1Password migrants thread

[RusHayer]

I disagree with OP, I do support fellow Canadian companies on top. Their business model is required subscriptions to survive. A one-time purchase is no longer feasible when the software requires sync with an online server.

Servers cost money to run, where would the monthly expense pay by whom? Out of their pockets and each engineer's pockets? $ 60-lifetime license use for 5 years+ with ongoing support + server cost?

One engineer's salary is $100,000+ CAD in Canada, especially in the Vancouver area. That mere $60 is just a penny that the company needed to survive.

Bitwarden is your best friend that doesn't require online - but you must maintain your own NAS base and internet. That cost money too right?

Please read carefully at least two last pages of this thread and you will understand that even forcing people to use subscription model was not the final straw to make people leave. And first of all we did not like how 1Password treated their customers. This was really disappointing. I will never accept such a thing.

Next thing – they removed the abilty to store my passwords locally. For many of us this is the most important feature in password manager. I use Enpass now, many user switched to Bitwarden. Look, you don't even pay for using most of important Bitwarden features, but people still want to pay for it just to support reliable and trusted open source. You mentioned that Bitwarden requires NAS. But you can use NAS not only for Bitwarden, right? Yes, NAS will cost you money, but it has so many use cases even at home. And in case of 1Password you pay money only to store your passwords on their servers, you don't get any other features.

Moving forward. 1Password moved to electron and ignored concerns of its users about it. Then they created issues with export. Having one of aforementioned reasons is enough to change you password manager. I listed five of them and I'm sure other users can list their solid points why they decided to leave 1Password.

If you like this software – no problem, that's your choice, good for you. But thanks to this topic many of us opened our eyes and understood that there are about a dozen alternatives to 1Password. They are cheaper, they are reliable, convenient and have good customer service and support. To change it was no-brainer.

 

[maflynn]

1Password moved to electron and ignored concerns of its users about it. Then they created issues with export. Having one of aforementioned reasons is enough to change you password manager. I listed five of them and I'm sure other users can list their solid points why they decided to leave 1Password.

For me, its how they handled the move to electron rather then using electron. I suspect that most of use electron based apps and don't even know it, as per the screen shot below.

I view the blowblack in terms of misplaced righteous anger. People are upset that a mac app is now going to be coded using a universal framework and not native.

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[yustas]

What is the best export option to choose in 1Password to give Bitwarden a try?

Thank you.

 

[MisterSavage]

I disagree with OP, I do support fellow Canadian companies on top. Their business model is required subscriptions to survive. A one-time purchase is no longer feasible when the software requires sync with an online server.

Servers cost money to run, where would the monthly expense pay by whom? Out of their pockets and each engineer's pockets? $ 60-lifetime license use for 5 years+ with ongoing support + server cost?

I paid $50 for a license that lasted me around 3 years. I probably would have done that again if they would have given me the option. The subscription model more than doubles the price I would have paid over that 3 years.

Bitwarden is your best friend that doesn't require online - but you must maintain your own NAS base and internet. That cost money too right?

If you want to use the personal version of Bitwarden where they host the data on their servers that is free and they claim it will be free forever. It's also free to self host. You can self host on something cheap, such as a Raspberry Pi, or something expensive. But you have options.

What is the best export option to choose in 1Password to give Bitwarden a try?

Thank you.

If I remember correctly, I just used the default that 1PW 7 offered. I believe that was 1pif. Some of the entries migrated easily while some were ugly and I had to do cleanup. I did discover that 1PW was sometimes saving hidden fields of things I did not want saved (last 4 of social when creating an account, phone numbers, etc), which I was not happy about. I was glad I scrubbed that data.

