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Huh? Fictional?

Yes fictional because most people buy smartphones on monthly plans and the X only costs a little more than the normal models. Absolutely negligible increase.

Even if that’s not the case and buying it outright means stress for one’s pocket then they shouldn’t even look at it and try to own it. Phones have been selling for around £800 for a while now. If an increment of only £200 puts it out of budget then I would question their budget of buying top end models to begin with.
 
Yes fictional because most people buy smartphones on monthly plans and the X only costs a little more than the normal models. Absolutely negligible increase.

Even if that’s not the case and buying it outright means stress for one’s pocket then they shouldn’t even look at it and try to own it. Phones have been selling for around £800 for a while now. If an increment of only £200 puts it out of budget then I would question their budget of buying top end models to begin with.

Agreed, the cost differential is more of a psychological issue than anything
The $1,000 barrier is arbitrary and is used as an excuse and a rallying cry

If you can afford the 8 Plus, you can afford the X
Add the perceived cost to the fact there is no home button, Touch ID and the notch and there certainly are reasons not to get the X for some
But basing purely on the cost differential is a stretch IMO
If you can't afford the X then you prolly need to evaluate buying an 8 Plus as well

If people want the 8 Plus they should buy it, but no reason to disparage the X to justify the choice
If people want the X they should buy it and not be concerned they paid a little more to get what they wanted
Cost is just a personal decision about where you want to put your money

Lots of things cost more money than I am willing to pay for them
The X is not one of them, but it is for some
 
Why didn't you?
iPhone 6/6+ = Camera bump/Antenna lines. Owned because of circumstance.

iPhone 6s/6s+ = Camera bump/Antenna lines. Owned because of circumstance, current phone.

iPhone 7/7+ = Camera boil. Skipped. Did not buy.

iPhone 8/8+ = More camera boil. Skipped. Did not buy.

iPhone X = Holy Crap, Camera ABCESS!!! Not. Buying. That!

Apple, since the 6 series seems to have decided that making a bump/boil/abcess out of the camera is a design element they want.

I don't want that. I think it's ugly. I don't buy.

Personal opinion and preference. A lot of people disagree with me.
 
Even if that’s not the case and buying it outright means stress for one’s pocket then they shouldn’t even look at it and try to own it. Phones have been selling for around £800 for a while now. If an increment of only £200 puts it out of budget then I would question their budget of buying top end models to begin with.
Posts like this are just silly. Just because person can afford $300 more for a phone doesn't mean that they would want to spend it, or that they should.

I could afford an iPhone X, but why would I spend the extra money if I don't need to? Some people plan the costs of a phone in their budget. They could budget more for a phone, but why? Is an X necessary? Maybe their priorities are different than yours.

- fictional understanding how expensive it is.

They would be spending over 40% more for an iPhone X than an iPhone 8, hardly fictional.

BTW, add Appel Care + to the costs, and the difference ends up being a lot more.
 
I've had an X for about a month now, coming from a 6. I do not enjoy big phones, so I like the fact that this phone is not as big as a Plus. But that is pretty much it. The whole experience feels flimsy to me, as it was still in beta. I think this is a good reason to steer away from this device and return it.
 
Posts like this are just silly. Just because person can afford $300 more for a phone doesn't mean that they would want to spend it, or that they should.

I could afford an iPhone X, but why would I spend the extra money if I don't need to? Some people plan the costs of a phone in their budget. They could budget more for a phone, but why? Is an X necessary? Maybe their priorities are different than yours.



They would be spending over 40% more for an iPhone X than an iPhone 8, hardly fictional.

BTW, add Appel Care + to the costs, and the difference ends up being a lot more.

Expensive in itself is a relative thing and depends on ok of those things you mentioned. Value of something against cost is also relative to needs and wants. In terms of smartphones, even the lower tiered models aren’t “necessary” as you put it. If you want a phone, by all means you can get a £20 phone and that will make phone calls and will send texts. If you want smartphone then even a £100 phone would do everything an average user needs and plenty of such devices are available on Amazon. So your point seems like just for the sake of argument.

Also X should be compared with the 8 plus. Not the 8. The 8 plus and the X are more similar.

And the extra cost over a period of 24 months is definitely negligible and if that’s outside ones budget then they shouldn’t even think about having any expensive phone for that matter.
 
And the extra cost over a period of 24 months is definitely negligible and if that’s outside ones budget then they shouldn’t even think about having any expensive phone for that matter.

"Outside one's budget?"

A budget, once set, requires any changes to be accounted for. In my household, getting the X would equal an extra $30.82 per month. In order to do that I have to decide which of my other budgets I wish to subtract $30.82 from.

I didn't find one.

Yes, $30/month matters to me. No, that does not mean I'm too poor to own a smart phone.
 
