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Yosemite looks terrible!
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fwiw, that's the iPad app, my screenshot was from OS X Lion, if you can believe it, although admittedly the excessive skeuomorphism trend of course started on iOS and only found its way back to the Mac, peaking in OS X Lion.
After having given it thought, I think what I'm going to do is just give up on Apple all together. I'll keep what I have of it until it breaks or I feel compelled to move on for some reason, but when I do so it will likely be back to either Linux or a FreeBSD variant. When iPhones went from iOS 6 to 7 they made, IMHO, some of the built in applications almost unusable or annoying to use, and my solution was simple: no more iPhones. Now they're doing the same thing wiith OS X.
People like me use the operating system as a tool to get work done. I have no interest in being harassed by what appears to be nothing more than a "change for the sake of change" effort. I have no interest in having to re-learn commands that were established decades ago because someone at Apple thinks they have a better way and now we're the guinea pigs. I have no interest in having to track down applications that will now be compatible with Yosemite and beyond because Apple has managed to make what did work before incompatible. I have no interest in having to go out and purchase/update tons of software just for the sake of Apple's upgrade. Last but not least, I have no interest in using an operating system that I look at and find annoying.
I have no idea what the motivation for this change it, but it makes little or no sense to me.
People like me use the operating system as a tool to get work done. I have no interest in being harassed by what appears to be nothing more than a "change for the sake of change" effort. I have no interest in having to re-learn commands that were established decades ago because someone at Apple thinks they have a better way and now we're the guinea pigs. I have no interest in having to track down applications that will now be compatible with Yosemite and beyond because Apple has managed to make what did work before incompatible. I have no interest in having to go out and purchase/update tons of software just for the sake of Apple's upgrade. Last but not least, I have no interest in using an operating system that I look at and find annoying.
I have no idea what the motivation for this change it, but it makes little or no sense to me.
The motivation is regime change, from my experience executives need to mark the trees. For example every HP CEO changed the logo, starting with Carly, what exactly does that achieve, nothing but expense.
These new CEOs think this is actually "innovation".
I am glad for you that you were able to make a decision. I would still like to comment on some of your points which I believe are quite one-sided and superficial.
Me too. So far, Yosemite allows me to get my work done faster. Markup alone has saved me a lot of hassle.
I have experienced no chances of the magnitude you seem to describe in Yosemite so far.
Which is almost every application out there except some that rely on private frameworks or kernel extensions.
What software might that be?
This is actually a very good reason which I can absolutely understand.
I'll just stick with Mavericks until my retina 2014 reaches EOL. Of course, I'll see what is coming down the pipeline for Apple and if there are some improvements. For now, however, I'm not feeling it. It's either Mac or Windows, and right now, Windows 10 isn't looking half bad. We'll see.
I think I'll start looking at Windows as well, and start looking again at Linux and other Unix variants out there. Years ago when I was just starting in this field Microsoft and Mac's were all there were. Mac's were too expensive and really not mainstream. By my estimation this release appears to be seriously alienating about 20-30% or more of Apple's users, and from what they have and haven't done to the OS seems to indicate they could care less about users and what users want.
I have no idea if that estimate is actually correct...but at least I'm not happy, that's for sure. We shall see Yosemite's market share after about 3-4 months after release. I suspect it will be lower than Mavericks unless Apple basically force you to download and update your OS (like they do with iOS).
Don't take me wrong, but if you dislike the appearance of Yosemite than Windows 10 must be the ugliest thing ever seen by humanity to you
Users wanted a modern look (they got it), they wanted better interoperability with iOS (they got it), they wanted cloud storage (they got it), they wanted more convenient standard tooling (they got it), they wanted updated unix toolchain and more power-user features (they got it). Sure, this list and my argumentation here is completely silly and one-sided, but so is yours.
Don't take me wrong, but if you dislike the appearance of Yosemite than Windows 10 must be the ugliest thing ever seen by humanity to you
I dislike the menus, yes, but Windows is Windows. It hasn't changed much in terms of UI since Vista/W7 came along, and there should be an option to revert to classic theme (the W2K one) if you REALLY dislike the default theme.
With OS X, there is no option. No 3D dock. No way to turn off translucency without making it even uglier. WYSIYWG, basically, which turns me off. Why can't I get the 3D dock back? Give people options, Apple.
Yep, imo LG is a more readable font than Helvetica Neue.
For those who don't know, you can change the system font with TinkerTool.
Hm, odd!
This is actually the first release of OS X that I have genuinely, thoroughly liked the look of. I think it's probably the best looking operating system I have ever seen (and I've seen a lot!).
It's lush
But erm, it's a personal preference thing.
The light/dark thing I think is perhaps a little sloppy, as... I dunno... maybe it would make more sense to just make it more of a middle brightness the whole time than have 2 extremes haha
But I do think the whites look really nice, so meh
Anywho, I love it!
This is actually the first release of OS X that I have genuinely, thoroughly liked the look of. I think it's probably the best looking operating system I have ever seen (and I've seen a lot!).
It's lush
But erm, it's a personal preference thing.
The light/dark thing I think is perhaps a little sloppy, as... I dunno... maybe it would make more sense to just make it more of a middle brightness the whole time than have 2 extremes haha
But I do think the whites look really nice, so meh
Anywho, I love it!