 

[svenmany]

I have some links that suggest they are actively working on making export better. I admit it's vague and they have to deliver rather than just talk about it.

https://1password.community/discussion/125169/no-export-option-for-csv-file-type-in-1password-8 - vague - basically "we're working to make it batter"

https://1password.community/discussion/comment/611599/#Comment_611599 - pretty good thread. They even apologize for missing the deadline for delivering import functionality. They briefly touch on why the don't think much of CSV as a solid export approach. And they provide this link:

https://support.1password.com/1pux-format/ with all the details. A line near the top reads "In 1Password 8, you can export a 1PUX file for each of your accounts and use it to transition to another password manager." They mention at the very bottom that they are actively working on including files in the 1pux.

Unfortunately, we have a wealth gap. If you're a programmer, they are making it very easy to get at your data out of 1Password. If you're a non-programmer, they are offering much less, unless you can count on the programmer of the competing product who wants your business.

https://1password.community/discussion/comment/616158#Comment_616158 includes a brief comment about why they moved from 1pif to 1pux.

https://1password.community/discussion/126073/what-will-be-the-export-formats-of-the-future-and-when mentions that they have reintroduced CSV and further reiterates that they are actively working on export.

I wish I could find the post where one of the support people made a comment like "we don't want your data to be trapped in 1Password".

Anyway, this all convinced me that the export issues that people raise are not due to malicious intent.

 

[MNGR]

I still use 1Password - I purchased iOS and Mac versions a long time ago, and I still have legacy plans, so I haven't subscribed and they work great. Now, I hear 1Password 8 for Mac will be Electron (but they put a lot of effort to make it feel native) and I know the Safari iOS extension requires a sub. I will probably just subscribe, it's $3 a month for a very valuable app.

I'm not sure why this is so outrageous, it's a good value for money considering you get the apps for all platforms. As a bonus I will also be able to use 1Password on my PC as well.

I just checked LastPass and the sub price is the same.

Look, I use 1Password for passwords, secure notes with codes, software licenses, and as a 2fa generator. These are important things. For $3 a month. Am I really going to experiment with alternatives (who I know little about) for such important things, to save a few dollars? Also, am I going to spend my time on researching these alternatives? Then spend my time transferring all my passwords to another service that, for all we know, might also switch to a subscription model at some point? Not doing that. 1Password has, so far, been reliable and trusted and their price is reasonable.

The issue I have is not the price. I also have the legacy. But I will never put my vault on the net. It stays on my local network.

 

[MNGR]

Please read carefully at least two last pages of this thread and you will understand that even forcing people to use subscription model was not the final straw to make people leave. And first of all we did not like how 1Password treated their customers. This was really disappointing. I will never accept such a thing.

Next thing – they removed the abilty to store my passwords locally. For many of us this is the most important feature in password manager. I use Enpass now, many user switched to Bitwarden. Look, you don't even pay for using most of important Bitwarden features, but people still want to pay for it just to support reliable and trusted open source. You mentioned that Bitwarden requires NAS. But you can use NAS not only for Bitwarden, right? Yes, NAS will cost you money, but it has so many use cases even at home. And in case of 1Password you pay money only to store your passwords on their servers, you don't get any other features.

Moving forward. 1Password moved to electron and ignored concerns of its users about it. Then they created issues with export. Having one of aforementioned reasons is enough to change you password manager. I listed five of them and I'm sure other users can list their solid points why they decided to leave 1Password.

If you like this software – no problem, that's your choice, good for you. But thanks to this topic many of us opened our eyes and understood that there are about a dozen alternatives to 1Password. They are cheaper, they are reliable, convenient and have good customer service and support. To change it was no-brainer.

I agree completely

 

[MisterSavage]

Bitwarden has started working on an update that lets you import from the new .1pux format that 1Password uses to export now.

✅ Import 1pux files from 1password

Feature name Import support for .1pux files Feature function We currently allow to import 1pif files but this is not useful as 1password would only export 1pux and I no longer have access. Since I can not export in any other format and no longer have access to the vault to try on other...

community.bitwarden.com

 

[svenmany]

The issue I have is not the price. I also have the legacy. But I will never put my vault on the net. It stays on my local network.

