Zuning it: 1.6 million Windows Phone 7 products sold in first quarter

[SevenInchScrew]

When people say "SGS II hardware", are they referring to chassis/design or the internal components also (hummingbird dual core 1.2GHz + Mali GPU)?

Everything I've read suggests that WP7 would be a Qualcomm Snapdragon only affair with 2nd gen Snapdragons and the Adreno 205 GPU.

http://iphone.electronista.com/articles/11/04/14/microsoft.widens.wp7.spec.to.include/

I would be truly surprised to see such a leap from today's hardware to SGS II hardware!

That was why I was excited about that rumor. I mean, the current gen hardware is plenty fast, but in sheer numbers, the new Exynos CPU/Mali GPU combo is just a monster (not Hummingbird any more). Basically, if there was a WP7 with the SGSII internals and screen, I'd be in heaven. You are probably right, and they'll stick with Qualcomm, but I can dream, can't I??

 

[ChazUK]

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When people say "SGS II hardware", are they referring to chassis/design or the internal components also (hummingbird dual core 1.2GHz + Mali GPU)?

Everything I've read suggests that WP7 would be a Qualcomm Snapdragon only affair with 2nd gen Snapdragons and the Adreno 205 GPU.

http://iphone.electronista.com/articles/11/04/14/microsoft.widens.wp7.spec.to.include/

I would be truly surprised to see such a leap from today's hardware to SGS II hardware!

That was why I was excited about that rumor. I mean, the current gen hardware is plenty fast, but in sheer numbers, the new Exynos CPU/Mali GPU combo is just a monster (not Hummingbird any more). Basically, if there was a WP7 with the SGSII internals and screen, I'd be in heaven. You are probably right, and they'll stick with Qualcomm, but I can dream, can't I??

Well the dual core Snapdragons are due to hit soon aren't they? That'd be a nice alternative!

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I think its premature to judge an unreleased OS against a year old OS. To be fair you would need to compare Mango against iOS5. We'll be hearing some of the details of iOS5 at WWDC so at that point it will be a fair comparison.

and you really expect OS5 to change much from now. There has not been much change in the over all iOS since day one. They added a few features but for the most part is been the same.

 

[TheSideshow]

and you really expect OS5 to change much from now. There has not been much change in the over all iOS since day one. They added a few features but for the most part is been the same.

Hopefully more cloud integration and better HTML5 performance.

The biggest problem for iOS IMO is the UI and the reliance on one home button for navigation.

 

[roadbloc]

and you really expect OS5 to change much from now. There has not been much change in the over all iOS since day one. They added a few features but for the most part is been the same.

As long as there is an easier way to switch bluetooth on and off, and they fix home sharing as it is the buggiest thing in the word, I'm happy.

 

[maflynn]

and you really expect OS5 to change much from now. There has not been much change in the over all iOS since day one. They added a few features but for the most part is been the same.

Not really to be honest, sure apple will provide some minor enhancements but nothing really compelling. Still comparing an unreleased OS update against a year old OS isn't really fair.

 

[neiltc13]

And this is good news ??

It's just a statement. Why do you always have to decide whether something is "good" or "bad"?

 

[SevenInchScrew]

Well the dual core Snapdragons are due to hit soon aren't they? That'd be a nice alternative!

Yea, I guess if they don't get the Exynos, then the new 8x60 Snappys will have to do. Early benchmarks, though, show the Exynos topping them in pure CPU power. Granted, we're talking about a really powerful processor compared to a really REALLY powerful processor, but more power is always welcome.

The event is over now, and no new hardware was shown, so I guess we still wait.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Not really to be honest, sure apple will provide some minor enhancements but nothing really compelling. Still comparing an unreleased OS update against a year old OS isn't really fair.

In theory yes but in Apples case I feel it is fair game because we have 3 OS updates on iOS so it is fairly easy to predict what will changed and safe answer is nothing. I do not expect to see anything really added in the next version.

 

[maflynn]

In theory yes but in Apples case I feel it is fair game because we have 3 OS updates on iOS so it is fairly easy to predict what will changed and safe answer is nothing. I do not expect to see anything really added in the next version.

That's the sad part. I think apple is playing it safe but also they seem to do tiny little updates.

Given that the UI is dated and restrictive, the features are subpar compared to all the other mobile OSs (widgets, home screens, better multitasking etc) I'm hoping apple will break out of its comfort zone and give us something more then a tweak or two.

