Zuning it: 1.6 million Windows Phone 7 products sold in first quarter

[*LTD*]

Or... maybe the Nokia Lumia is an actually good, well-designed phone?

The Zune HD also was purportedly a "well-designed" media player. I recall the Palm Pre getting its share of warm and fuzzy comments. But a lot of other factors make themselves felt, including timing.

I've developed a healthy suspicion of everyone's early numbers except Apple's. You'd be well-served to do that too.

The competition hasn't exactly done a lot to inspire confidence. Have to wait a quarter to see if the needle moves up from the "other" category.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

The Zune HD also was purportedly a "well-designed" media player. I recall the Palm Pre getting its share of warm and fuzzy comments. But a lot of other factors make themselves felt, including timing.

I've developed a healthy suspicion of everyone's early numbers except Apple's. You'd be well-served to do that too.

The competition hasn't exactly done a lot to inspire confidence. Have to wait a quarter to see if the needle moves up from the "other" category.

And this post is proof that you bash anything not Apple and do not understand anything your post.
Standard Apple great. Not apple suck.
Something that is not true.
The smart phone OS will break down in the end to be Android, iOS and windows phone. iOS will be 3rd in the end.
It was only a few years ago Android was single digits in market share and now over 50%.

 

[Stella]

This aint an Apple product, where purported strong early sales mean that's the norm going forward. Wait for the share numbers. MS' strategy has been failing for a year now.

From November 2010:

http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/11/03/windows_phone_sold_out/

Meant absolutely nothing.

Remember this?

http://gizmodo.com/5363270/zune-hd-quickly-selling-out-at-amazon-newegg-best-buy-and-more

Ended up getting canned, after MS beat that dead horse way too long.

This phone turned out so well . . . that Nokia ended up adopting some version of Windows for their phones:

http://www.esphoneblog.com/2010/11/06/nokia-n8-sold-out-next-shipment-in-december/

Most of these links are irrevent, I don't know why you bothered ; especially the last one - Elop, from microsoft, changed directions, *after* this article was written. Before , Elop, Nokia were going to concentrate on Meego - which has been proved to be a great smartphone OS, as per the reviews of the
N9. A solid phone indeed.

Its been years since the courts found microsoft guilty of abusing its poisition - its competitors weren't strong enough to dethrown microsoft. They had ample chances. Apple have failed to improve its position in the work place, its been forced to cancel x-serves and a whole host of 'pro' hardware and software( a shame ), the Mac Pro is on the chopping board. The PC is still well alive, despite what ever SJ said.

microsoft's strategy, well - its o/s still outsells OSX by a gapping margin, Kinetic going strong, as is the XBox. Sure, microsoft have had failures, but then so have apple.

 

[ChazUK]

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Or... maybe the Nokia Lumia is an actually good, well-designed phone?

The Zune HD also was purportedly a "well-designed" media player. I recall the Palm Pre getting its share of warm and fuzzy comments. But a lot of other factors make themselves felt, including timing.

I've developed a healthy suspicion of everyone's early numbers except Apple's. You'd be well-served to do that too.

The competition hasn't exactly done a lot to inspire confidence. Have to wait a quarter to see if the needle moves up from the "other" category.

It's very strange that you are critical of early sales figures direct from the horses mouth yet you are not at all critical of analyst views when analysts have been known to get things very wrong.

Is there any logical reason to believe the guesswork of an analyst over a company press release? yes I know companies tart things up when things aren't good, but analysts have been known to make some disparaging predictions too)

 

[buckers]

To be honest, I really like that phone! If I weren't locked into a contract, I'd seriously consider it.

 

[thewitt]

The headline here is interesting when juxtaposed with iPhone 4S - the unwanted phone - sales.

1.7 million iPhone 4S' sold in the first week...

 

[ChazUK]

More Analyst predictions for Nokia.

http://m.bgr.com/2011/11/25/nokia-to-sell-2-million-lumia-phones-in-q4-deutsche-bank-says/

Fourth-quarter sales of Nokia’s new Lumia line of smartphones will reach 2 million units, Deutsche Bank reaffirmed this week. Nokia’s stock took a hit this week as a number of analysts cast a shadow on its debut Windows Phone-powered smartphones. Pacific Crest’s James Faucette cut his sales estimates this quarter from 2 million units to just 500,000, and Bernstein Research analyst Pierre Ferragu said the phones were too expensive and lacked innovation. Analysts at Deutshe Bank disagreed, however, reiterating earlier sales estimates of 2 million Lumia phones this quarter. No doubt bolstered by an Xbox promotion, Nokia announced earlier this week that its flagship Lumia 800 was sold out in the United Kingdom. Nokia has not yet announced its plans for Windows Phone devices in the U.S., though the vendor is widely expected to launch its Lumia 800 and several additional models in the U.S. in early 2012.

