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Yosemite looks terrible!
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Flashback to this time last year:
Now:
Absolutely.
The first prerelease of El Capitan was weeks ago, which makes the user interface of Yosemite ancient The sooner that people realise the outdated nature of Yosemite, the less painful it will be when those people have to see it alongside El Capitan.
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… referring to Yosemite as "dated", right?…
Absolutely.
The first prerelease of El Capitan was weeks ago, which makes the user interface of Yosemite ancient The sooner that people realise the outdated nature of Yosemite, the less painful it will be when those people have to see it alongside El Capitan.
As far as I can tell, the new "rootless" lock-down in El Capitan might have something to do with Apple trying to prevent MAC's being used to help jailbreak iPhones. It will probably make a lot of 3rd party apps break as well. Apple claims "rootless" a security feature but it sounds to me like Apple is getting too big for it's own good (and cocky) and is in danger of putting a serious dent in their MAC business. Perhaps recent reports teasing that Apple might kill off the MAC are not as far-fetched as they may seem. If they can make all the money they want with iPhones they won't have much incentive to keep the OS X going forward.
Not meaning to give you a hard time but "as far as you can tell?" Tell how? I'll guess you have perhaps read some stuff claiming it affects that in some way?
It is a security feature whether or not it may have other side effects impacting certain apps. It is wise for Apple to make OS X as secure as humanly possible. That is a good thing, not a bad one. It is good for their business to sell computers running a secure operating system and it is good for us as users to be using them as such. Everybody wins. Apple is not out to get us. They did not get where they are by deliberately making efforts to upset and alienate their customers despite what some comments seem to suggest.
Improving OS X by improving its security is good for their Mac business which is doing well in an economy where PC sales are otherwise stagnant or even declining depending on the vendor, etc. Presently, Apple is doing just fine selling Macs and while they are a smaller slice of the revenue pie, I think at what is it now, roughly 10% that is not a small amount of money. Also, it is important to remember the place of the Mac line within the entire Apple ecosystem. Macs aren't going anywhere despite some unfounded rumors to the contrary. It would make absolutely no sense at all for Apple to stop making Macintosh computers, none. It would be like deliberately throwing lots and lots of money right out the window.
There is an old saying, "You count the dollars and I'll count the pennies and we'll both get rich."
There is no such thing as a business making all the money they want. There is no limit to how much money a business could want to make, the more profit the better. I'm sure shareholders wholeheartedly agree.
It's one thing to be focused on security. It's another to take away admin access from the owner of the machine in the name of security. I am all for locking down iphones if jailbreaking is the issue. But much of the reason I use my MBP more than my iPad is because I can do more with it as an admin. I don't want my laptop turned into an ipad
I also agree that it would be a mistake to play down how important the MAC is to Apple. Windows 8/10 is what drove me back to Apple because I refused to surrender control of my machine to Microsoft. If Apple is heading in the same direction with El Capitan, as it appears they are, I will have to stay on Yosemite.
Perhaps Apple will re-think "rootless" on OS X and find a less heavy-handed way to increase security without locking out the owner of the machine.
Perhaps Apple will re-think "rootless" on OS X and find a less heavy-handed way to increase security without locking out the owner of the machine.
It can in the beta but it might not be possible in the final release. That's the part that worries me.
It can even in the final version. But in the final version you will have to restart from the recovery partition to disable it. If they left it possibile to disable it from a running system it would be useless as a protection.
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Folks, please try to keep things on topic. Most of what's above, on this page, is unrelated to the appearance of Yosemite.
http://tinyurl.com/mrf-jumplike-01 – please use the appropriate areas; don't misuse this already long topic.
Folks, please try to keep things on topic. Most of what's above, on this page, is unrelated to the appearance of Yosemite.
http://tinyurl.com/mrf-jumplike-01 – please use the appropriate areas; don't misuse this already long topic.
The official Apple method is to disable it through Recovery. I'm very certain this will remain possible after the final release.
The problem here is that with my RAID 0 configuration on my Mac Mini, I cannot have a recovery partition (well not without a lot of extra work, at least). That has not bothered me since I use Carbon Copy Cloner and it's a breeze to restore using it. But if El Capitain requires a recovery partition to disable rootless, I will likely have problems in my current configuration (perhaps I could install a recovery partition on the external backup drive since it's a single non-RAID setup).
I'm not sure what all I might need to disable rootless for, but after having read about it, I'm pretty certain XtraFinder will not function (It's what Finder SHOULD be but apparently never will be since Apple has NEVER cared about having a good Finder with plenty of options to make life easier for the user; they'd rather spend their time making garbage GUI changes) in El Capitain without disabling it since it modifies the Finder (root access required from what I've read). This seems to be what has finished off Flavours as well (it seems they could offer it for those willing to disable rootless, but apparently decided not enough people would be willing to do that and decided it's finished, much to the horror of those of us that cannot stand Johnny Ive's GUI changes in Yosemite onward (flat crayon kiddified look that is an utter embarrassment to the whole Apple community).
