... all six of which are, with respect, off topic. Please consider moving your six points about El Capitan to the El Capitan area.
Again, please, respect the title: Yosemite looks terrible!
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Yosemite looks terrible!
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... all six of which are, with respect, off topic. Please consider moving your six points about El Capitan to the El Capitan area.
Again, please, respect the title: Yosemite looks terrible!
10.11 actually has some subtle differences which bring some of the skeuomorphism back. For instance, toolbar buttons have a slight gradient and larger shadow. There have been comparisons posted in the 10.11 all the little things thread.
We knew from the first Yosemite betas that this UI design would stick around for a while, I don't know if that was a surprise to anyone. Sadly, the Aqua charm is now gone from OS X, but the OS has taken a modern, Retina-aware direction.
Perhaps you should start an "El Capitan is Terrible" thread in the 10.11 forum?
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… Perhaps you should start an "El Capitan is Terrible" thread in the 10.11 forum?
Please see earlier, https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/21428830
That Windows 10 trash can sure is ugly, reminds me of the one in Windows 95... I'll take the Yosemite icons thanks.P.S. The latest Windows 10 build (10130) with new icons looks excellent, with a great combination of class and a look back to the old icon set:
The top row is Windows Vista/7/8/8.1, the middle row is the set of icons introduced in build 10074, and the last row is the most recent set of icons, as of build 10130. Although I like the top row the best, the last row looks clean, modern, consistent yet different enough (that isometric projection for all the icons is great), skeuomorphic and yet nice to look at. Apple should aim for this, not bright, cyan colours that burn retinas. I like the grainy dull blue folder icons used from Leopard to Mavericks. Why'd they change it and ruin it?
Honestly, would you rather see this thread get moved to the OS X forum because it no longer applies to a specific version of the OS?Please see earlier, https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/21428830
Fervour and other words
Apple assured the public that Yosemite was to be completely Mac and so, it should have been not too dissimilar from Mavericks.
If there's something inherently bad, or wrong, about the nature of things at their beginnings, then people should:
@crashoverride77 in a nutshell you were amongst the first people in this topic to describe Mavericks as outdated, and you found Mavericks painful more than two weeks before the Yosemite public beta began. Even earlier, 6th July 2014:
It's fine to use emotive language such as painful (to describe an operating system that's hugely respected) and dinosaurs (to describe people like me) – I, too, use emotive language sometimes – but your instant judgement on Mavericks compared to Yosemite – pretty much before Yosemite was in the hands of developers – was very memorable. So when someone light-heartedly suggests that Yosemite appears outdated by El Capitan, months before the release of El Capitan, I recall some of the most fervoured comments from a year or so ago.
Joking aside, sincerely: @crashoverride77, I didn't doubt (did respect) your very early optimism about the prerelease. I, too, am optimistic by nature. I was a defender, often a fervoured defender, of most things Apple-related – before Yosemite.
More generally
Of all the people who expressed years of dissatisfaction with the appearances of OS X 10.9 and less, but did not make that expression until after 10.10 was previewed:
Progress
That something is new does not necessarily mean that the thing is more modern, or better …
Apple assured the public that Yosemite was to be completely Mac and so, it should have been not too dissimilar from Mavericks.
If there's something inherently bad, or wrong, about the nature of things at their beginnings, then people should:
- consider the beginning that was Yosemite (Apple assured the public that it was completely new)
- recognise that there's both good and bad, right and wrong, in both Yosemite and El Capitan.
@crashoverride77 in a nutshell you were amongst the first people in this topic to describe Mavericks as outdated, and you found Mavericks painful more than two weeks before the Yosemite public beta began. Even earlier, 6th July 2014:
It's fine to use emotive language such as painful (to describe an operating system that's hugely respected) and dinosaurs (to describe people like me) – I, too, use emotive language sometimes – but your instant judgement on Mavericks compared to Yosemite – pretty much before Yosemite was in the hands of developers
– was very memorable. So when someone light-heartedly suggests that Yosemite appears outdated by El Capitan, months before the release of El Capitan, I recall some of the most fervoured comments from a year or so ago.Joking aside, sincerely: @crashoverride77, I didn't doubt (did respect) your very early optimism about the prerelease. I, too, am optimistic by nature. I was a defender, often a fervoured defender, of most things Apple-related – before Yosemite.