This time, not so dire (not "Zuning it"?).

 

[Bernard SG]

More Analyst predictions for Nokia.

http://m.bgr.com/2011/11/25/nokia-to-sell-2-million-lumia-phones-in-q4-deutsche-bank-says/



This time, not so dire (not "Zuning it"?).

Analysts predicted that Xoom, Playbook, HP Touchpad, Galaxy Tab would destroy iPad, so...

2 millions units in a quarter, that's nothing to boast about, unless you're a no-name Android handset maker.WP7, to be relevant as a platform, needs to sell through several tens of Milion units annually.

 

[Naimfan]

I'm curious as to how people think Windows Phone "x" (WPx)will compete with Android and iOS. In looking through a variety of financial reports, from both the companies themselves and from analyst/observers like Gartner, it does not seem as if WPx is gaining any traction or making any inroads as far as sales to consumers go.

While I can certainly appreciate the argument that Microsoft has the resources to be in a particular field for a long time before earning profits (the Xbox example is a good one), the challenge that I see is that the mobile phone market moves much more quickly than Microsoft has shown an ability to keep up with, and Microsoft lacks the brand loyalty in phones that Apple enjoys (Android being so ubiquitous and widespread that it seems to adapt on the fly).

Ultimately I hope we continue to have at least three options - iOS, Android, and WPx, because having three competitors will help to drive consumer costs down, increase innovation, and make things progress better than with just two.

 

[*LTD*]

Here's where the rubber meets the road.

It's interesting to note that after the heady liquor of CES, we're back to reality.

http://www.neowin.net/news/sprint-not-a-huge-fan-of-windows-phone-devices

Sprint not a huge fan of Windows Phone devices

If you want to get a new Windows Phone device in the US, your best bet is to go to AT&T or T-Mobile. The nation's biggest wireless carrier, Verizon Wireless, has not announced any plans to offer any of the new Windows Phone products from Nokia, HTC or Samsung on its service and neither has the nation's third largest wireless carrier Sprint.

In a chat at PCWorld.com during CES 2012, Sprint's vice president of product realization David Owens said, "We have a Windows device in our lineup (the older HTC Arrive, released in March 2011) but honestly, it hasn't done well enough for us to jump back into the fire. We told Microsoft: You guys have to go build the enthusiasm for the product. We'll train our reps on why it's great...[but] the number-one reason the product was returned was the user experience."

Another Sprint executive, director of product development Lois Fagan, added, "We want to participate in the market, but we can't build that brand by (ourselves). We're cautiously optimistic, but [Windows Phone] just hasn't taken off."

Owens said that if Sprint does release a new Windows Phone-based device, it won't happen until at least the "August-September time period." In the meantime, Sprint is going to be releasing a lot of new Android-based smartphones, including some that will connect to Sprint's LTE network which won't launch until later in 2012.

Sprint dumps WP7. Who's next?

Owens highlights the problem: it's been over a year and it's not appealing to consumers. If you've supposedly got a hit product, it shouldn't take over a year to get traction. In fact, it doesn't - not in the handheld market of 2012.

In this market, under such volatile conditions and in a situation where Apple and Google (the latter of whom has already captured the universal-licensing crown), if you don't make a major impact early and get consumers excited from the start, you'll be fighting an uphill battle.

It's been a year. MS needs to redefine the segment completely or walk.

MS' problem is characterized by the difference between Apple and MS (and the others) in the mobile space. Gruber put it very succinctly recently, and I'll paraphrase:

MS to carriers: Here's several hundred million dollars. Please sell our phones. Please??

Android OEMs to carriers: Here are our phones. What do you want us to change so that you will sell them?

Apple to carriers: Here's our new phone. It comes in black or white. We will allow you to sell it.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

So sprint is unhappy that there first windows phone 7 device did not sell well. A devices that was released in cell phone no man's and now is very out fated and under powered compared to the rest of the market. It is kind of a well duh result. The middle their of cell phones is dead. You have 200+ on contract and sub 50 on contract and if the phone is in between those they tend to do poorly. They are finally getting some high end phones out and windows phone will become the number 3 or number 2 phone os long term.
iOS will more than likely fall to number 3 and rim if they are lucky will survive and be number 4.