 

[roadbloc]

That's the sad part. I think apple is playing it safe but also they seem to do tiny little updates.

Given that the UI is dated and restrictive, the features are subpar compared to all the other mobile OSs (widgets, home screens, better multitasking etc) I'm hoping apple will break out of its comfort zone and give us something more then a tweak or two.

Unfortunately, I don't see Apple doing this as they are only just getting round to iOSifying OS X. If they iOS dramatically, the whole "bringing the magic of the iPad" thing to OS X would be pointless.

 

[*LTD*]

Dell's gone. Who's next?

http://www.neowin.net/news/dell-pulls-the-plug-on-windows-phone-for-now

 

[ChazUK]

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The loss of Dell will be easily offset by the recent support of Toshiba and ZTE introducing WP7 hardware.
Lenovo and Huawei are supposed to be jumping on board too.

With ZTE and Huawei fueling the low end, there could be some great affordable WP7 handsets available to consumers.

The loss of Dell isn't the end of the world. Had Samsung or HTC dropped wp7, that would be significant.

 

[yg17]

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The loss of Dell will be easily offset by the recent support of Toshiba and ZTE introducing WP7 hardware.
Lenovo and Huawei are supposed to be jumping on board too.

With ZTE and Huawei fueling the low end, there could be some great affordable WP7 handsets available to consumers.

The loss of Dell isn't the end of the world. Had Samsung or HTC dropped wp7, that would be significant.

Exactly. Dell had one Windows Phone. They're not even a drop in the bucket.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Exactly. Dell had one Windows Phone. They're not even a drop in the bucket.

on top of that Dell has never really been a major player in the cell phone market. They never have really been picked up by the carriers. They release something now and then to try it. It is kind of a story of LTD trying to make something out of nothing.

 

[boss.king]

Dell's gone. Who's next?

http://www.neowin.net/news/dell-pulls-the-plug-on-windows-phone-for-now

Gone for now, not forever. Not that they were ever really there to begin with.

That doesn’t mean that they won’t ever produce another Windows Phone device, but for the time being, Dell is passing on the opportunity.

There's no need to add your own touch of sensationalism to things like this.

 

[*LTD*]

The Zune legacy spreads to Nokia

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...eport-of-lower-than-expected-lumia-sales.html

Nokia shares fall on anemic "Lumia" Windows Phone sales

“Nokia Oyj declined as much as 6 percent after analysts said the company’s first Windows Phones shipments were lower than expected,” Diana ben-Aaron reports for Bloomberg.

“Nokia may have shipped less than 1 million units for the quarter, with sales to customers of less than 500,000, James Faucette and other Pacific Crest Securities Inc. analysts wrote in a report dated yesterday,” ben-Aaron reports. “Nokia announced the 420 euro ($568) Lumia 800 and 270 euro Lumia 710 last month for shipment this quarter.”

The number is also far lower than estimates for the company's previous flagship smartphone, the N8, which launched in October 2010 and is thought to have sold between 3.5 and 4m units in its first quarter, according to research firm Inderes.

Early indications that the Lumia is not a comeback product to topple the dominance of Apple and Google's best-selling Android operating system saw Nokia's shares close down 8.8% at €4.19 (£3.61) on the Helsinki bourse.

ben-Aaron reports, “Nokia traded 5.5 percent lower at 4.34 euros as of 11:32 a.m. in Helsinki. That was the third-biggest slide on the Stoxx Europe 600 Price Index.”

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• We’re way ahead of them [Apple.] – Chris Weber, President of Nokia Inc. (US) Head of Markets, North America, calling Apple’s iOS “outdated.” – August 10, 2011

• Apple’s iPhone is a “niche product.” – (Former) Nokia CEO Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, April 17, 2008

http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/51494-microsoft-employees-dance-at-mock-iphone-funeral

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Another turkey, and just in time for Thanksgiving.

Nokia and MS needed to make a huge splash to get noticed and be taken seriously. Instead, once again, we see something barely adequate, ridiculously late, and totally uninspired, which = barely noticed.

At least this turkey isn't brown.

 

[garybUK]

you know, in Europe, where Nokia is from we have Turkey for christmas and we do not celebrate Thanks Giving, so keep your ridiculous quips to yourself.

