Yosemite looks terrible!

[joedec]

The human race sucks so much. Always extremes in both directions.
No one wants the glossy days from the early 2000s back, and even if it's his or her design taste.
But the design of Mavericks is polished and nice looking. It is clean and minimalistic with some small exceptions.
Yosemite has it's advantages too. I really like the frosted glass look I really want this paired with some stuff from Mavericks.

What I don't like is Jony Ive's color choices. But I know, just this statement defines me as a creature that's stuck in the past... I am right?

The icon color choices are simplistic, bright, and very few. Maybe that's Apple trying to look younger, I also think its a little childish. The hardware being silver, black and a splash of white is really clean, also simplistic, but works for me.

I think about it like this, hardware is a frame for your software, it shouldn't be loud in any way or it detracts from the subject. Jony Ive and the current design team seems to be trying to make them both look that same.

There are those who by a picture frame then look for something to put in it, and there are those who buy art and then frame it. I prefer the latter, sounds like you do too.

 

[leman]

What I don't like is Jony Ive's color choices. But I know, just this statement defines me as a creature that's stuck in the past... I am right?

I agree. The icon design is not systematic. They are using at least three or four different design ideologies and it shows.

Icons aside, the basic UI is actually very close to Maverick's color scheme. Its black, white and different shades of grey.

 

[grahamperrin]

I was reacting to the overreaction. … the rage quit speech in forums, I cannot help but roll my eyes. …

Six words were shouted, less than two percent of the post. Not particularly raging.

Maybe read some of his other posts to see whether shouting is habitual. I can't see that it is.

Sarcasm (rolling of the eyes) neither addresses the opening poster's problem nor answers their question.

 

[DesterWallaboo]

Six words were shouted, less than 0.02 percent. Not particularly raging.

Maybe read some of his other posts to see whether shouting is habitual. I can't see that it is.

Sarcasm (rolling of the eyes) neither addresses the opening poster's problem nor answers their question.

Quitting over GUI aesthetics seems pretty silly to me. I was never a fan of the candy look in the early versions of OS X. But it didn't keep me from using the OS.

 

[lparsons21]

Quitting over GUI aesthetics seems pretty silly to me I was never a fan of the candy look in the early versions of OS X. But it didn't keep me from using the OS.

I would agree if the GUI aesthetics were not so bad that reading a non-retina screen wasn't difficult to the point of a headache after a bit of using it. To me the font choices and the pale pastel colorings and shadings are painful to view. Call it old age (I'm 70) or old/bad eyes, but that's the way it is.



These days other than iTunes and the AppleTV, anything I do can be done on Windows or OSX just as easily.

 

[n-evo]

I would agree if the GUI aesthetics were not so bad that reading a non-retina screen wasn't difficult to the point of a headache after a bit of using it. To me the font choices and the pale pastel colorings and shadings are painful to view. Call it old age (I'm 70) or old/bad eyes, but that's the way it is.

I've been running OS X Yosemite as my primary (and only) operating system on my 27-inch iMac ever since the Public Beta was released. I've yet to experience any headaches.

Guess I'm really lucky!

 

[lparsons21]

I almost like Yosemite on my 13" MBPr, it really does look so much different than it does on my external monitor. But I use it as a desktop replacement hooked to that monitor almost all the time. And there's the rub!!

 

[Lankyman]

Maybe next time put on your glasses and you won't confuse a random hobo for your gorgeous date

Well although Miss Mavericks is no stunner she is head and shoulders above plain Jane Yosemite. Even Miss Microsoft is beginning to look interesting and I might be spending more time exploring her charms courtesy of Parallels.

I think Yosemite will turn out to be a real Marmite OS. I suspect our American cousins may have to Google that reference but it will I think prove to be very apt.

 

[joedec]

I almost like Yosemite on my 13" MBPr, it really does look so much different than it does on my external monitor. But I use it as a desktop replacement hooked to that monitor almost all the time. And there's the rub!!

My bet is they are measuring the boiling point, so to speak, with this beta, Apple made significant corrections after the release of iOS7 for readability. I doubt they want to do it that way again.

I'd bet they enhance the fonts prior to release, there are too many complaints about readability to ignore.

People really need to file Bug Reports and/or Feedback, that's what this is really all about.

 

[grahamperrin]

Quitting over GUI aesthetics …

He also mentions dissatisfaction with management and product design.

I can't recall the difference in looks between developer previews 1 and 2 but I was utterly gobsmacked by the ugliness of the first. Literally, my jaw dropped, and I don't know how many times I have shaken my head in disbelief since then, but nothing in Apple's past had such a ghastly effect on me.

Gobsmacked, puzzled, flabbergasted and ultimately: exasperated. WTF was Apple thinking for the first four previews?

WTF, WTF was Apple thinking for the fifth?

I was flabbergasted by Apple's apparent lack of forethought, and occasionally genuinely enraged by the insanity of Yosemite but I gave it time, I gave feedback for maybe six weeks before making the decisions to gradually abandon OS X and quit the feedback routine for Yosemite and so on.

