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VolceOntra

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Apr 25, 2007
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In Safari you can go back and forward through history by scrolling left or right anywhere on a website... It's pretty cool!
 

VolceOntra

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Apr 25, 2007
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Also in Safari you can zoom in any where on a site by double tapping (not clicking). This behaves like iOS.
 

baryon

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Oct 3, 2009
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In Safari you can go back and forward through history by scrolling left or right anywhere on a website... It's pretty cool!

How do you then scroll left and right on a page too large to display in its full width? Such as a large image?
Why is this not 3-finger swiping as it is on Snow Leopard?
 

JustARumor

macrumors member
Jul 9, 2008
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Phoenix, AZ, USA
Given that displays have already hit the retina limit - what would be the point of forcing vectorised graphics?

We've only hit the limit on a 3.5-inch display. What about 10-inch, 20-inch, 30-inch displays and beyond? When you're talking aout as many possibilities as we're entually looking at, along with the sheer number of things which have to support all those sizes (not just a couple of icons as is the case now, but every graphic in the app), the approach of storing many preselected sizes and picking the closest one becomes resource-intensive pretty quickly. Don't forget that every time you double a display's resolution, you quadruple the uncompressed storage and memory requirements of the largest sample, so a 100 KiB item for a 3-inch display will require 25 GiB for a 30-inch display; a 2 MiB item will require 512 GiB.

Now, of course, compression makes the growth a lot less linear in many cases, but you're still going to see explosive growth, and a major app can have hundreds or thousands of such resources. Are you prepared for app sizes measured in the hundreds of terabytes or even in petabytes? What about memory consumption at those levels? Now, consider the case of the user who has multiple monitors of differing sizes, say, a 20-inch and a 30-inch: in this case, you need to load two sets of these resources since neither would work well in place of the other (scaling down too far is just as ugly as scaling up too far).

The bottom line is that simply making the assets larger only gets you so far before it becomes too resource-intensive to be practical. In any computing era, a few hundred KiB of mathematically described images will always be preferred or petabytes or exabytes of the same, especially when the collection sizes of these pictures is what's ever-growing.
 

antmarobel

macrumors 6502a
May 8, 2009
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Brasília
Do not know if you already noticed it but in Safari: three fingers, three taps, the cursor on a word, brings a dictionary pop up showing the meaning of that specific word. But only for English, so far...
 

Cougarcat

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Sep 19, 2003
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How do you then scroll left and right on a page too large to display in its full width? Such as a large image?
Why is this not 3-finger swiping as it is on Snow Leopard?

It'll scroll the window first, and if you keep going, it'll go back a page. 3-finger swipe now switches spaces.
 

mrblack927

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Aug 19, 2008
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can i ask, if you - say - untick that option, reboot and try it again, will it remember what your previous setting was?

Nope. That was the first thing I looked for too because I prefer restarting my computer to actually restore it to a clean state. But no... the box is checked by default every time. I imagine this will probably change before the final release.

Are these applications still reachable from cmd-TAB?

Nope, it's just as if you quit the app manually which means it disappears from the dock if it wasn't one of your default dock applications and it no longer shows up in the cmd-tab menu.
 

mrblack927

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Aug 19, 2008
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How do you then scroll left and right on a page too large to display in its full width? Such as a large image?
Why is this not 3-finger swiping as it is on Snow Leopard?
It'll scroll the window first, and if you keep going, it'll go back a page. 3-finger swipe now switches spaces.

Correct, but I want to add that you can still use 3 finger swipe to navigate, and 4 finger swipe to switch spaces, if that's how you set it up in system prefs. Mine is set up like this:

  • 4 finger swipe: switch spaces
  • 3 finger swipe: navigate, the normal Snow Leopard way
  • 2 finger swipe: navigate with the new fancy "page turn" style

It's just my opinion of course, but I will say that after using it for a while, I much prefer 3 finger swipe for navigation. The reason is it ends up being much faster. The thing about the new "page turn" navigation is that what you see when you start to swipe back isn't actually the previous web page. It's an image of the previous webpage. What Safari does essentially is take a screenshot of each page as you surf the web and shows those screenshots as you're swiping left and right so that it's a smooth transition (live webpages would take much more memory and likely be very choppy). Then, when you settle on a page, it reloads that page in the background and seamlessly replaces the image with the actual page. The problem is most people expect the page to be usable as soon as the swipe to it. It's not. You cant click anything, you can't even scroll. It is after all, just an image. So you basically have to swipe, then wait, then click or whatever. With the Snow Leopard style navigation, the page begins to load as soon as you swipe, and you only "see" the page once it has actually loaded.