Just make sure your local network is secure. I really don't trust mine since I have many IOT devices. For example, I keep firewalls up on all my machines and try to keep my smart home devices on a separate network.

As long as communication between your devices that have your passwords is secure, and those devices themselves are hardened and kept up to date, then your strategy is good one.

I would find it hard to feel confident if I were to use a local NAS or server for password synchronization. I tend to set up such things and then forget about them for an extended period of time. I don't track emerging vulnerabilities and apply patches. Also, I occasionally I find that some IOT device is on the wrong network because I took a shortcut to work around a connectivity issue. As long as you're not as careless as I am, then you're good.

 

[KoolAid-Drink]

IMHO, the best solution for this would be for Apple to buy 1Password, adopt the best technologies (random creation, etc) then create a brand new "Passwords" application that would replace Keychain Access. Allow for attachments, notes, etc., and have them synced to iCloud automatically, and useable across the OS (not only Safari). This would replace the Passwords preference pane in both Safari Preferences and System Preferences, and would be a standalone app.

Apple can put this app on all its OSes (macOS, iOS, iPadOS, watchOS), with Touch/FaceID protection, ensuring synchronization across the board with passwords.

This would also be a great opportunity for Apple to show off its Swift programming language, by having the Passwords application completely written in Swift, cross-platform (Mac and mobile), and not utilize legacy AppKit or UIKit coding. Passwords.app can easily be the app of the future!

 

[MisterSavage]

IMHO, the best solution for this would be for Apple to buy 1Password, adopt the best technologies (random creation, etc) then create a brand new "Passwords" application that would replace Keychain Access. Allow for attachments, notes, etc., and have them synced to iCloud automatically, and useable across the OS (not only Safari). This would replace the Passwords preference pane in both Safari Preferences and System Preferences, and would be a standalone app.

Apple can put this app on all its OSes (macOS, iOS, iPadOS, watchOS), with Touch/FaceID protection, ensuring synchronization across the board with passwords.

This would also be a great opportunity for Apple to show off its Swift programming language, by having the Passwords application completely written in Swift, cross-platform (Mac and mobile), and not utilize legacy AppKit or UIKit coding. Passwords.app can easily be the app of the future!

As far as iOS goes iCloud Keychain can already several things mentioned (random creation, available across the OS, sync with other devices).

Did you mean SwiftUI? Swift is used in both UIKit and SwiftUI apps.

 

[svenmany]

IMHO, the best solution for this would be for Apple to buy 1Password, adopt the best technologies (random creation, etc) then create a brand new "Passwords" application that would replace Keychain Access. Allow for attachments, notes, etc., and have them synced to iCloud automatically, and useable across the OS (not only Safari). This would replace the Passwords preference pane in both Safari Preferences and System Preferences, and would be a standalone app.

Apple can put this app on all its OSes (macOS, iOS, iPadOS, watchOS), with Touch/FaceID protection, ensuring synchronization across the board with passwords.

This would also be a great opportunity for Apple to show off its Swift programming language, by having the Passwords application completely written in Swift, cross-platform (Mac and mobile), and not utilize legacy AppKit or UIKit coding. Passwords.app can easily be the app of the future!

I guess you don't use Windows at all. This would be like how Apple killed off Dark Sky for Android users, but negatively impacting many, many more users.

 

[KoolAid-Drink]

I guess you don't use Windows at all. This would be like how Apple killed off Dark Sky for Android users, but negatively impacting many, many more users.

I don't use Windows, no, but Apple can still create an accompanying application for Windows, or allow for a "Passwords" pane on iCloud.com for Windows users. Or, even keep 1password.com, but change it to apple.com/passwords or something? IDK.

 

[KoolAid-Drink]

As far as iOS goes iCloud Keychain can already several things mentioned (random creation, available across the OS, sync with other devices).

Did you mean SwiftUI? Swift is used in both UIKit and SwiftUI apps.

Yes, I'm aware of Apple's current password creation, but it's limited and meh. 1P's is much more flexible, with different conditions you can use. And yes, syncing is already there, but I meant the attachments, etc. would be synced (right now, Keychain Access does not support attachments).