The disk utility in Yosemite is functional and I have gotten quite use to the look of it over the years. With permissions repair "no longer necessary" and other features limited under El Cap "rootless" dare I say it....I am loving the Yosemite look more every day.
As for Ive and the new fashion guru Ahrents running retail- well that pretty much tells you where Apple's head is going.
As for Ive and the new fashion guru Ahrents running retail- well that pretty much tells you where Apple's head is going.
Did a software update last night and low and behold, the iTunes icon went from OK looking to just plain BUTT UGLY!!
I guess the new brilliant designers are now going to start to force that bad joke I call "Yosemite Design" down our throats even on pre 10.10 OS X versions.
I guess the new brilliant designers are now going to start to force that bad joke I call "Yosemite Design" down our throats even on pre 10.10 OS X versions.
I have to partly agree with you on the iTunes icon, it doesn't match well at all. Here's a comparison with the two icons next to it on the default dock:
Luckily, app icons aren't hard to change back, and I'll be doing that after I update iTunes on my main Mac.
The overspill of butt ugliness began months ago. For me it was November 2014:
"… cack-handed lobotomy …"
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For others the butt ugliness became noticeable in 2015:
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I'm going to hold off El Cap for as long as poss... so I can hang on to flavours... I've only just moved from Snow Leopard.
When you do so successfully can you post a mini-tutorial for those of us (me) who don't know how to do it?
What worries me is that they found a way to make the iTunes icon EVEN uglier. Suddenly I really appreciate the red one. "Yosemite looks terrible" – but there are ways to make it look worse!
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Yosemite and El capital look pretty much identical. Mavericks on the other hand looked like OS X has basically since the beginning. People that get El capital surely don't say Yosemite looks outdated. Same as iOS 7 and 8 and now 9, they have the same design language. What are you trying to say ?
You simply copy the old iTunes.icns to iTunes.app/Contents/Resources and touch iTunes.app in Terminal to refresh the icon cache. You'll need to be an admin to do this, and it'll ask for your password.
The icon by itself isn't too bad, it just doesn't fit in with anything else on OS X. The red one is more vibrant and has the same style as the other icons.
Well, I seemed to have missed a few things in the three weeks of my absence. Let me make a quick list:
I strongly suggest you OS X lovers give Windows a second chance, especially Windows 10. It is really powerful, clean, and many workflows have changed, for the better.
- Firstly, someone mentioned 'rootless' mode. Apple will literally kill off OS X's history of being rooted (pun not intended) in UNIX without sudo. Being able to modify literally anything and everything in the operating system while it is operating, save the kernel, vital kernel extensions and dynamic link libraries is one of the hallmarks of desktop OSes in general. This technically means that hackintoshes may not be able to run, since we frequently fiddle with the / directory, as well as /System/Library/Extensions.
- Next, someone also mentioned the new Disk Utility. To whomever wanting to do some serious disk management and repair, I tell you this - pass over OS X's Disk Utility and use GParted in Linux instead, as well as TestDisk for data recovery. The old OS X Disk Utility from Mavericks was perfectly functional and had a simple enough UI - Apple seems to like to break everything that works.
- Then, there's that horrible iTunes icon. Probably to support the fact that Tim Cook is gay. Before you raise your pitchforks and your torches, I am not homophobic, but I get highly irritated when I see rainbows plastered over anything other than the sky. I see enough of it in Facebook. I don't need to see more in an operating system.
- El Cap is, in general, a refinement of Yosemite, in the way that the sludge in a sewage treatment plant is concentrated and highly toxic. Wellz that may be an exaggeration but honestly, Apple seems to have just gone further down the drain of anti-skeuomorphism and such.
- Metal is a joke. I would rather Apple implement Vulkan drivers and libraries. The very fact that Apple advertised Epic Games and its childish shooter at WWDC made me facepalm. It would have been truly epic if Apple had gotten CD Projekt RED to showcase The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, but noooo... You have to choose a dumb Splatoon-style shooter. Even a more serious game like The Room Three (you guys should try out its prequels, The Room and The Room Two) would have done nicely. A few game developers I have met say that Apple is very new to the graphics library race, and they say DirectX 12 and even Vulkan exceeds Metal's capability significantly, and it would take the latter several years to catch up.
- The new San Francisco font is okay, but still not as good a UI font as Lucida Grande was.
I strongly suggest you OS X lovers give Windows a second chance, especially Windows 10. It is really powerful, clean, and many workflows have changed, for the better.
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