More generally
Of all the people who expressed years of dissatisfaction with the appearances of OS X 10.9 and less, but did not make that expression until after 10.10 was previewed:
- I believe that the vast majority of individuals will be unable to present proof of that dissatisfaction throughout those years.
Progress
That something is new does not necessarily mean that the thing is more modern, or better …
Well, this could certainly be a reason. That is, if it's even possible for someone to express years of dissatisfaction before making the expression
10.0-10.6.8 on the left, iOS-ified 10.7+ (several versions before Yosemite) on the right. It shows that OS X was headed toward flat long before Yosemite.
… before making the expression
I used the word 'after' (not 'before'). Either way, I can see the potential for confusion, so …
Metaphorically
If regular digestion of cheddar satisfies my appetite for cheese, from now until 2025, then I should not expect to be taken seriously as a sixty-year-old (in 2025) if my first ever nibble of a different cheese results in instant proclamation that cheddar didn't suit my taste.
A person can like more than one type of cheese.
Realistically
At some point the design direction veered way off, towards an ill-fitting one-size-fits-all approach. I find it very hard to imagine that whoever drove that bulldozer had the full support of the developers who were directed to attempt implementation of that strange thing.
The end result was a mash that lacks the required flexibility.
The more I use PC-BSD (I'm using it now, I had completely forgotten that the Mac was set aside), the more I realise the inflexibility of Apple mash.
That wasn't as easy as I thought (Firewall/Keychain Access/Certificate problems to get rid of this error...)
...but while working on that I discovered SuperFlat Yosemite STILL has skeuomorphic icons:
Well I sure hope this error is repaired in El Capitan!!!!!!!! /sarcasm
Anyway, thanks! I thought the red icon was ugly until I saw the "cyan goes so well with salmon pink" one. There's still potential for the "El Capitan looks terrible!" thread to reach 130 pages.
I really miss the aqua scrollies with the ribble effect.
Me too. I thought OS X looked so cool in the past, so pleasing, such a nice environment to work in and with. Our systems can so easily display a more attractive UI and I don't buy the idea of it distracting people from getting work done. People are more productive in an environment they enjoy spending time in. I think that last bit is completely ignored when one argues for a plain, flat and boring interface.
It's funny (to me) though that they introduce a colorful icon for iTunes and in comments here people hate that too. My first reaction was, "Oh, nice! I like that so much better than the plain one before." I guess there is just no pleasing the bunch of us is there?
A pity.
Not quite. Pre-Leopard was HEAVILY white/pin-striped with "gel caps" everywhere. It was pretty radical looking for its day and frankly looks night and day more interesting than Yosemite, IMO. It was a bit overboard with the gel cap, thing, though and I can see where it needed a bit of refinement over time, but Mavericks was pretty much the limit. At least it kept the iconic gel cap window buttons. Yosemite said "Frack this, let's do flat 2-color buttons instead.
Leopard was heavily brush-metaled and post Leopard was "clean" but with the 3D look. Yosemite turned that into "Flat World". Well, Flat World with grandma pastels, kids' crayons and egg shells and hard to read text. How that's supposed to be an improvement, I'll never know. Windows7 looked GOOD (For Windows anyway) with a good use for transparency and slick looking Windows (Aero). Windows8 looked like some kids puzzle cut-out book with that start-up block thing. I haven't seen Windows 10, but given Microsoft plans to FORCE their updates on you (no choice what-so-ever for anyone but ENTERPRISE users), I'd just assume stay away from it. I hear it's nicknamed "Comrade" for obvious reasons.
But you know Apple follows the leader these days in everything they do except butt ugly GUIs (for that they looked back to Windows 3.1) so give them a couple more versions and they'll force their updates on you as well.
