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apolloa

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I suppose they have no control over third party developers, the fact that most Windows laptops and such still don't come with high res screens means developers are dragging their heels. A quick venture in pc world the other day and vast majority of laptops 13-16" size they are selling still had 1376x768 resolution.

I see lots of laptops with 1080P screens, but yeah in PC World they'll sell the bog standard ones, I can see why they would be dragging their heels. But Adobe I would have thought would have made it work by now.
 
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Oohara

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Getting 6s+ for sure, looking forward to testing the keyboard cover for the Pro.
 
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tbayrgs

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As one of the resident Apple proponents who spends most of his time in this subforum, I'll offer my $0.02 from a reasonably fervent Apple fan.

iPad Pro:
Mixed feelings about it. I really like the hardware. I've been using the multi-window functionality on my iPad Air 2 and really like how it works--look forward to the extra screen real estate. I also find that I need my laptop for more intensive functionality less and less--a device like this could probably cover 90+% of what I do. Don't love the pricing (seems $100 too high vs. same storage on iPad Air 2) but I don't find the accessory pricing as obnoxious as some claim it to be--isn't the Surface Typepad $129 or $139? I've also owned Adonit Jot stylii that cost $79-99 that were garbage. Is anyone really surprised Apple is charging a bit more? Comes with the territory.

I may pick one up and if it seems to fit my needs, actually might sell the MBP (still have a desktop if needed).

Apple TV:
Like what I saw here as well. It's not offering anything dramatically different from its competition but for,those of us who live heavily in the Apple ecosystem, it's a welcome significant improvement. Only disappointment is no current support for 4K content, though many seem to think this can be added later with software updates. Pricing seems reasonable considering the storage they're including. I'll definitely be picking at least one up.

iPhone:
No real surprises here. I'm certainly intrigued by 3D Touch, very happy about the camera upgrades. My disappointments here were Apple still offering 16GB as the base storage and lack of OIS in the standard iPhone 6S. I'm getting a 6S+ with a lot more storage so it doesn't impact me but in general I find it a poor move by Apple.
 
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epicrayban

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I just watched some videos of 3d touch. Gotta say, I'm even less impressed with it than before.

Will have to give it a shot. Still interesting but I still think long pressing is easier and better.

For example, it now seems slower to "peek" then "pop" than it does to just open the email and go back. I don't know, something about it feels like it's now gonna take more steps or require more nuance in my finger usage. Like my intentions have to now be more accurate to get what I want so I don't accidentally pop open an email I don't want to see or if I do want to press into it I don't press too hard (I think?) so that it thinks it's a peek.

What if I press harder on an app icon but instead it registers as a long press and ios thinks I want to rearrange my home screen? Or vice versa if I wanna rearrange my home screen but it thinks it's a force touch and loads the contextual menu instead?

I don't know...

Again, will have to use it in real life to see for myself but I'm less impressed now by it by the video impressions so far. It somehow feels complicated. At least with long press there is less room for error or interpretation.
 
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Fernandez21

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I just watched some videos of 3d touch. Gotta say, I'm even less impressed with it than before.

Will have to give it a shot. Still interesting but I still think long pressing is easier and better.

For example, it now seems slower to "peek" then "pop" than it does to just open the email and go back. I don't know, something about it feels like it's now gonna take more steps or require more nuance in my finger usage. Like my intentions have to now be more accurate to get what I want so I don't accidentally pop open an email I don't want to see or if I do want to press into it I don't press too hard (I think?) so that it thinks it's a peek.

What if I press harder on an app icon but instead it registers as a long press and ios thinks I want to rearrange my home screen? Or vice versa if I wanna rearrange my home screen but it thinks it's a force touch and loads the contextual menu instead?

I don't know...

Again, will have to use it in real life to see for myself but I'm less impressed now by it by the video impressions so far. It somehow feels complicated. At least with long press there is less room for error or interpretation.
Yeah, I hope it can turned off. I don't think I'll have a problem with it, but I could definitely see my dad having trouble, he already presses pretty hard when trying to select an app and a couple of times makes it go into wiggle mode.
 

tbayrgs

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I just watched some videos of 3d touch. Gotta say, I'm even less impressed with it than before.

Will have to give it a shot. Still interesting but I still think long pressing is easier and better.

For example, it now seems slower to "peek" then "pop" than it does to just open the email and go back. I don't know, something about it feels like it's now gonna take more steps or require more nuance in my finger usage. Like my intentions have to now be more accurate to get what I want so I don't accidentally pop open an email I don't want to see or if I do want to press into it I don't press too hard (I think?) so that it thinks it's a peek.

