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10.8 All the Little Things!

kissmo said:
I had DP2 installed for about 2 days.
Blazing fast!
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I'm glad to hear that, a lot of people have been saying the same thing.

kissmo said:
Still they need to work on glitches and crashes but it is definitely a good alternative for Lion.
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They still have several months to optimize and fix any reported bugs. Please do keep sending in your crash reports and bug reports to Apple's bug report, so they can fix it for you.
 
I have also found it to be very snappy compared to DP1. Hope the speed fixes continue. Have only had on kernel panic so far, and that was because of flash. Very solid otherwise.
 
ac3320 said:
I didn't know Lion provided that feature. It could be that I just went to the Library to delete stuff out of habit, but I was pretty sure it has not been possible to delete things in a playlist (and simultaneously delete from the Library where the music is stored).
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I've been deleting music from library through the playlist since iTunes 4.7 that was the first iTunes I used
 
So I have an early 2008 MBP laying around, so I thought i would give ML a try..
Actually a first tried it 2 weeks ago. That was DP1, and i was experiencing a very strange issue with the Wi-Fi connection, in that the connection would drop within half a minute..Ok at the time i put this down to the fact that it was DP1..
So now I thought it was time to try again with DP2, and the issue remains..
I have absolutely no problem using Wi-Fi on this machine when running 10.6, or 10.7, or on other machines running different versions of Mac OS X.
I have already reset the router ( TP-Link, 802.11/n ), SMC, PRAM..to no avail.
Here comes the twist. If i go to the settings of the router and disable the Wireless security ( WPA2-PSK originally ) then i can maintain the connection, no problem...What the hell? I really don't want to keep it this way..
What could be the solution?? Thanks..

P.S.: I really want ML to work on this machine, because other than this it is blazing fast even on this machine ( 2.4 C2D, 4 gb , 32GB Mtron SSD )
 
Screwball said:
So I have an early 2008 MBP laying around, so I thought i would give ML a try..
Actually a first tried it 2 weeks ago. That was DP1, and i was experiencing a very strange issue with the Wi-Fi connection, in that the connection would drop within half a minute..Ok at the time i put this down to the fact that it was DP1..
So now I thought it was time to try again with DP2, and the issue remains..
I have absolutely no problem using Wi-Fi on this machine when running 10.6, or 10.7, or on other machines running different versions of Mac OS X.
I have already reset the router ( TP-Link, 802.11/n ), SMC, PRAM..to no avail.
Here comes the twist. If i go to the settings of the router and disable the Wireless security ( WPA2-PSK originally ) then i can maintain the connection, no problem...What the hell? I really don't want to keep it this way..
What could be the solution?? Thanks..

P.S.: I really want ML to work on this machine, because other than this it is blazing fast even on this machine ( 2.4 C2D, 4 gb , 32GB Mtron SSD )
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You might want to try to file a bug at https://bugreport.apple.com but then again it's also highly possible that this could also be a bug in the firmware of your router. Try using WPA-PSK v1 instead if you can. At absolute least you should be able to authenticate using WEP even though it's not the most secure protocol. If that fails, set your router to not broadcast its SSID so random people can't see the network advertised.
 
Takuro said:
You might want to try to file a bug at https://bugreport.apple.com but then again it's also highly possible that this could also be a bug in the firmware of your router. Try using WPA-PSK v1 instead if you can. At absolute least you should be able to authenticate using WEP even though it's not the most secure protocol. If that fails, set your router to not broadcast its SSID so random people can't see the network advertised.
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Firmware update to the rescue ;) Cheers
 
Note's Fullscreen view has been wrecked by DP 2. :mad:
It was stunning before.