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1 - price. Don't see an extra £2-300 value in it over the 8+, especially considering:
2 - pentile oled. Not my favourite display tech, looks 'wrong' to me compared to RGB LCDs.
3 - screen size/ shape. I'm used to larger displays at this point.
4 - Face ID. Not as reliable as touch, and quite frankly a bit creepy imo.
 
THIS! It isn't the total cost folks, it's the extra cost for things we don't want or need. Very simple concept that many folks don't seem to get.
Why won't I buy it? Price. After buying every iPhone so far, I don't see the X justifies the extra $300. There isn't $300 worth of innovations that I feel justify the purchase.

I can totally understand this... when a user doesn't see the difference in value
What are you getting for the Xtra $$
If you don't see the value... no go
If you do... buy

My issue is when it is just categorically stated the X is too expensive without context
 
"Outside one's budget?"

A budget, once set, requires any changes to be accounted for. In my household, getting the X would equal an extra $30.82 per month. In order to do that I have to decide which of my other budgets I wish to subtract $30.82 from.

I didn't find one.

Yes, $30/month matters to me. No, that does not mean I'm too poor to own a smart phone.

Well if $30 a month is too much then I’d argue you are. Not for owning a smartphone but to own one that carries an above average price tag.

I’m sorry, expenses and the worth of it ultimately comes down to personal preference. I don’t own an X either but my reasoning wasn’t cost. The difference between my current device and the X would’ve been about £200 which is nothing if I really wanted to get it but I just couldn’t be bothered to deal with first generation product issues. That alone was not worth for me to get the device. Not the difference in terms of cost.
 
Well if $30 a month is too much then I’d argue you are. Not for owning a smartphone but to own one that carries an above average price tag.

I’m sorry, expenses and the worth of it ultimately comes down to personal preference. I don’t own an X either but my reasoning wasn’t cost. The difference between my current device and the X would’ve been about £200 which is nothing if I really wanted to get it but I just couldn’t be bothered to deal with first generation product issues. That alone was not worth for me to get the device. Not the difference in terms of cost.

I think what we are talking about is the difference between being too expensive v. not worth the additional cost

If someone thinks it isn't worth the additional $200 (compared to the 8 Plus which is the typical comparison) or more over the 8 or 7 models, that's a fair assessment.

But to assert it is too expensive, not affordable, can't pay for it, only for the rich, etc. but still willing to buy the 8 Plus, well that's where I see the inconsistency.
 
My mom didn't buy the iPhone X because she dropped and smashed her iPhone 7 and bought an iPhone 8 and refused when I got her an iPhone X.

I don't know anyone else who didn't buy an iPhone X when upgrading their existing iPhone. People I know may laugh or joke about the notch and Face ID, but end of the day they're bought one already.
 
Yes fictional because most people buy smartphones on monthly plans and the X only costs a little more than the normal models. Absolutely negligible increase.

Even if that’s not the case and buying it outright means stress for one’s pocket then they shouldn’t even look at it and try to own it. Phones have been selling for around £800 for a while now. If an increment of only £200 puts it out of budget then I would question their budget of buying top end models to begin with.


Let's look at your "fictional".
I have a 7+. Decide to look at upgrading (do it every year).
Walk into an Apple Store and check out the X.

X
Compared screen real estate to my 7+. The X actually has a bit less - Notch and heavily rounded corners.
Took a good look at the screen. It was better than the 7+ but not significantly. Ran a poor second to my girlfriends Galaxy S8. Had a heavy tint (blue) at a mild angle. The notch was meh but not a deal breaker.
Base model does not have enough memory. Need the 256GB model.
Had the rep give me a price; iPhone X + AppleCare. Total was north of $1400 US. :eek: This didn't include a screen protector, case or skin.

End decision: for $1400 I need a real definitive reason to upgrade at that price.
Between the X and iOS 11, wasn't happening. :oops:

Followup: The monthly fee is just another tactic that furniture rental and other similar businesses use to pull you in. "It's only $XX ... a small amount" You end up paying the same and once in that mind set it is easy to fall into it for other items. Not smart financial sense. But they are counting on it.

Disclosure: I am now driving a Razer in place of my 7+. Just over $800 for everything including 2 year warranty. That's less than 60% of the cost and this is a great device. Even if it doesn't link nicely to all my other iDevices.
 
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I think what we are talking about is the difference between being too expensive v. not worth the additional cost

If someone thinks it isn't worth the additional $200 (compared to the 8 Plus which is the typical comparison) or more over the 8 or 7 models, that's a fair assessment.

But to assert it is too expensive, not affordable, can't pay for it, only for the rich, etc. but still willing to buy the 8 Plus, well that's where I see the inconsistency.