What if I press harder on an app icon but instead it registers as a long press and ios thinks I want to rearrange my home screen? Or vice versa if I wanna rearrange my home screen but it thinks it's a force touch and loads the contextual menu instead?

I don't know...

Again, will have to use it in real life to see for myself but I'm less impressed now by it by the video impressions so far. It somehow feels complicated. At least with long press there is less room for error or interpretation.

Obviously I don't have any first hand experience with the phone but if it's anything similar to the watch, the differences in actions aren't that subtle...meaning the difference between a long press and the effort to engage a deep press are pretty distinct. Of course, first hand use will tell how useful it really is.

My greater concern is the inconsistencies Apple is introducing between devices, especially devices from the same release cycle. What I can do on the iPhone 6S is different from iPad Pro, which has its own unique elements, while both have functionality not found on either of the latest iPad Mini or Air. One of Apple's defining elements is the consistency across devices...someone familiar with one device usually has no problem picking up another and using it. We're starting to see some <gasp> :eek: UI fragmentation in the Apple ecosystem.
 
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maxwelltech

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Still deciding my next move... Debating between getting a Galaxy S6, iPhone 6s, or waiting for the new Nexus.

Not entirely convinced by Force Touch so far, and that seems like the only iPhone-exclusive feature. Plus it costs $750 plus tax for 64GB... On the other hand I can get a 32GB S6 for $560 with no tax.

Thoughts?
 

MRU

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Still deciding my next move... Debating between getting a Galaxy S6, iPhone 6s, or waiting for the new Nexus.

Not entirely convinced by Force Touch so far, and that seems like the only iPhone-exclusive feature. Plus it costs $750 plus tax for 64GB... On the other hand I can get a 32GB S6 for $560 with no tax.

Thoughts?

If it's your only smartphone do you want android or iOS ... Basically that is the main deciding factor that really matters at the end of the day. There are tons of other subjective differences and things like resale value considerations but first and foremost decide which Os you prefer and let that govern the rest. If you have no preference then just weigh up what you like about one v the other and see where the scale of balance is looking.
 

spriter

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A bit 'meh' at some of the stuff Apple did. Mostly disappointed that the 6s still doesn't have OIS like the big brother. That and it's lost 100mAh from an already small battery which wasn't great last time out.

Hard to know just how better the camera is from the usual shots on a slide that don't say anything. I guess it's 6s Plus or bust for me. Obviously not the 16gb 'iCloud' edition for all those 4k movies.

IPad Pro looks good for certain users but probably too unwieldy for someone who reads a lot on it.

If I'm using Office, I think I can be way more productive on a laptop but at least it's an option for road warriors. The stylus is interesting even if Steve warned us that "if you see a stylus, they blew it". That ipad lineup slide looked a confusing mess. Three models, gaps in version numbers... not very clear to average Joe any more.

Apple TV? No interest...

Watch .... meh

So I'll be going for a Note 5 and probably try the 6S Plus for the new interface which seems to be more functional (even if it's effectively a right-click) and to see if the camera is up to much.
 

Tsepz

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Buying:
Most probably the iPad Pro LTE+WiFi

Selling:
Nothing

Keeping:
My Galaxy Note 4, it seems its better than anything similar to it coming out in 2015, no point in replacing it at all. :)

I must say, smartphone and phablet wise, what a flop of a year, batteries got smaller, functionality taken out, not many major features brought in etc... The iPad Pro is the only gadget that truly has me drooling.
 
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I7guy

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If it's your only smartphone do you want android or iOS ... Basically that is the main deciding factor that really matters at the end of the day. There are tons of other subjective differences and things like resale value considerations but first and foremost decide which Os you prefer and let that govern the rest. If you have no preference then just weigh up what you like about one v the other and see where the scale of balance is looking.
I'm thinking of the 6s...scratch that, 6s is a yes and Apple watch a maybe with one of the new bands. And an Apple TV as well. The iPad pro is way too cool.
 

iSheep5S

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Unless drawing on a tablet is a must i'd avoid the iPad Pro. Too expensive. 32GB is minuscule for productivity. I will keep my Surface 3. Heck for less than the iPad Pro with the keyboard and pen the Surface Pro 3 is a no brainier.... i5... 128GB iPad Pro with pen and keyboard is almost a UK £900! Sorry but the apple tax is too high. That'd be a Mac instead.

Full OS on the Surface. The iPad Pro should have OS X... but without the Apple tax.

iPhone? I'm not in the market for one but a good upgrade!

Watch? Meh.
 

MRU

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Unless drawing on a tablet is a must i'd avoid the iPad Pro. .

