Zuning it: 1.6 million Windows Phone 7 products sold in first quarter

[*LTD*]

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-16-million-windows-phone-7-products-sold-in-first-quarter#comments


Zuning it™

Report: 1.6 million Windows Phone 7 products sold in first quarter

Microsoft has a long way to go before it will catch up to the rest of the wireless phone industry in terms of sales of its Windows Phone 7 devices. According to a new report from Gartner, only 1.6 million wireless phones with the Windows Phone 7 devices were sold in the first quarter of 2011. Gartner says that WP7 "devices launched at the end of 2010 failed to grow in consumer preference and CSPs continued to focus on Android." Overall 3.6 million phones sold during the first quarter used some kind of Windows mobile OS. Even though Microsoft is well behind, Gartner still believes that the deal with Nokia to provide WP7 for future Nokia phones will help, saying, "In the long term, Nokia's support will accelerate Windows Phone's momentum."

Google's Android OS continues to dominate the phone market, according to Gartner's study. 36.3 million phones with that operating system were sold worldwide during the first quarter of this year. Nokia's Symbian OS is still second with 27.6 million phones sold with that operating system. In third place is Apple's iOS which sold 16.9 million phones in the first quarter. Finally RIM is in a solid fourth place with 13 million phones sold in the first quarter.

Overall, 428 million mobile phones were sold worldwide in the first quarter of 2011, which Gartner says is a 19 percent increase from the same period a year ago. Nokia remains the number one seller of mobile phones with over 107 million phones sold worldwide. Samsung comes in at number two with over 68 million phones followed by LG with nearly 24 million phones, Apple with over 16.8 million phones sold and RIM with 13 million phones.

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Android rules the bottom. Apple rules the top. RIM's in the enterprise (and currently bleeding.)

Where does that leave Windows Phone 2007? Between a rock and Google.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

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Android rules the bottom. Apple rules the top. RIM's in the enterprise (and currently bleeding.)

Where does that leave Windows Phone 2007? Between a rock and Google.

LTD you are showing how little you understand about the smart phone market.

Android has a lot of high end phones that sell really well. There is no middle ground in smart phone left as people either go cheap or high end. Android High end is doing really well.

Also 1.6 mil for an OS that is pretty new is very good and is shows WP7 is starting to take off. A year ago Android only ship 5 mil phones during the 1Q this year 36 mil and took top spot away from Nokia symba OS. That is a pretty huge growth in under a year and shows you that WP7 is young and already showing promises in growing quickly.

 

[*LTD*]

The moment's gone

LTD you are showing how little you understand about the smart phone market.

Android has a lot of high end phones that sell really well. There is no middle ground in smart phone left as people either go cheap or high end. Android High end is doing really well.

Also 1.6 mil for an OS that is pretty new is very good and is shows WP7 is starting to take off. A year ago Android only ship 5 mil phones during the 1Q this year 36 mil and took top spot away from Nokia symba OS. That is a pretty huge growth in under a year and shows you that WP7 is young and already showing promises in growing quickly.

It was released October 21st 2010. If it hasn't been a revolutionary blockbuster hit since then, it isn't going to be. And that is exactly what you need to set apart from Apple and Google. There's just no Wow.

WP7 isn't Android. Google already ate MS' lunch. The entire WP7 platform is redundant. MS came in way too late with way too little. Sound familiar? It's an alternative to the others, absolutely. But it really offers nothing special to set it apart en masse.

You're right, a year ago Android wasn't selling much and then it took off later. The market was wide open for an iPhone alternative. Google took MS' seat. It's a little too late now. Why bother with a WP7 device when you can already get your pick of the Android litter or an iPhone, or even a Blackberry?

This pointless project will be ****-canned in less than two years. I just wonder what will happen to Nokia.

 

[yg17]

LTD you are showing how little you understand about the smart phone market.

Android has a lot of high end phones that sell really well. There is no middle ground in smart phone left as people either go cheap or high end. Android High end is doing really well.

Also 1.6 mil for an OS that is pretty new is very good and is shows WP7 is starting to take off. A year ago Android only ship 5 mil phones during the 1Q this year 36 mil and took top spot away from Nokia symba OS. That is a pretty huge growth in under a year and shows you that WP7 is young and already showing promises in growing quickly.

I'm not sure why you try to reason with him anymore. I gave up and added him to my ignore list so I don't have to read his biased posts anymore, I suggest you do the same. It's better for your mental health.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

It was released October 21st 2010. If it hasn't been a revolutionary blockbuster hit since then, it isn't going to be. And that is exactly what you need to set apart from Apple and Google. There's just no Wow.