 

[joedec]

He also mentions dissatisfaction with management and product design.

I can't recall the difference in looks between developer previews 1 and 2 but I was utterly gobsmacked by the ugliness of the first. Literally, my jaw dropped, and I don't know how many times I have shaken my head in disbelief since then, but nothing in Apple's past had such a ghastly effect on me.

Gobsmacked, puzzled, flabbergasted and ultimately: exasperated. WTF was Apple thinking for the first four previews?

WTF, WTF was Apple thinking for the fifth?

I was flabbergasted by Apple's apparent lack of forethought, and occasionally genuinely enraged by the insanity of Yosemite but I gave it time, I gave feedback for maybe six weeks before making the decisions to gradually abandon OS X and quit the feedback routine for Yosemite and so on.

Trust me I'm on your side, but what's the alternative? I've looked at Gnome, Xubuntu, KDE, Linux Mint. They look OK, actually Linux Mint (Cinnamon) is pretty nice.

Problem I have is the applications I use are only supported on Windows and Mac, and I love being on a UNIX machine so the Mac is the only real choice.

I think that's why there's so much passion around these arguments, no one wants to give up the platform.

 

[leman]

Well although Miss Mavericks is no stunner she is head and shoulders above plain Jane Yosemite. Even Miss Microsoft is beginning to look interesting and I might be spending more time exploring her charms courtesy of Parallels.

I think Yosemite will turn out to be a real Marmite OS. I suspect our American cousins may have to Google that reference but it will I think prove to be very apt.

I would be the last person to argue about tastes. As far as mine are considered, I prefer slender, elegant and sophisticated ladies, so Yosemite is right up my valley.

P.S. I didn't know what Marmite is. The nutritional values seem quite reasonable. I probably wouldn't eat it though

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

The problem is that you seem to be posting YOUR opinion as fact and then arguing with people that disagree.

If you'd give an example, perhaps I could see what you're talking about. It's not hard to tell facts from opinions, after all.

Exactly, that's one of the problems, also, I never understood people that hate something so much and go to forums and just trash talk all day long.

So giving a negative opinion of something is "trash talk"? Do we live in a world of rainbows and butterflies where everything is gay and fancy free? I honestly don't see how discussing the merits and demerits of something is "Trash talk".

A BETTER question is why are people like you reading a thread entitled "Yosemite looks terrible!" if you don't want to read negative posts??? I mean what did you expect in this thread? Positive glowing reviews of Yosemite. Go to the "Yosemite is beautiful" thread if you want that. Let's face it. If we all agreed on everything, there would be NO PURPOSE to even having a "Discussion" forum.

If I don't like something I just don't talk about it and I move on, the best way of making your point is by not buying what you don't like, money talks.

You don't like these posts, but you aren't keeping quiet and moving on. You joined into a discussion in a thread about Yosemite being ugly and then you act all surprised that people don't like the look of Yosemite.

And on different news, Apple stock just passed $100 dlls, close to an all time high, they must be doing something right.

Ah, the "Apple makes money so they are always right" hypothesis (easily defeated by simply pointing out that Microsoft too makes money and so they must always be right as well and given most Apple fans despise M$ products, well...). It's an illogical A+B <> D type argument, but it's an absolute favorite among the fanatical crowd on here along with "Go buy a Windows machine if yo don't like it!" Neither argument has any merit or point, but they get used again and again because the people using them are having an emotional reaction rather than a logical one. Someone has insulted your favorite Brand/Product/Person/Whatever and you take personal offense to them not liking something you just love. Or at least that's the gist of most of those types of arguments even if the person doesn't realize it.

 

[grahamperrin]

… difficult to the point of a headache … To me the font choices and the pale pastel colorings and shadings are painful to view. Call it old age …or old/bad eyes …

Neither old age nor bad eyes are responsible for those reactions. My reactions were the same.

My bet is they are measuring the boiling point, so to speak, with this beta …

Cack-handed lobotomy by the company. Apple is wielding a cleaver at and around the essence of a highly evolved human interface to a complex system. Timeless principles in bloody tatters.​

– none of the arguments in this forum have changed those beliefs. I share joedec's belief. I also suspect that there's private testing of how potential switchers react to Yosemite on third party desktop and notebook computers that were not designed for OS X.

The trouble: Apple's is a destructive approach to measurement. Some lousy precedents have been set.

I do accept and respect that some people will like a thing primarily because that thing is new; that some people might hate what's current primarily because work has begun on something that will be new; and so on. And if Apple wishes to produce an operating system and/or human interface for those audiences, that's fine.

It's not fine for OS X to be cleaved so badly that the requirements of a different audience, an audience that includes loyal customers, are no longer met.