It's been horrible for some time now, but then so is the newer iTunes (I'm still using 11.4 because I can't stand the newer versions). As for Mr. Cook being gay, I always though gay people were supposed to be fashion geniuses or something (queer eye for the straight guy kind of thing), but I'm guessing that's just a myth (beyond perhaps a higher percentage being in the fashion business) because this OS got UGLY real fast. But then it's Johnny Ive that was behind Kindergarten OSX, not Tim Cook. You would think Tim would at least complain (he is in charge, after all), but I gather his interest in OSX is minimal these days given his comment that he pretty much just uses iPads and iPhones now and rarely ever even touches a Mac. So I place most of the blame on Johnny Ive. Somehow, I seriously doubt Steve Jobs would have approved this flat look. He was downright giddy about the old gel cap buttons when OSX first came out. He said something like they spent months on those alone. Taking that and using a FLAT 2-color FILL that a 5-year old could manage in Photoshop just seems well...uninspired to me. Should OSX shoot for dismal outdated coloring book look or something high tech? The Apple stores even were about clear crystal glass looks and matched the gel cap OS pretty well. Are the new store makeovers going to look like LEGO Land or the Crayola Fun Factory??? Sadly, I think they will if Johnny gets his way.
I got a used MacBook Air in the mail a few days ago that I purchased. I did an internet restore and then updated to Yosemite (so I can run Xcode 6.4). The version of OS X internet restore went to was OS X 10.7 Lion. I just sat there and stared at it. What a nice and friendly OS. I even used it for a bit and actually enjoyed just looking at it. Then I needed to run Xcode and Yosemite came. I rest my case.
I rest my case.
Icons of iTunes on multiple platforms
[QUOTE="navaira, post: 21544793, member: 964697”]… thought the red icon was ugly until …[/QUOTE]
More detailed discussion, including a link to smart analysis by a respected critic/designer:
[QUOTE="navaira, post: 21544793, member: 964697”]… thought the red icon was ugly until …[/QUOTE]
More detailed discussion, including a link to smart analysis by a respected critic/designer:
Apple Flat World
[QUOTE="MagnusVonMagnum, post: 21545228, member: 110964”]… Yosemite turned that into "Flat World”.…[/QUOTE]
I rarely mention the flatness, but last night I booted Yosemite – primarily to see how Feedback Assistant might appear following restoration by Apple of a traditional title bar. Fell asleep. This morning I used Yosemite for a couple of hours.
With a well-defined third party app such as OmniWeb in front, I’m fine.
With an ill-defined app such as Safari in front, having any other Yosemite-like app visible in the background was disorienting. Too often it was necessary to look away from content, to an extremity of the screen, to gain orientation.
As I currently have app icons to the left whilst happily using PC-BSD, so I moved my Apple Dock to the left of Yosemite. Still no better.
The more Yosemite-like apps are on screen, the flatter things appear. A weird paradox.
Yeah, it’s Apple Flat World. Thumbs down. Acceptable to me only if I use apps from developers who have the courage to show depth, but that’s not the progress that I want from Apple. From the 'Re:designed …’ article (linked from the iTunes topic), and this deserves a big call out:
Intriguing, but that should have been tested long before the release of Yosemite.
[QUOTE="MagnusVonMagnum, post: 21545228, member: 110964”]… Yosemite turned that into "Flat World”.…[/QUOTE]
I rarely mention the flatness, but last night I booted Yosemite – primarily to see how Feedback Assistant might appear following restoration by Apple of a traditional title bar. Fell asleep. This morning I used Yosemite for a couple of hours.
With a well-defined third party app such as OmniWeb in front, I’m fine.
With an ill-defined app such as Safari in front, having any other Yosemite-like app visible in the background was disorienting. Too often it was necessary to look away from content, to an extremity of the screen, to gain orientation.
As I currently have app icons to the left whilst happily using PC-BSD, so I moved my Apple Dock to the left of Yosemite. Still no better.
The more Yosemite-like apps are on screen, the flatter things appear. A weird paradox.
Yeah, it’s Apple Flat World. Thumbs down. Acceptable to me only if I use apps from developers who have the courage to show depth, but that’s not the progress that I want from Apple. From the 'Re:designed …’ article (linked from the iTunes topic), and this deserves a big call out:
"… Intriguing: Apple is testing the addition of surface depth …"
Intriguing, but that should have been tested long before the release of Yosemite.
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