WP7 isn't Android. Google already ate MS' lunch. The entire WP7 platform is redundant. MS came in way too late with way to little. It's an alternative to the others, absolutely. But it really offers nothing special to set it apart.

This project will be ****-canned in less than two years. I just wonder what will happen to Nokia.

again you are showing how little you understand the market. MS knows it is going to be a long fight. They have a history of using their deep pockets to break into/back into a market. They broke into the Game counsel market and day one they said 10 years to break even best case.
in about 6 months time hitting 1.6 million in a quarter is pretty good. MS will not be cancelling the project. They already have plans for a Windows Phone 8. SO it is not going anywhere any time soon.

Also it has a far amount of stuff that sets it appart and does things really well. The live tiles from my understanding are pretty good and from what little I have played with one I can see a huge amount of potentional in those and personally know some people who would love the phone's design and OS layout. It gives them everything they want and nothing they don't want. Compared to iOS that is well lacking heavily in giving them what they want (info at a glance) and gives them tons crap they do not want.

 

[roadbloc]

I'd quit while you're ahead. Let him think what he wants to think. I just wish he wouldn't post this inane rubbish constantly.

Android has the bottom, iOS has the top? Give me a break. Android has both.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I'd quit while you're ahead. Let him think what he wants to think. I just wish he wouldn't post this inane rubbish constantly.

Android has the bottom, iOS has the top? Give me a break. Android has both.

yep. that is true.
One thing I think that is hurting WP7 is they really do not have any high end or low end phones. The ones I have seen are in the middle tear in terms of price and power. Problem is that is the no mans land in terms of smart phones. People either are going to go high end or they are going to cheap and get free-50 bucks. at the 99 price point that is the no mans land area. To much for the cheap skates and the smarter people know if you are going to hold on to it for 18-24 months might as well pay the extra and go higher end as it is pretty minor in terms of cost per month extra when you spread it out over 18-24 months.

WP7 really needs some high end phones that sell for around 200 on contract.

 

[ChazUK]

yep. that is true.
One thing I think that is hurting WP7 is they really do not have any high end or low end phones. The ones I have seen are in the middle tear in terms of price and power.

The current generation of WP7 phones are a generation behind the current iPhone and are a few generations behind the likes of the SGS 2 and some of the Tegra powered handsets. With the next iPhone revision due, it looks like it will remain behind.

The new version finally moves past the original 1GHz Snapdragon and allows for either the 800MHz MSM7x30 chip from a phone like the T-Mobile G2 (HTC Desire Z) or the second-generation 1GHz MSM8x55 chip common across much of HTC's current lineup, like the Inspire 4G or the Incredible S.

Read more: http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/04/14/microsoft.widens.wp7.spec.to.include/#ixzz1MovSgjrf

The current gen hardware as far as I know is Nexus One level & the second gen will probably be behind by the time they are released.

It's great that Microsoft can set hardware requirements like they can but setting limits so behind when the competition can move so fast makes me think they'll struggle with (what I percieve to be) the high end.

 

[roadbloc]

The current generation of WP7 phones are a generation behind the current iPhone and are a few generations behind the likes of the SGS 2 and some of the Tegra powered handsets. With the next iPhone revision due, it looks like it will remain behind.

With the power of Nokia behind the WP7 platform, I don't see this being a problem in the future.

 

[ChazUK]

With the power of Nokia behind the WP7 platform, I don't see this being a problem in the future.

If Nokia retains their current 27.4% marketshare and converts all those people to WP7 it will be exceptional for the platform.

As it stands today even 20% of Nokia's marketshare would put WP7 above apple (depending on where the other 7% went). the Nokia/Microsoft deal is a good one I do agree.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

The current gen hardware as far as I know is Nexus One level & the second gen will probably be behind by the time they are released.

It's great that Microsoft can set hardware requirements like they can but setting limits so behind when the competition can move so fast makes me think they'll struggle with (what I percieve to be) the high end.

I would think of it more as a Galaxy S level which is more in line with the Nexus S level. Nexus ONe is even father behind.
That is what the mid tear is at right now. The lack of high end I think is a problem. Add in the fact that MS got onto HTC case for putting in 32 bit color screen which is above the 16 bit requirement. WP7 does not support the full 32 bit coloring yet. It more because MS want the feel to be the same across all phones but I think the next update have NoDo will solve that problem (Meeko I think). WP7 REALLY and I mean REALLY needs some high end hardware in terms of screen size, Resolution and power.