That being said, I am aware that this is a beta (and the first one at that), and that Apple could really polish this feature up before launch. It's just that right now, it's little more than a cool marketing gimmick to me. In the Lion videos it looks so smooth, so useful. But in reality many pages dont load the same when you click back, asynchronous postbacks can change navigation behavior, and a lot of times the "image" of the page you navigate to is completely different than the page that loads, and it just makes things more confusing for the user. Here's hoping they can shore it up before summer, otherwise I will be sticking with 3-finger. ;)
 

johannnn

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Nov 20, 2009
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Is it just my impression or as the time/days go by smoothness and functionality of apps and system overall is deteriorating?
Haven't noticed any slowdown one day to another, but I do notice an overall slowdown. But I expected that from a beta version.
 

Shorties

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Jul 22, 2007
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Southern California
Haven't noticed any slowdown one day to another, but I do notice an overall slowdown. But I expected that from a beta version.

Yeah I find myself doing a reboot every 6-12 hours or so to retain speed and reliability, I assume there are memory leaks in this beta software or something along those lines. Safari especially.
 
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Twin B

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Aug 13, 2009
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OS 10.5.8 to 10.7?

I have a 1 year old iMac running 10.5.8. Anyone know if it will be possible to install 10.7 on top of 10.5.8 without having 10.6 on the machine? Thanks.
 

DoFoT9

macrumors P6
Jun 11, 2007
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London, United Kingdom
Nope. That was the first thing I looked for too because I prefer restarting my computer to actually restore it to a clean state. But no... the box is checked by default every time. I imagine this will probably change before the final release.

that is rather annoying - because i generally pick an option and leave it at that. so i would like it to remember the previous state i picked. thanks for that.
 

Jasoco

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May 28, 2006
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I put together a video of the best features from Lion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mL1k4Zwf1I

I can't wait. I want Lion to come out more than I wanted Snow Leopard. And I wanted Snow Leopard so much.

But I'll wait for the bugs to be worked out with third party apps, which seem to wreak havoc on my user when I have them all running. Bowtie and GeekTool don't work right with Spaces and Exposé and DropBox and Growl don't work at all. So let's hope for speedy updates when Summer comes around.

Also, apps that aren't first party don't get to take advantage of Lion's cool Fullscreen Space mode. Like Chrome, Firefox and Opera. They all do Fullscreen, but they don't get a space of their own. So let's hope to Jebus that they're all updated when Lion comes out. Safari just doesn't cut it. I needs mah Chrome and I am hoping to be able to put all my main apps fullscreen at all times.
 

mrblack927

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Aug 19, 2008
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Can you (or anyone) develop? Does it work for all document-based app and do they need to be launched?

They don't need to be launched, just on the dock. The apps it works with seems to be a bit hit-or-miss at this point... It works with TextEdit (1st party) and VLC (3rd party), but it doesn't work with any MS Office apps. I imagine Apple will probably clean it up a bit in future releases.

Personally, I love the idea but I think the implementation could be better. I don't understand why it needs to show the desktop while you're looking at the recent files. Seems like a waste of screen real estate if you ask me.
 

jeanlain

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Mar 14, 2009
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Thanks.
I suppose it works for Cocoa apps, which have an "open recent" item in the file menu for free.

What do you mean by "show the desktop" ? Do you mean open windows fade out like in launch pad? That's unnecessary indeed (even in launch pad).
 

mrblack927

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Aug 19, 2008
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Thanks.
I suppose it works for Cocoa apps, which have an "open recent" item in the file menu for free.

What do you mean by "show the desktop" ? Do you mean open windows fade out like in launch pad? That's unnecessary indeed (even in launch pad).

Yep, that's exactly what I mean. I think it would be fine if they just left the windows where they are and show the recent file list on top of everything. It seems like Apple is moving towards the philosophy of "one thing at at time" which means less multitasking, not more.
 

crammedberry

macrumors regular
For all you Lion people... have you noticed any difference in flash performance?

I was watching some 480p youtube videos and happened to open activity monitor, I noticed that (on a dual 2.4Ghz MBP) I was only using about 25% of my CPU... I'm not saying that 25% is 'efficient'... it is still a combined 1GHz just to play a video, but it's a big step up... Leopard, or should I say, flash in Leopard would easily use up most of my CPU just to play a single video...
 

PurrBall

macrumors 65816
Oct 25, 2007
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Indianapolis
There's a new QuickTime plugin with updated white on black controls.
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Mr. Retrofire

macrumors 603
Mar 2, 2010
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www.emiliana.cl/en
For all you Lion people... have you noticed any difference in flash performance?

I was watching some 480p youtube videos and happened to open activity monitor, I noticed that (on a dual 2.4Ghz MBP) I was only using about 25% of my CPU... I'm not saying that 25% is 'efficient'... it is still a combined 1GHz just to play a video, but it's a big step up... Leopard, or should I say, flash in Leopard would easily use up most of my CPU just to play a single video...

This has nothing to do with Lion. Mac OS X 10.6.3 or newer has a new public framework, which Flash Player uses to decode H.264 video on supported Macs.

This framework in Lion should support more GPUs (more NVIDIA and AMD/ATI GPUs) than the framework in Snow Leopard.
 
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