 

[DingleButt]

So sprint is unhappy that there first windows phone 7 device did not sell well. A devices that was released in cell phone no man's and now is very out fated and under powered compared to the rest of the market. It is kind of a well duh result. The middle their of cell phones is dead. You have 200+ on contract and sub 50 on contract and if the phone is in between those they tend to do poorly. They are finally getting some high end phones out and windows phone will become the number 3 or number 2 phone os long term.
iOS will more than likely fall to number 3 and rim if they are lucky will survive and be number 4.

What is interesting is they site poor user experience while the Arrive is 4.5/5 stars with over 250 reviews, better than the 4S.

 

[Bernard SG]

What is interesting is they site poor user experience while the Arrive is 4.5/5 stars with over 250 reviews, better than the 4S.

There are apparently at least 250 Microsoft employees who have purchased a HTC Arrive...

(Btw, when will those guys stop with those ridiculous handset names ? )

 

[smoledman]

To Microsoft's credit, the Zune application itself is a work of art and I consider it superior to iTunes(on OS X) in most ways.

 

[boss.king]

To Microsoft's credit, the Zune application itself is a work of art and I consider it superior to iTunes(on OS X) in most ways.

I agree, at least on Windows. My iTunes have recently given up on me, and refuses to respond after about 40 seconds, but Zune is snappy, pretty, and light on resources. I wish iTunes worked as well because it is simply my preference by default, but Zune is a very competent replacement (possibly for a while as my 3GS is dying)

 

[MorphingDragon]

I agree, at least on Windows. My iTunes have recently given up on me, and refuses to respond after about 40 seconds, but Zune is snappy, pretty, and light on resources. I wish iTunes worked as well because it is simply my preference by default, but Zune is a very competent replacement (possibly for a while as my 3GS is dying)

Zune doesn't have the Codec support I need for my collection. I use Songbird and Rythmbox.

 

[boss.king]

Zune doesn't have the Codec support I need for my collection. I use Songbird and Rythmbox.

I've never really understood codecs, guess I'm a bit of an idiot. That's unfortunate to hear though, hopefully they support them later in the year. Maybe email MSFT, they seem to be quite keen on listening to what people want in recent months.

 

[MorphingDragon]

I've never really understood codecs, guess I'm a bit of an idiot. That's unfortunate to hear though, hopefully they support them later in the year. Maybe email MSFT, they seem to be quite keen on listening to what people want in recent months.

When you encode raw waveform into an audio file format (MP3, AAC, WAV, ALAC etc), a codec is required do decode that file and re-generate the raw waveform.

 

[boss.king]

When you encode raw waveform into an audio file format (MP3, AAC, WAV, ALAC etc), a codec is required do decode that file and re-generate the raw waveform.

Thanks for explaining that, it's always good to learn something new . So if you don't mind me asking, what format do you use (or what codec is not supported?)

 

[MorphingDragon]

Thanks for explaining that, it's always good to learn something new . So if you don't mind me asking, what format do you use (or what codec is not supported?)

ALAC, last time I checked didn't work with Zune. Fedora 16 has taken its place as my main OS now so its really just for music while Im programming on Windows so Songbird suits me just fine.

- Wikipedia

 

[boss.king]

ALAC, last time I checked didn't work with Zune. Fedora 16 has taken its place as my main OS now so its really just for music while Im programming on Windows so Songbird suits me just fine.

Whatever works best for you. I do like that darker colour scheme rather than the white that Zune uses.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Whatever works best for you. I do like that darker colour scheme rather than the white that Zune uses.

I like Songbird more then Winamp. Winamp's UI is too cluttered IMO. Its just Jukebox software, doesn't need to be complicated.

 

[lsvtecjohn3]

So sprint is unhappy that there first windows phone 7 device did not sell well. A devices that was released in cell phone no man's and now is very out fated and under powered compared to the rest of the market. It is kind of a well duh result. The middle their of cell phones is dead. You have 200+ on contract and sub 50 on contract and if the phone is in between those they tend to do poorly. They are finally getting some high end phones out and windows phone will become the number 3 or number 2 phone os long term.
iOS will more than likely fall to number 3 and rim if they are lucky will survive and be number 4.

Explain to me whats the big deal with marker share. People act as if market share is the end all. Apple makes 2/3 of the the profit of all smartphones while having around 15% OS marketshare.

Please don't say that because these other OS have larger OS developers will develop for them first because thats not true at all. Developers make more money off iOS than another OS. So who cares if Android or WM7 ect. have a larger market share. Developers are going to iOS first because thats were the money at.