I expect LG will bring out some pretty good things and in the Android side I know LG is pushing some major limits and I expect them to do the same for WP7. Providing Nokia can get some US carrier support they will bring in some really good things as well in the high end playing field as well that more people will see.
Samsugn will bring some stuff in as well.

 

[neiltc13]

I don't know where the idea that Windows Phone 7 is "behind" in hardware came from. I bought a Samsung Omnia 7 and it has the best screen I've seen on any handheld device and the phone is more than capable of running everything I've tried on it.

 

[ChazUK]

I would think of it more as a Galaxy S level which is more in line with the Nexus S level.

I was under the impression the first gen handsets were 1ghz Snapdragons with Adreno200 GPU's? The Galaxy S's SGX540 runs rings around the Adreno 200.

That's what really puts me off of the current crop of WP7 phones. The Adreno 205 will be a nice addition to the WP7 phones.

 

[AAPLaday]

Love my WP7. Mango will be great too. The Zune Media player rocks and i really love live tiles. Some of the new concepts for rotating live tiles look fantastic too.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

I just wanna throw in there, you can get an iPhone 3gs from AT&T for... free. If that's not the low end, especially compared to $200 Droid X's, I don't know what is.

and I really hope that WP7 takes off with the Mango update. From what I've seen of the developer emails I've received, it looks like MS is planning another marketing push this summer to capture any back-to-school sales.

I hope it works, it's really a superb OS/platform.

 

[iWinning]

A lot of good posts in here! (Besides *LTD*)

 

[AAPLaday]

Plus i like the fact that MS have gone to the trouble to make the Windows 7 Phone connector app, which is in the app store. Works a treat and means i don't have to mess about when syncing media/photos to my device.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I was under the impression the first gen handsets were 1ghz Snapdragons with Adreno200 GPU's? The Galaxy S's SGX540 runs rings around the Adreno 200.

That's what really puts me off of the current crop of WP7 phones. The Adreno 205 will be a nice addition to the WP7 phones.

I might be wrong there. Looking at the price point is kind of were I guess were they fall and a the 99 with contract is in line with the Galaxy S/Nexus S and from what I have seen in their specs it just seemed like a mid tear phone.

The OS shows a huge amount of promise and it is clearly targeting more of the average consumer. A good friend of mine I know she would love WP7 OS. She and I were talking about it recently and she agree with me that she would love it and chances are I would hate using it. When I played with it in the store certain things just bugged me about it and grated me the wrong way. These are minor things and things that would not bother most people. Other limitation in it come from my geeky side and customizing side so I am not in the target market. I got an Atrix for my phone and bluntly I am not using a single motoblur widget or function. Biggest pain I had was cleaning up my contacts when I first got it. Big time since AT&T transferred then all over so I had double of everything. Nothing a quick factor reset could not fix.
I am hoping that when they push the another update to the Atrix I can get the newer motoblur as it set up has a lot of the function the current one is missing in terms of the launcher. I am not so sure of Launcher pro or ADW in what little I have played with them.

Either way back on WP7 the one that has the stero speakers from AT&T(either LG or HTC) I thought was pretty cool. Samgsung WP7 was pretty nice as well just things about the OS just did not sit well with me.

I fully expect once Mango roles out things will get even better. Add to the fact MS is really supporting the Unlocker/Jailbreaker crews out there unlike Apple.

In June I will get a lot more of the nuts and bolts of the OS in the dev side as my school is offering a dev boot camp to students that I signed up for. First one filed up very quickly so I could not make it. I was glad the school and MS decided to offer another one over the summer and I with in 5 mins of the email about it being sent out I was signed up. I am looking forward to it. I know a lot of things I learn there I can apply to any mobile OS.

 

[Dooger]

A lot of good posts in here! (Besides *LTD*)

Haha, yep. Another *ltd* fail thread. He appears to be "Zuning it™" when it comes to provoking anti-MS fury. Makes you wonder why he gives a crap.

As for WP7, I was in an O2 shop at the w/e to convert my iPhone tariff and played around with one of the WP7 display phones while I was waiting. Can't be sure but I think it was a Samsung, anyway, I was pleasantly surprised by the whole thing (esp the huge screen and the fact that MS Office came installed).

Really made me question whether or not to go for iPhone 5. There aren't any iPhone-specific apps that I'm totally tied to and I'm really really bored with the iPhone UI (ironic when you think that *ltd* calls it Windows Phone 2007 yet cunningly forgets that the iPhone UI is the same as that released in.....2007!).

