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Yosemite looks terrible!
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This crybaby thread is still going?
xmichaelp: if your sole intention is to disrupt the topic and belittle people, I'll ignore you and report your post.
Please either ignore the topic, or add something constructive.
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No I'm using Apple RGB but you can use the one that looks best on your monitor. Maybe thats why dual monitors always looked so bad at work.
With Beta 4 (which I would imagine is the same as gm version) it feels like they tweaked visuals a lot and while I never took issue with the appearance it looks a lot better now. Especially dark mode. Tbh choice has never been a big Apple thing. You get the experience they give you. Want theming? Choose Linux. There's no better option for customization and it's one thing I love most about Linux. It's so highly customisable and you can really make it your own. That being said, I knew what I was letting myself in for when I bought into the Apple experience and I'm still happy. Not every choice they make I'm totally happy with but it's impossible to please everyone and I still think they're doing OK. I miss Leopard's 3d dock myself but already getting used to the 2d style. The main thing is the content and that's still fine.
It's all about opinions. The opinions of the people that made the Yosemite changes and the opinions of the users.
Every time I look at Yosemite all I can think to myself is "God, does this ever look stupid." Childish, really.
However, it's a Unix environment from which I came, and it's a Unix environment to which I'll return (without getting into semantics, I consider Linux a Unix environment).
I suppose another option not mentioned might be to ignore Apple's User interface all together and just run an X Windows deskop on the system, at least until it's time to get new hardware or upgrade.
Another option might be "theming" which I know very little about. What I would want would be to replace the crayon like red, green, and yellow buttons in the upper left of the window with those of any previous version of OS X. I would want to get rid of the translucency it the window frame, especially the top frame portion in Safari. I would want to replace the flat buttons with buttons from most likely Snow Leopard, and then replace all icons with anything from any other OS X release.
About the only thing I would know how to do from that list above is replace the icons.
Every time I look at Yosemite all I can think to myself is "God, does this ever look stupid." Childish, really.
However, it's a Unix environment from which I came, and it's a Unix environment to which I'll return (without getting into semantics, I consider Linux a Unix environment).
I suppose another option not mentioned might be to ignore Apple's User interface all together and just run an X Windows deskop on the system, at least until it's time to get new hardware or upgrade.
Another option might be "theming" which I know very little about. What I would want would be to replace the crayon like red, green, and yellow buttons in the upper left of the window with those of any previous version of OS X. I would want to get rid of the translucency it the window frame, especially the top frame portion in Safari. I would want to replace the flat buttons with buttons from most likely Snow Leopard, and then replace all icons with anything from any other OS X release.
About the only thing I would know how to do from that list above is replace the icons.
OS X is UNIX (even though we need tools like Homebrew to make it complete). Despite the configurability of Linux Desktops, if there was one just like Yosemite including all the interactions and animations and relative lack of options, I'd probably still choose it even though I have similar issues as you with Yosemite. It would look very smooth and well polished compared to the others. Since with Yosemite, Apple is adopting the Maximize button behavior like MS Windows (hiding the intelligence of Zoom), why not have a Classic theme too.
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I hope you don't mind me asking a question - somewhat related to this thread topic:
Does anyone know if it will still be possible to download and upgrade to Mavericks once they release Yosemite? I am really disgusted with the look of the latter. I need a little time to backup and check to see if my audio apps are compatible with Mavericks before I upgrade (from ML). I understand the release date is likely to be Oct 16th which is approaching fast.
Unless the look of future releases improves vastly I am probably going to stay on the last good version that doesn't make me feel like I what to rip my eyeballs from their sockets and ram them up JI's behind! Therefore I want to stay as current as possible with Apple's last visually appealing OS which is Mavericks.
(I'm still on iOS 6 due to JI's poor UI design decisions)
Does anyone know if it will still be possible to download and upgrade to Mavericks once they release Yosemite? I am really disgusted with the look of the latter. I need a little time to backup and check to see if my audio apps are compatible with Mavericks before I upgrade (from ML). I understand the release date is likely to be Oct 16th which is approaching fast.
Unless the look of future releases improves vastly I am probably going to stay on the last good version that doesn't make me feel like I what to rip my eyeballs from their sockets and ram them up JI's behind! Therefore I want to stay as current as possible with Apple's last visually appealing OS which is Mavericks.
(I'm still on iOS 6 due to JI's poor UI design decisions)
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I would download Mavericks now so that you have the opportunity to download it in future, even if you do not need it right now.
Once Yosemite goes live, if you have not already downloaded Mavericks and registered it as a 'purchase' against your Apple account it might not be available to download from the App Store since any Mac capable of running Mavericks is also capable of running Yosemite.
Apple has a habit of persuading its users to move onto The Best OSX Ever at every release.
Once Yosemite goes live, if you have not already downloaded Mavericks and registered it as a 'purchase' against your Apple account it might not be available to download from the App Store since any Mac capable of running Mavericks is also capable of running Yosemite.
Apple has a habit of persuading its users to move onto The Best OSX Ever at every release.
People either love, hate or don't care either way about Yosemite. However, anyone who thinks Windows looks better of late wants their head examining. Things change, you ain't always gonna like it. It wouldn't make sense for Apple to regress and tbh with the gradual toning down of Aqua they seemed to be heading in this direction for a long time. I don't exactly love the look of Yosemite but it's had time to grow on me with the beta. I think people just need to look past the UI changes and appreciate it for what else it brings. I probably sound like a broken record at this point but my opinion doesn't and won't change. Yosemite doesn't look terrible. I've seen far worse.
