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Mr. Heckles
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I am not sure how this is a "major" concern. They are saying at the time of that post, there weren't any changes.
Mr. Heckles
macrumors 68000
I agree. Most of the FOSS stuff is also not user friendly for the average person. Most people want an easy set up and easy to use, and 1Password does that.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
That was 3 months ago, and now just the other day it seems they're implementing the price increase for nearly everyone.
I got an email stating that starting March 27th, individual plans will go from 35.88 to 47.88 and so far I've not seen anyone from agilebits walk that back like they did for the family plan. If I was a betting man, the family plan will see the increase next year.
While I get inflation is a thing, believe me, everything is more expensive, its hard to reward a company that chooses to raise their prices by 33% While I may be in the minority (as compared to the entire installed base of 1Password), I'm voting with my wallet.
svenmany
macrumors 68030
I'm in the camp of having special requirements. I have a family with lots of overlapping credentials. We don't all live together, so a cloud solution seems best. If I had only myself to worry about, I'd consider alternatives. I'm not convinced those alternatives would move me away from 1Password, but I'd sure look into them.
The challenge for anyone is how to evaluate the safety of any particular application. A particular vault's safety is rarely where the risks lie; it's more often in subtle communication issues or the safety of the surrounding application where problems come up. A number of projects tout their open-source roots, but it is sometimes limited to the encryption used on the vaults. This doesn't apply to the two projects you mentioned.
Open-source is a very dangerous arena these days. Not only does a person need to understand the application they are adopting, they need to learn about the project's code contribution standards and practices.
MisterSavage
macrumors 603
svenmany
macrumors 68030
I don't understand the "ransom" point. Just to be sure, are you aware that you have complete access to all your passwords without access to 1Password servers?
Alvinc
macrumors member
They think it's not "local" enough. 🙂
And the recent 1Password iOS and Mac has supported one click transfer between Apple Password and third-party apps thanks to iOS/macOS 26!
it wasnt me
macrumors 6502a
svenmany
macrumors 68030
I suspect Bitwarden is the same as 1Password in that your export includes the setup information to establish the TOTP code in another program or device. Passkeys in 1Password are a work in progress:
Portability without compromise: 1Password helps author a new standard for secure credential transfer | 1Password Community
We’re excited to share that the FIDO Alliance has published the Credential Exchange Format (CXF) as a Proposed Standard – the first web standard co-edited by...
www.1password.community
Mr. Heckles
macrumors 68000
I got an email that my family plan was getting an increase on March 27th from $59.88 to $71.88 (comes out to $1 a month). I got an email yesterday saying my plan is a legacy plan (Family Day Plan) and it will remain the same. I don't have a normal family plan.
If it did stay going up, I would stay because I am not going to deal with teaching my parents and in-laws on how to do this. I have 9 people in my plan and that would be a nightmare. Besides, I love the guest vaults they offer.
svenmany
macrumors 68030
🙂 That is a discussion as perilous as politics and religion.
In terms of complete access to all your credentials (except passkeys), everything is available while working offline and everything is present in an export. The export is just a compressed archive containing a JSON file and copies of documents that might be in the vaults. The JSON file is completely readable and trivially programmatically accessible.
I would use no password manager that didn't support a completely application-neutral access to my credentials.
svenmany
macrumors 68030
AI is such a problem.
But, in the case of 1Password, I don't see the issue with how they are using it. I think it was a tactical error to use "AI" in their marketing.
svenmany
macrumors 68030
My 1Password family plan was started 4 days after the email I got from them advertising it, so I'm on the "Launch Special Plan".
Teams went into public beta at the end of 2015 and they advertised it for families in February of 2016, which is when I signed up. In fact, it was still called Teams then and I got it for free for a number of months since it was still beta.
I started paying the full price mid-year and the price hasn't gone up since then. I also got the email saying that the price increase did not yet apply to me.
Teams went into public beta at the end of 2015 and they advertised it for families in February of 2016, which is when I signed up. In fact, it was still called Teams then and I got it for free for a number of months since it was still beta.
I started paying the full price mid-year and the price hasn't gone up since then. I also got the email saying that the price increase did not yet apply to me.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
As a proton unlimited customer, I have ProtonPass included, so I was starting to look into using that over other password managers, however there was one major issue - accessing ProtonPass you authenticate it with your account password. My proton account password is rather long, complex and not really easily type-able and I'd rather compartmentalize this service from my other proton products.
If I were to change it to something shorter, knowledgeable and easily type-able, especially on my phone that would increase the risk of my account being compromised.
So its bitwarden. I cancelled my 1PW account, though it will be active until the sub expires. Exporting my vault was easy enough, as was importing the 1pux BW.
Its a little different in form and function, definitely lacks the polish that 1PW offers, but the bottom line is, does it function as a good password manager? And yes it does. I've used BW before and was happy, but the increased options, that 1PW offfered drew me back
Oh by the way, 1Password started sponsoring a Formula 1 car last year - wonder how many millions that cost them, and where do you think that money is coming from? Then there's the whole AI inclusion in the product, not something I want, need or asked for
If I were to change it to something shorter, knowledgeable and easily type-able, especially on my phone that would increase the risk of my account being compromised.
So its bitwarden. I cancelled my 1PW account, though it will be active until the sub expires. Exporting my vault was easy enough, as was importing the 1pux BW.
Its a little different in form and function, definitely lacks the polish that 1PW offers, but the bottom line is, does it function as a good password manager? And yes it does. I've used BW before and was happy, but the increased options, that 1PW offfered drew me back
Oh by the way, 1Password started sponsoring a Formula 1 car last year - wonder how many millions that cost them, and where do you think that money is coming from? Then there's the whole AI inclusion in the product, not something I want, need or asked for
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which goes full circle back to the original post of this thread, switching to subscription model and canceling license model was not because of "dEvElOpEr GoT tO eAt" , VC who paid $620M wasn't looking to keep prices low.
In an even worse effect, now they are stuffing it with bloat like AI to make excuse for the "cOnStAnTlY dEvElOpEd CoStS" . It was greed, thats what it was.
If price is not the issue, why are you looking to switch?
This is why we should donate towards FOSS, to keep our options open. Bitwarden saved me from 1PW greed. Unfortunately, Enpass turned sour and canceled their license option and are subscription only. At least they honour their lifetime license purchases from before so you still get updates.
if inflation happens, it doesn't mean i have to pay more for 1password. it just means I have to save up and find other financial sound options like free Bitwarden, free KeePassCX, or go for a better deal for $10 get the Proton suite with email, 500GB cloud storage, VPN, + password manager over $3 just for password manager.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
the price is the issue, they walked back/clarified the price increase was not for the family plan. I'm on the individual plan and that was raised 33%
Mr. Heckles
macrumors 68000
What do you mean IF inflation happens? It happens. It's life. KeePassCX looks like it was made in the early 2000's and hasn't changed 😂
That's fine if you want to move, that's your right. BUT I bet 1Password is not the only one who will raise prices. Bitwarden did, and others will follow.
diego.caraballo
macrumors 6502a
svenmany
macrumors 68030
Could you provide a reference that the price increase will not impact the family plan? So far, I've only heard about the legacy plans (for people who signed up very, very early) not increasing in price.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
svenmany
macrumors 68030
Yeah. That's for people who signed up for the "Families Launch Special" - when Family plans were first launched. I don't think that suggests no increase for all people signed up for a family plan.