 

[*LTD*]

With the power of Nokia behind the WP7 platform, I don't see this being a problem in the future.

What power? Nokia has *lost* in 2007 what power they ever had. They have ASSETS - namely, mobile patents and hardware. But they have been shown to know sweet f all when it comes to releasing products to compete with Apple and Google.

Nokia has demonstrated they have absolutely nothing competitive to offer in the new smartphone landscape, which is part of the reason they're in the embarrassing position they're in now, having to partner with - ironically - a company nearly as incompetent as they are. But if you've ever read Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo talk about the mobile biz in recent years, you wouldn't be surprised.

Nokia have some decent hardware that's great for dumbphones, and Nokia sells a lot of those, but they are and have been wholly outclassed in the smartphone realm. Nokia was and still is in serious decline. They're the laughing stock of the mobile industry, having already admitted publicly that they've been beaten, they they've lost their way, and that maybe their biggest problem was "poor execution." ROFL. So they're delusional as well.

Shares from 40 cents to 8 cents in about three years.

For the time being, MS has unfettered access to a lot of dumbphones that run bad software (Symbian.)

Not quite an advantage. It's a very wait-and-see game until 2012, if the WP7 platform even lasts that long and if they actually release working devices (that is, without update f-ups) on schedule.

 

[roadbloc]

What power? Nokia has *lost* in 2007 what power they ever had. They have ASSETS - namely, mobile patents and hardware. But they have been shown to know sweet f all when it comes to releasing products to compete with Apple and Google.

Nokia don't need to compete at the moment. They are currently relying on the renowned reliability of their products. True, they can't do that forever. And they won't.

Nokia has demonstrated they have absolutely nothing competitive to offer in the new smartphone landscape, which is part of the reason they're in the embarrassing position they're in now, having to partner with - ironically - a company nearly as incompetent as they are. But if you've ever read Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo talk about the mobile biz in recent years, you wouldn't be surprised.

Are you kidding? Without Nokia, mobile phones would be no where near as brilliant as they are today. Nokia pushed and innovated the mobile market in a way no-one had ever seen before, before Apple were even selling iPods. Apple have done hardly anything to the mobile market compared to Nokia.

Nokia have some decent hardware that's great for dumbphones, and Nokia sells a lot of those, but they are and have been wholly outclassed in the smartphone realm. Nokia was and still is in serious decline. They're the laughing stock of the mobile industry, having already admitted publicly that they've been beaten, they they've lost their way, and that maybe their biggest problem was "poor execution." ROFL. So they're delusional as well.

I'm not even gonna bother with this one. Have you ever owned a Nokia phone? You're the delusional one here.

Shares from 40 cents to 8 cents in about three years.

Yeah, because share price is everything. I guess that is why Nokia are still number 1 in the smartphone market.

For the time being, MS has unfettered access to a lot of dumbphones that run bad software (Symbian.)

Symbian is not bad software. It is just old. Nokia did miss a trick, they laid on their lorals for some time, because they were so far ahead of everyone else. Even when Apple first hit the scene with the 1st iPhone, Symbian had apps, multitasking and video calling. The most recent iPhone has only just managed to get all three of them, three years on.

Not quite an advantage. It's a very wait-and-see game until 2012, if the WP7 platform even lasts that long and if they actually release working devices (that is, without update f-ups) on schedule.

Very much an advantage. The brilliance of WP7 + the reliability of the Nokia brand. Face it, Microsoft have pretty much bagged a winner, and Nokia are ensuring they are keeping a firm hold of the lead.

I, personally, don't see what you have against Nokia. For years they have gone with the Apple idea of making your own software for your hardware, which you have loved so much. Only difference in the future is, is that Microsoft will be making the software for them. Since MS is being very strict on WP7 system requirements, and Nokia release nothing less of a polished product, I'd say things will remain just as good.

Oh, let me guess, Nokia stole that idea from Apple.

 

[dejo]

I just wanna throw in there, you can get an iPhone 3gs from AT&T for... free.

How do you get them to waive the $49?

 

[KingCrimson]

Just wait until Mango update, that's gonna set the world on fire!

 

[*LTD*]

Face it, Microsoft have pretty much bagged a winner, and Nokia are ensuring they are keeping a firm hold of the lead.

iCal'd. See you in a year on this one.

 

[neiltc13]

How do you get them to waive the $49?

No idea, but if you ask Orange or Vodafone or O2 or 3 they'll happily give you an iPhone 4 for free if you agree to their monthly plan.