I just have to say that I think the design for windows and osx is going backwards. Soon we'll see the original mac design or someone will come up with the 1D task bar design and actually try to sell it. Windows already looks like hell. Windows applications fall into how my chrome bookmarks work...scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, click.
Agree with this in part. OSX perfected it's UI with Snow Leopard so really the only way to go was down. Windows I'm in a different mind about. On one hand they perfected their traditional UI with 7 but they've looked the same for so long they needed an overhaul. They got it more or less right with 8.1 but 10 is just a mess. Thank god you can still choose to have the start screen and have it behave like 8.1.
Linux, of course, doesn't suffer any of these problems as it is customisable beyond belief and always moving forwards.
Its true, Snow Leopard was the pinnacle of the design of the 'old' Aqua. Hoverer, I don't really understand why 'the only way to go was down'. Once you do something well, you either leave it, or you try to do something different equally well. I do not know why Apple decided to refresh their interface, but they did, and in that sense Yosemite represents a new Aqua version. It's vision and basic design differs from the Aqua as seen in SL, but I don't see it as better or worth its just different. Aesthetically, the new Aqua appeals more to me than the old one, but that is just a personal taste. And while Yosemite's implementation of the new Aqua might not be as polished and refined as the Snow Leopard's implementation of the old Aqua, I am sure that Apple will continue to improve on the rough edges.
The problem with Linux is that it moves in multiple directions at the same time, which often results in zero
Lack of central UI and usability authority is precisely the reason behind Linux low adoption as a desktop system.
Then I guess that's another 8 to 10 years before they are able to refine and polish the so-called new "Aqua" to SL level...
It's not Aqua. Calling it the "new aqua" is completely ridiculous. They were slowly moving away from Aqua anyway. They will never get better than Aqua at its best but I don't hate the new look either. Change needed to come eventually. They couldnt remain stagnant forever otherwise people would complain about the lack of change.Its true, Snow Leopard was the pinnacle of the design of the 'old' Aqua. Hoverer, I don't really understand why 'the only way to go was down'. Once you do something well, you either leave it, or you try to do something different equally well. I do not know why Apple decided to refresh their interface, but they did, and in that sense Yosemite represents a new Aqua version. It's vision and basic design differs from the Aqua as seen in SL, but I don't see it as better or worth its just different. Aesthetically, the new Aqua appeals more to me than the old one, but that is just a personal taste. And while Yosemite's implementation of the new Aqua might not be as polished and refined as the Snow Leopard's implementation of the old Aqua, I am sure that Apple will continue to improve on the rough edges.
The problem with Linux is that it moves in multiple directions at the same time, which often results in zero
As for Linux, you are both right and wrong. The many distros which make it hard for a new, inexperienced user to switch and adapt but the whole central UI thing is what causes so many people to complain. You can't please everyone. With GNU/Linux you make your own UI essentially. Therefore I was still correct in my statement that it doesn't suffer the same problem as Windows and OSX.
If Apple considers it Aqua, I think its a good choice to call it Aqua. For me, its quite easy to see that Yosemite goes back to the root of the Aqua interface.
I never heard them call it Aqua. In fact I specifically heard them say in the past that they were moving away from Aqua. The new UI is nothing like the "roots of Aqua" the only things that are similar are some of the colours. Aqua was far more than just colours. This is a whole new UI.
In fact, to call it Aqua would be an insult. Aqua was gorgeous and years ahead of its time.
Apple employees have been continuously referring to the new interface as Aqua in WWDC videos. I certainly don't have time to hand pick the references myself, watch the videos if you want.
Yosemite has all the elements which lie in the roots of the Aqua interface - the 'water' theme with its tranclucency and wet look (btw, this original element of Aqua interface was changed to brushed metal look Panther/Tiger), the colors, the elegance of UI elements and the arrangement of window controls. It also has the classical building blocks of Aqua - the Dock, the top menu and the traffic light window controls.
If you are so opposed to the idea of calling the Yosemite UI Aqua, then we could just agree that its a new UI interface based around aesthetics of water/wet glass and heavily borrowing elements from Aqua, while toning down the UI art style in general. Which kind of makes it next version Aqua
If I count correctly, this would be Aqua 3.0 (with elements of Aqua 2.0 — the metallic look — being introduced in Panther).I'm not deliberately arguing with you. I just don't recall them calling it Aqua at the Yosemite announcement and when I saw the launch of OSX it looked leagues different to this. The buttons/widget style in particular. I preferred the more glossy/3d style.Apple employees have been continuously referring to the new interface as Aqua in WWDC videos. I certainly don't have time to hand pick the references myself, watch the videos if you want.
Yosemite has all the elements which lie in the roots of the Aqua interface - the 'water' theme with its tranclucency and wet look (btw, this original element of Aqua interface was changed to brushed metal look Panther/Tiger), the colors, the elegance of UI elements and the arrangement of window controls. It also has the classical building blocks of Aqua - the Dock, the top menu and the traffic light window controls.
If you are so opposed to the idea of calling the Yosemite UI Aqua, then we could just agree that its a new UI interface based around aesthetics of water/wet glass and heavily borrowing elements from Aqua, while toning down the UI art style in general. Which kind of makes it next version Aqua
Aqua means water. OS X used to have a "water" look with all the "gel cap" buttons, etc. It no longer has this except in the stop light buttons and Yosemite has destroyed even that. Aqua is DEAD. Anyone who says otherwise is only kidding themselves. Think about it before you contradict the obvious.
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