Apple can go ahead – as it will – with a new operating system that meets the requirements of new and possibly transient audiences; with a new operating system that might sometimes need to be renewed, re-cleaved, forked for the sake of pleasure through newness – but for Apple to present Yosemite as an upgrade to OS X is quite pretentious. It has the hallmarks of a forked appearance.

Yosemite is, to me, precisely the type of thing that does not work, never has worked for someone else: a theme that leads to visual inconsistency and ugly software.

 

[TechGod]

I quoted the following, an affirmative answer from you to a question that was for someone else:



You can what?

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Or maybe just a quit.

I can say I like it over Mavericks. How is that difficult to comprehend?

 

[grahamperrin]

A+B <> D type …

Accidental genius! That's it. That's the codename for Apple's secret development of an operating system that might replace installations of Windows on non-Apple hardware.

ABODOS. An ABODOS partition alongside a Windows partition. Or just single-boot ABODOS as the host with integrated support for installation of guest operating systems such as OS X and/or Windows.

Trust me I'm on your side, but what's the alternative? …

For me the likeliest approach will be a new MacBook Pro before Yosemite is released, then run Mavericks for as long as is necessary whilst following (and sometimes contributing to) the improvement of non-Apple operating systems.

Initial tinkering with Ubuntu to satisfy a person who will switch from OS X – awaiting answers/discussion.

For its ZFS out-of-the-box, I'm more interested in PC-BSD.

 

[SanJacinto]

There are those who by a picture frame then look for something to put in it, and there are those who buy art and then frame it. I prefer the latter, sounds like you do too.

I agree. The icon design is not systematic. They are using at least three or four different design ideologies and it shows.

Icons aside, the basic UI is actually very close to Maverick's color scheme. Its black, white and different shades of grey.

@joedec: Great response. You are totally right. But I am a patient. OS X is still state of the art. There is no serious alternativ. And you are also right regarding art. I had to safe 2 years for my MacBook Pro, therefore this machine is still something special to me, also I am working around 10h each day on my MBP.
I fell in love with the 3D traffic lights and expose. Those two things were enough for me (there was more, but it was only necessary secondarily)
I think Jony is trying out some stuff and that is ok. Those guys gave us so much in the last decade - even if they will do some mistakes, we should trust them.

@leman: It's not just the icon design. https://bold.pixelapse.com/minming/mac-os-x-yosemite-under-the-magnifying-glass
But I think it emphasises what you wrote and what I think. Apple is tweaking around to reach a great solution in the end.

 

[grahamperrin]

… How is that difficult to comprehend?

Sorry. I was confused. The "Yes…" answer to a "What…" question, the answer not coming from the expected person, the forum software not quoting things as expected, and so on.

 

[TechGod]

Sorry. I was confused. The "Yes…" answer to a "What…" question, the answer not coming from the expected person, the forum software not quoting things as expected, and so on.

Yeah I was very confused when you posted a link to a post not made by me.

 

[grahamperrin]

Yeah I was very confused when you posted a link to a post not made by me.

Please, give us the link to the post that confused you, I'll correct it so that other people can avoid the same confusion and so that we can get back on topic.

 

[Lankyman]

P.S. I didn't know what Marmite is. The nutritional values seem quite reasonable. I probably wouldn't eat it though

If you say to anyone in the UK it's a bit like Marmite they instantly know what you mean. Marmite is substance that you either love or hate - there genuinely is no middle ground. Hence why I likened Yosemite to Marmite.

 

[TechGod]

Please, give us the link to the post that confused you, I'll correct it so that other people can avoid the same confusion and so that we can get back on topic.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19502032/

This post seems to quote me but the link in it is not a post I made.

 

[grahamperrin]

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19502032/… the link in it is not a post I made.

My apologies.

Honestly, I had followed – repeatedly – the first of the two links in the message area of that post (743), wondering whether your post 740 contributed to the confusions. Through no fault of your own, the quoted texts in 740 are omissive; levels 1 and 3 are visible, the level 2 quotation is invisible.

 

[leman]

Cack-handed lobotomy by the company. Apple is wielding a cleaver at and around the essence of a highly evolved human interface to a complex system. Timeless principles in bloody tatters.

Well, so far your criticism of Yosemite kind of boils down to 'Safari does not have title bars', plus poetic metaphors. I have quite extensively written about the Apple design principles and how they apply to Yosemite. Of course, you don't have to accept my analysis, but I think its a little bit hasty to declare that the principles have been violated based on your personal dislike to how title bars (an optional feature of OS X from the start!) have been implemented in few applications.

If you say to anyone in the UK it's a bit like Marmite they instantly know what you mean. Marmite is substance that you either love or hate - there genuinely is no middle ground. Hence why I likened Yosemite to Marmite.

I believe on can claim this about most things. Subjective tastes aside, I am confident that aspects such as consistency, usability and adaptability can be discussed in a fairly objective fashion.

 

[grahamperrin]

… kind of boils down to 'Safari does not have title bars' …

Any thoughts on how your human saddatic eye movements might differ from mine?