But ... If you are


Basically as I said earlier. Even at €1000 it's €300-500 cheaper than a cintiq companion and is thinner, longer battery, higher resolution screen.

The iPad pro isn't designed for everyone clearly, but for those who it does fit into its brief, the cost here is actually on point.

I spent €750 on my iPad Air 2, and two Bluetooth stylus that aren't anywhere near as good as Apple's.

My Note Pro 12.2 was RRP €799 and Samsung's support for it was frankly atrocious. As is their support for their tablet line in general.

Then taking in Surface and Windows with its hi dpi issues in third party design / illustration apps and suddenly the iPad pro does become a very compelling prospect for people like myself (designers / illustrators) who are already embedded in the Apple hardware for daily work.

This will just be an actual companion 'tool' in my work day with my Mac Pro and rMBP and Wacom tablets. It's offering me more portability than my current desktop Cintiq with an actual higher resolution to boost, comes in far cheaper, lighter, longer battery & more features than the portable cintiq companions.

There seems to be a shed load of 'OMG TOO EXPENSIVE, TOO BIG' comments in the many new iPad threads since unveiling, but folks are forgetting that not every product released is designed to fit the needs of 'everyone', it's why we have so many choices in our gadget world.

Personally the most exciting product I'll purchase this year and comparatively in my perspective - good value.
 

epicrayban

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Obviously I don't have any first hand experience with the phone but if it's anything similar to the watch, the differences in actions aren't that subtle...meaning the difference between a long press and the effort to engage a deep press are pretty distinct. Of course, first hand use will tell how useful it really is.

My greater concern is the inconsistencies Apple is introducing between devices, especially devices from the same release cycle. What I can do on the iPhone 6S is different from iPad Pro, which has its own unique elements, while both have functionality not found on either of the latest iPad Mini or Air. One of Apple's defining elements is the consistency across devices...someone familiar with one device usually has no problem picking up another and using it. We're starting to see some <gasp> :eek: UI fragmentation in the Apple ecosystem.

Definitely fair points.
 

jamezr

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A bit 'meh' at some of the stuff Apple did. Mostly disappointed that the 6s still doesn't have OIS like the big brother. That and it's lost 100mAh from an already small battery which wasn't great last time out.

Hard to know just how better the camera is from the usual shots on a slide that don't say anything. I guess it's 6s Plus or bust for me. Obviously not the 16gb 'iCloud' edition for all those 4k movies.

IPad Pro looks good for certain users but probably too unwieldy for someone who reads a lot on it.

If I'm using Office, I think I can be way more productive on a laptop but at least it's an option for road warriors. The stylus is interesting even if Steve warned us that "if you see a stylus, they blew it". That ipad lineup slide looked a confusing mess. Three models, gaps in version numbers... not very clear to average Joe any more.

Apple TV? No interest...

Watch .... meh

So I'll be going for a Note 5 and probably try the 6S Plus for the new interface which seems to be more functional (even if it's effectively a right-click) and to see if the camera is up to much.
Interesting after watching the keynote. Did they actually say the IP6s would have 2GB of ram or is everyone assuming it does? I can't find the specs for battery or ram from the apple website.
 

AppleRobert

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After yesterday's announcement, I am holding onto the iPhone 6 Plus and very much liking the Note 5.

Maybe Motorola's offerings. We'll see.

No tablets for me, I am happy with my Samsung Tab Pro and IPad Air 2.
 

gotluck

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I really liked the ipad pro and apple pencil too, but I'm sad that it seems the device isn't really made for me. I wish I had a need for drawing capability, but the most I'd get out of it would be for office and marking up PDFs, which would still be very cool, but can't justify the price.

I still have concerns about inter app sharing and email attachment support. So far iCloud Drive just isn't up to par. Im really sick of the clunky 'open in' process. Just give us a local drive folder that we can access in any app, please!

I will likely pick up a cheap Apple TV 3 because AirPlay seems to be the main compelling feature on ATV for someone who owns fire tv,chrome cast, ps4, raspberry pi. I don't know what I was expecting but I was waiting with most anticipation for the new ATV.
 

tbayrgs

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Interesting after watching the keynote. Did they actually say the IP6s would have 2GB of ram or is everyone assuming it does? I can't find the specs for battery or ram from the apple website.

Apple never publishes battery or RAM specs for their iDevices--have to wait until someone like iFixit tears it down in a couple weeks.
 

jamezr

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Apple never publishes battery or RAM specs for their iDevices--have to wait until someone like iFixit tears it down in a couple weeks.
I am surprised no one that got their hands on one after the keynote has not elaborated. Unless they are under NDA of course.
 
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