I think I meant SwiftUI, yes. Is that the name of the new programming language that is rumored to eventually overtake both the AppKit (legacy Mac) and UIKit (iOS) programming languages? Thought it was simply Swift.

 

[svenmany]

I don't use Windows, no, but Apple can still create an accompanying application for Windows, or allow for a "Passwords" pane on iCloud.com for Windows users. Or, even keep 1password.com, but change it to apple.com/passwords or something? IDK.

Unless Apple provided an actual application for the desktop, this would be a terrible development for Windows users. Luckily, Apple has a great track record for delivering and maintaining high quality Windows applications.

 

[McScooby]

The issue I have is not the price. I also have the legacy. But I will never put my vault on the net. It stays on my local network.

I'm the same, even iCloud I'm fine with, but hosted elsewhere forget it. I settled on another mentioned in this thread, cross compatibility with windows isn't an issue, in fact I see it as a bonus.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

I didn't see any way to import passwords from 1Password on a Mac. Sticky Password on the Mac seems only able to import from Apple's Keychain. Did I miss something?

You didn’t miss anything. For some strange reason, they do not have feature parity between the various platforms. I found this out the hard way. I kept seeing screenshots that showed the import feature, not realizing that it was specifically a screenshot of the Windows version and that Mac version did not have it.

So I am having to copy and paste to set it up. Annoying, but not the end of the world as our 1password database was a mess anyway. Something I hated about 1password was it was just too easy to create duplicate entries. Especially for my husband who is very challenged. He asked if the computer was going to spill ink if he moved it the other day. COMPUTER, not a printer. Um....yeah...so that’s what I am dealing with. So the thing he uses has to be SUPER easy. Sticky Password so far has met that need and it’s file structure doesn’t allow duplicate entries but instead has additional sign on’s for one password entry. I like this approach better. It’s easier to understand.

But, one other thing I found out the hard way about though, was folders. I got things all nicely put into folders on the Mac, synced it with his iphone and bam.....it undid all my work and took everything out of folders. I presume because the mobile versions do not have folder capability. So here again a lack of feature parity between platforms. I gave them an earful on that one.

But that and the import function are the only problems I have found. Other than those, Sticky Password has been a good choice for our household so far. But they need to get the features matching between platforms. So does the Myki app. So many of these password managers seem to have some sort of issue. I guess that’s why this thread is so long, because basically no one does it 100% right and everyone keeps searching for something better. LOL

But for now, we’re happy (enough) with Sticky. Still would like folders to work though.

 

[MisterSavage]

So I am having to copy and paste to set it up. Annoying, but not the end of the world as our 1password database was a mess anyway. Something I hated about 1password was it was just too easy to create duplicate entries. Especially for my husband who is very challenged.

That was a problem I had also! I remember having to clean up my "Passwords" and "Logins" sections because there were dups.

 

[johnkree]

I disagree with OP, I do support fellow Canadian companies on top. Their business model is required subscriptions to survive. A one-time purchase is no longer feasible when the software requires sync with an online server.

Servers cost money to run, where would the monthly expense pay by whom? Out of their pockets and each engineer's pockets? $ 60-lifetime license use for 5 years+ with ongoing support + server cost?

One engineer's salary is $100,000+ CAD in Canada, especially in the Vancouver area. That mere $60 is just a penny that the company needed to survive.

Bitwarden is your best friend that doesn't require online - but you must maintain your own NAS base and internet. That cost money too right?

I disagree.
That software developers can just survive with subscription models is one of the biggest lies of our time. Subscriptions are just the easiest way of getting a lot of money.
It is psychological. Your brain regards paying 3$ a month as cheaper than 36$ a year. This is because you compare it to other stuff that costs 3$. Most of the time you would come to the conclusion that you are spending more money on much more useless stuff than a password manager and then you would regard it as justified.
You're paying them just a coffee per month, right?
This is the reason why a lot of young people end up with having high debts. They have more subs than they can afford. It's just 10$ per month for the new iPhone. It's just 20$ per month for the new TV. It's just 5$ per month for Disney+. And so on.
It's a mind trick. And the industry is using it to fool people who aren't good with keeping track of their budget.