On Topic..... its clearly a diseased move for Nokia to go with Windows Phone, Stephen Elop is just bad bad bad for that company, they should have stuck to MeeGo and built an ecosystem, it's not like they chose a platform with an established ecosystem anyway.... I hate to say this because I loathe Google, but even Android would have been better!

 

[ChazUK]

Not sure what to believe but Nokia have responded.

http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-windows-phones-sales-were-off-to-an-excellent-start/

“Lumia 800 sales in the U.K. are off to an excellent start,”
“Based on earliest data, the sales start of the Lumia 800 is the best ever first week of Nokia smart phone sales in the U.K. in recent history,” . “By our measures, we have gained significant smartphone sell-out share in the channels in which we are operating in the U.K.,” Nokia spokesman James Etheridge said.
“While it is not our policy to disclose individual product sales figures outside our quarterly financial results, we feel there has been premature sales analysis on the performance of the Lumia 800,” Etheridge said.
“Given our deliberate, sequenced roll out across countries and with future launches ahead, this is a critical metric for long-term success,” Etheridge said.

When was the launch date? (A quick search lead me to November 16th in the UK)

If it was the 16th, isn't 7 days of sales a little too soon to be making such estimates?

 

[roadbloc]

LOL. These so called "analysts" opinions are not even worth looking at I find.

 

[ChazUK]

LOL. These so called "analysts" opinions are not even worth looking at I find.

My favourite recent analyst spew was this:

http://www.bgr.com/2011/09/26/deuts...5-and-low-cost-iphone-4s-due-in-coming-weeks/

Apple will unveil two new iPhone models next month, an all new iPhone 5 and a revamped iPhone 4 that will address the entry-level smartphone market

I'd love it if every analyst was called out whenever wrong or, even better, someone was able to compile a league table of analysts so we could sort out the wheat from the chaff that gets outed as actual news.

 

[decafjava]

I'd love it if every analyst was called out whenever wrong or, even better, someone was able to compile a league table of analysts so we could sort out the wheat from the chaff that gets outed as actual news.

I'd support this for sure!

 

[Stella]

All indications are that Nokia Lumia sales have been good:
Great sales in UK and Franch, sell out in Netherlands:
http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-800-sold-out-at-some-orange-stores/
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/11/18/nokia-lumia-800-sells-out-in-the-netherlands/
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/11/04/sales-of-nokia-lumia-800-tops-charts-in-france/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/11/23/n...k-sales-excellent-best-ever-first-week-nokia/

This is on the back of analysts claim that Nokia Microsoft strategy has already failed...

 

[*LTD*]

All indications are that Nokia Lumia sales have been good:
Great sales in UK and Franch, sell out in Netherlands:
http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-800-sold-out-at-some-orange-stores/
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/11/18/nokia-lumia-800-sells-out-in-the-netherlands/
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/11/04/sales-of-nokia-lumia-800-tops-charts-in-france/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/11/23/n...k-sales-excellent-best-ever-first-week-nokia/

This is on the back of analysts claim that Nokia Microsoft strategy has already failed...

This aint an Apple product, where purported strong early sales mean that's the norm going forward. Wait for the share numbers. MS' strategy has been failing for a year now.

From November 2010:

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/11/03/windows_phone_sold_out/

Meant absolutely nothing.

Remember this?

http://gizmodo.com/5363270/zune-hd-quickly-selling-out-at-amazon-newegg-best-buy-and-more

Ended up getting canned, after MS beat that dead horse way too long.

This phone turned out so well . . . that Nokia ended up adopting some version of Windows for their phones:

http://www.esphoneblog.com/2010/11/06/nokia-n8-sold-out-next-shipment-in-december/

 

[ravenvii]

This aint an Apple product, where purported strong early sales mean that's the norm going forward. Wait for the share numbers. MS' strategy has been failing for a year now.

From November 2010:

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/11/03/windows_phone_sold_out/

Meant absolutely nothing.

Remember this?

http://gizmodo.com/5363270/zune-hd-quickly-selling-out-at-amazon-newegg-best-buy-and-more

Ended up getting canned, after MS beat that dead horse way too long.

This phone turned out so well . . . that Nokia ended up adopting some version of Windows for their phones:

http://www.esphoneblog.com/2010/11/06/nokia-n8-sold-out-next-shipment-in-december/

Or... maybe the Nokia Lumia is an actually good, well-designed phone?

Nah, can't be that, it's Microsoft, after all, they always fail. Right?