Actually the dark mode looks pretty awesome. I just wish the translucency could be turned off completely and it would look like Mavericks, but alas, that is not possible.
GUI features
I just switched to Yosemite last night and have been too busy to explore the features that it adds.
My comment is confined to the way it looks. After all, I spend most of my day looking at the desktop.
I usually like changes just because they are different, but I have to say I am not fond of the lollipop colors that have become hallmarks of iOS and OS X.
I look forward to the next OS where (hopefully) the fashion will change to a richer suite of colors and bring back to some sense of texture. These devices are expensive and occupy a lot of my eye time. I wish they didn't look polystyrene toys.
But that's just one opinion. It'll change in time. Been staring at Macs since the SE30 came out, so I've seen a lot of trends.
I just switched to Yosemite last night and have been too busy to explore the features that it adds.
My comment is confined to the way it looks. After all, I spend most of my day looking at the desktop.
I usually like changes just because they are different, but I have to say I am not fond of the lollipop colors that have become hallmarks of iOS and OS X.
I look forward to the next OS where (hopefully) the fashion will change to a richer suite of colors and bring back to some sense of texture. These devices are expensive and occupy a lot of my eye time. I wish they didn't look polystyrene toys.
But that's just one opinion. It'll change in time. Been staring at Macs since the SE30 came out, so I've seen a lot of trends.
Well, I'm glad that it looks good ^_^
I guess I just kind of like a bright, playful interface. A friend of mine could barely believe it I don't think when I said I really liked how the iPhone 5C looked, and I was actually MORE interested in getting one of those than the 5S!
Why?
Because I just tend to prefer thing that look a bit more vibrant! I like colours and things that stand out like that!
But taste is a very personal thing
If you think Yosemite looks terrible then have a look at Windows 10 preview - now that is truly horrible!
Although it seems that Windows are trying to catch up feature wise with Mac OSX, the look alone is truly hideous. The preview makes me appreciate Mac OSX even more then ever.
Although it seems that Windows are trying to catch up feature wise with Mac OSX, the look alone is truly hideous. The preview makes me appreciate Mac OSX even more then ever.
Not really, I'm using the dev preview right now and this on a retina Mac is really amazing (of course, the Mac is already amazing without Windows). Big step up from W8. And unlike Yosemite, the themes are customizable (color-wise), so you are stuck with just 2 colors.
I agree that Windows 10 (or WindeX, lol) does look relatively poor. Very angular and lacking in subtleties like fading, gradients, or anything else that would add true character IMO. To me it looks basic, cheap and soulless, lacking in the polish that even 7 had. However... there's still a lot of time, so hopefully they'll add a layer or 2 of polish which would result in an alright-looking system I think.
For the first time in years, I truly think OSX looks thoroughly more impressive than Windows at first glance. Back around the launch of Vista and 7 I though those nice translucencies really caught the eye and looked great. But now, Windows almost seems to be taking steps backwards towards harsh colours and angular window borders and so on, whilst OSX is looking more and more modern and flashy! To my eyes, anyway!
Interesting!
Everything has its plusses and minuses. I didn't really like the "tray" dock and was ticked when they changed the dock between Tiger and Leopard. Now that I see the new dock on Yosemite it looks better IMHO.
Unfortunately, the dock going back to Tiger's isn't enough to cut it for me. I generally view translucency in Yosemite as childish and childish appearing. The overall interface gives me the impression of unprofessionalism and leaves me with the feeling that it was designed to impress 5 year olds. Translucency racing through the top part of the window, especially when using Safari and viewing high contrast colors is just too gimicky. It just leaves me with the feeling that this OS is really, really, really unprofessional.
I will say, however, if Apple's intent was to create something of a divisive split amongst it's user base on a ratio of probably 7:3 and probably in the long term lose 20 to 30 percent of its users, then job well done!
I wish someone besides Apple and Microsoft would come up with an operating system and push it so others would adopt it. I'm not fond of Microsoft and I no longer have any faith in Apple.
Unfortunately, the dock going back to Tiger's isn't enough to cut it for me. I generally view translucency in Yosemite as childish and childish appearing. The overall interface gives me the impression of unprofessionalism and leaves me with the feeling that it was designed to impress 5 year olds. Translucency racing through the top part of the window, especially when using Safari and viewing high contrast colors is just too gimicky. It just leaves me with the feeling that this OS is really, really, really unprofessional.
I will say, however, if Apple's intent was to create something of a divisive split amongst it's user base on a ratio of probably 7:3 and probably in the long term lose 20 to 30 percent of its users, then job well done!
I wish someone besides Apple and Microsoft would come up with an operating system and push it so others would adopt it. I'm not fond of Microsoft and I no longer have any faith in Apple.
Lucida Grande vs. System Default Font
Ok, I attached four screenshots comparing lucida grande vs system default in this post. The difference is really highlighted when zooming in on a non-retina display. It is MUCH easier on the eyes with lucida grande.
*mistyped lucida in the attachments sorry! Hover over each image for the title. The two on top are system default. The two underneath are with lucida grande.
Ok, I attached four screenshots comparing lucida grande vs system default in this post. The difference is really highlighted when zooming in on a non-retina display. It is MUCH easier on the eyes with lucida grande.
*mistyped lucida in the attachments sorry! Hover over each image for the title. The two on top are system default. The two underneath are with lucida grande.
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Are you sure you posted the right files - I can't see any difference...?!?
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