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I don't understand why everyone is complaining so much about how the Notes and Calendar apps (for example) look realistic (leather, binding, stitching, etc.). Everyone is going crazy over these small UI changes while (almost) everyone is praising Windows 8 for being completely different. I don't get it, and it really doesn't look that bad. These design changes don't get in the way at all, they're designed to help make the app work well, and that's exactly what they do.
 
markrox7 said:
I don't understand why everyone is complaining so much about how the Notes and Calendar apps (for example) look realistic (leather, binding, stitching, etc.). Everyone is going crazy over these small UI changes while (almost) everyone is praising Windows 8 for being completely different. I don't get it, and it really doesn't look that bad. These design changes don't get in the way at all, they're designed to help make the app work well, and that's exactly what they do.
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I could take major changes if they made things easier to use for me in the long term. The Lion Address Book app will never achieve that - it will always limit and slow my use compared to the Snow Leopard one. The Mountain Lion contacts app seems to address some of the faults, but how many skuomorphic backwards steps in other apps will be inflicted on us next?

I am unlikely to jump to Windows any time soon, but I will be jealous if they offer well-thought-out functionality along with fresh style, while I have to put up with fake leather/wood/PVC and clumsy interfaces.
 
A lot of more advanced Mac users are bothered by the skeumorphism Apple is introducing into a lot of their apps, but I think these people are missing the reason behind the changes. It's not to be cute, it's to create familiarity for users.

The video of Chris Prillo's dad using a Mac for the first time is really the best example of this I've seen. http://joelhousman.com/2012/03/15/chris-prillos-dad-compares-windows-8-to-os-x/

This is an older guy who has never used OS X, but he understands what the apps are because he is familiar with iOS. It looks the same, it must be the same, it is the same.

It's like Launchpad. Advanced Mac users thought Launchpad was so stupid. We use Spotlight or Quicksilver or Alfred to launch our apps. But regular users use the dock, and that's it. There was no chance they were going to navigate into the applications folder to realize there are more apps in there. Launchpad is the greatest thing for them, because it bridges the gap between the apps in the dock and the rest of the apps on their system.

John Siracusa has a great rant about this on episode #59 of his show Hypercritical http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/59
 
Apollo1111 said:
A lot of more advanced Mac users are bothered by the skeumorphism Apple is introducing into a lot of their apps, but I think these people are missing the reason behind the changes. It's not to be cute, it's to create familiarity for users.

The video of Chris Prillo's dad using a Mac for the first time is really the best example of this I've seen. http://joelhousman.com/2012/03/15/chris-prillos-dad-compares-windows-8-to-os-x/

This is an older guy who has never used OS X, but he understands what the apps are because he is familiar with iOS. It looks the same, it must be the same, it is the same.

It's like Launchpad. Advanced Mac users thought Launchpad was so stupid. We use Spotlight or Quicksilver or Alfred to launch our apps. But regular users use the dock, and that's it. There was no chance they were going to navigate into the applications folder to realize there are more apps in there. Launchpad is the greatest thing for them, because it bridges the gap between the apps in the dock and the rest of the apps on their system.

John Siracusa has a great rant about this on episode #59 of his show Hypercritical http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/59
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The problem is a lot of skeuomorphic elements aren't really familiar at all in the year 2012, and ultimately just end up being ugly and invasive. How many people do you know own a leather binded calendar or takes notes on a yellow sheeted notepad? When I think "games" on my computer, somehow I don't think of pool tables.

Creating the halo effect between devices doesn't demand the user interface to have gimmicky skeuomorphic art.
 
Tinyluph said:
The problem is a lot of skeuomorphic elements aren't really familiar at all in the year 2012, and ultimately just end up being ugly and invasive. How many people do you know own a leather binded calendar or takes notes on a yellow sheeted notepad? When I think "games" on my computer, somehow I don't think of pool tables.

Creating the halo effect between devices doesn't demand the user interface to have gimmicky skeuomorphic art.
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You're right. The pros/cons of the skeuomorphic art is a good conversation to have, with two defendable sides. I think a lot of it is personal opinion, and people are justified either way.

The thing I applaud Apple for doing is keeping consistency in mind as they move forward, and I think that is really going to benefit their long term strategy with users of all their devices.
 
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