Well said there.
 
Let's look at your "fictional".
I have a 7+. Decide to look at upgrading (do it every year).
Walk into an Apple Store and check out the X.

X
Compared screen real estate to my 7+. The X actually has a bit less - Notch and heavily rounded corners.
Took a good look at the screen. It was better than the 7+ but not significantly. Ran a poor second to my girlfriends Galaxy S8. Had a heavy tint (blue) at a mild angle. The notch was meh but not a deal breaker.
Base model does not have enough memory. Need the 256GB model.
Had the rep give me a price; iPhone X + AppleCare. Total was north of $1400 US. :eek: This didn't include a screen protector, case or skin.

End decision: for $1400 I need a real definitive reason to upgrade at that price.
Between the X and iOS 11, wasn't happening. :oops:

Yep and you’re right in your assessment. You’re basically saying that the upgrade is not worth it for you. Which is ok. But by no means the X is unaffordable.
 
And the extra cost over a period of 24 months is definitely negligible and if that’s outside ones budget then they shouldn’t even think about having any expensive phone for that matter.
But, why spend the extra amount, negligible or not, for a phone that someone that believes the features of that phone are not worth the extra amount. It doesn't have to be that they can't afford the phone, but why spend extra on a phone that isn't worth the price, at least in the eyes of the person passing on the X model.

Also X should be compared with the 8 plus. Not the 8. The 8 plus and the X are more similar.
I understand that they are most similar, but the OP didn't state that you have a choice between and 8 Plus and an X, and why people are choosing an 8 Plus instead. The OP asked why are iPhone fans passing on the X.

This is what happened to me, I had an 6s Plus, and in October, I switched to an SE. I didn't find the X worth the extra cost. I also didn't find the 8 worth the extra cost. So, I decided on something else that was worth it for my needs and preferences.

I think there is many other choices, like not buying an 8, 8 Plus, or an X, and sticking to a 7, 7 Plus, or SE.

With that said, go back to your original statement:
- fictional understanding how expensive it is.

Many already own older iPhones, so why not compare the X price to ones that are currently purchased? Why spend $1000 for a phone when your existing phone does most of the things of a X, and it is already paid for?

So, in this case, it isn't a $200+ difference, but a $1000+ difference. I would say that this would be more than a negligible increase.
 
But, why spend the extra amount, negligible or not, for a phone that someone that believes the features of that phone are not worth the extra amount. It doesn't have to be that they can't afford the phone, but why spend extra on a phone that isn't worth the price, at least in the eyes of the person passing on the X model.

I understand that they are most similar, but the OP didn't state that you have a choice between and 8 Plus and an X, and why people are choosing an 8 Plus instead. The OP asked why are iPhone fans passing on the X.

This is what happened to me, I had an 6s Plus, and in October, I switched to an SE. I didn't find the X worth the extra cost. I also didn't find the 8 worth the extra cost. So, I decided on something else that was worth it for my needs and preferences.

I think there is many other choices, like not buying an 8, 8 Plus, or an X, and sticking to a 7, 7 Plus, or SE.

With that said, go back to your original statement:


Many already own older iPhones, so why not compare the X price to ones that are currently purchased? Why spend $1000 for a phone when your existing phone does most of the things of a X, and it is already paid for?

So, in this case, it isn't a $200+ difference, but a $1000+ difference. I would say that this would be more than a negligible increase.

Yes I agree with the notion of it not being worth for someone (such was the case with me as well) but that’s for other reasons and not for the price. I’m saying if someone can buy any of the latest phones starting from the 7 series upwards then they can buy the X as well.

The constraints is not the cost but the value of the device for that person.

People who say £1000 is expensive, and having an X shows financial stability, really need to get the chip off their shoulder. Also, they clearly don’t understand what financial stability is.
 
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For me personally:

Too small
No Touch ID
Too expensive (O2 here in the uk want silly money for the phone on a monthly basis).

For once in my life I’ve taken out a phone contract as O2 crawled and begged and made and offer I couldn’t refuse (a superb deal for an iP8+ and a 2017 iPad Pro 12.9" WiFi/cellular). Used to be with them for my busiensss contract years ago, moved to Three and then decided to just buy handsets and tablets outright etc

More than happy with the 8+, it’s a superb handset and after suffering with crappy Samsung bloat on their S8 Plus and Note 8, I decided to give iOS another bash and not regretting it at all
 
The constraints is not the cost but the value of the device for that person.

Cost and value can not be separated.

Now I understand why you have completely different reactions to different people saying the exact same thing. Rhonindk and I both literally said that the extra cost wasn't worth it to us and for some reason you said that's "ok" for him but your response to me was the exact opposite.

Our logic was identical and yet you somehow think we were giving different reasons.
 
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