Look at the prices of former single version software that changed to subscription only and tell me the price change. In most cases the price change is +100%. +100% price change for servers? Really?
Amazon is one of the most famous server companies. Look at this:

Investigating AWS Pricing over Time

When a coworker asked me if AWS had a historical pricing sheet, I was astounded to find out the answer was no. I went digging into the AWS landscape to find the answers and here is what I found.

www.stayclassyinternet.com

Server prices got so much cheaper in the last 15 years. Because of competition and because server hardware and maintenance is cheaper and easier than ever. And we are talking about passwords, not picture libraries or something like that. Export your library and tell me how big the CSV/PIF file is. AWS pricing is about 2-3 cents per gigabyte per month. For s3 storage.

I'm not completely against subscription. I would be happy to pay a monthly fee if Agile Bits would've just kept 1Password how it is. But they aren't. They are cutting back on features, they are wrapping their code into a browser without browser buttons, they are taking away the possibility to keep my most precious data where it should be. On my machine. And they are justifying this move with blatant lies about development costs and multi platform accessibility.

 

[MacBH928]

Any one has been on EnPass for sometime now? what is your feedback?

 

[MacBH928]

I didn't see any way to import passwords from 1Password on a Mac. Sticky Password on the Mac seems only able to import from Apple's Keychain. Did I miss something?

I cannot help you with Sticky Password, but there are a number of comments in this thread about problems getting all your data back from 1Password And my own experience is that its 1passwords lock in limitations that thwart most efforts.
Suggest take a look at this
Post in thread '1Password migrants thread'
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1password-migrants-thread.2307443/post-30528369

I am not sure if you figured this out but usually you can export from 1password a file, then from your new password manager you can import it back in. 1password offer different export formats see which is compatible with your new password manager

I still use 1Password - I purchased iOS and Mac versions a long time ago, and I still have legacy plans, so I haven't subscribed and they work great. Now, I hear 1Password 8 for Mac will be Electron (but they put a lot of effort to make it feel native) and I know the Safari iOS extension requires a sub. I will probably just subscribe, it's $3 a month for a very valuable app.

I'm not sure why this is so outrageous, it's a good value for money considering you get the apps for all platforms. As a bonus I will also be able to use 1Password on my PC as well.

I just checked LastPass and the sub price is the same.

Look, I use 1Password for passwords, secure notes with codes, software licenses, and as a 2fa generator. These are important things. For $3 a month. Am I really going to experiment with alternatives (who I know little about) for such important things, to save a few dollars? Also, am I going to spend my time on researching these alternatives? Then spend my time transferring all my passwords to another service that, for all we know, might also switch to a subscription model at some point? Not doing that. 1Password has, so far, been reliable and trusted and their price is reasonable.

You are not wrong about your convenience. $3 is worth your peace of mind.

its not about price, I think we all can afford $3 month. Its about taking a stand against subscription model. If every app will ask for a $3-$10 a month you will soon find yourself with a monthly bill of $300-400. It is also a stand against corporates asking for more money meanwhile try to lock you more in their ecosystem and their condescending behaviour. It is also to ignite competition and lock ourselves in like many people are locked with Google search and Microsoft Office and Windows for PC.

 

[MacBH928]

Today I did some testing with importing test data from 1PW to the various password managers.

To make things short: Enpass worked best, all entries with all section titles and all attachments where imported. Bitwarden was OK, section titles and attachments where missing but could be added manually.

KeepassXC imported all data, but the section titles where added to the field names. So the data is not lost, but it makes it more confusing.

Worst was Strongbox, for some data not the names but only some UUIDs where imported.

The best UI, beside 1PW, has Enpass, it is nearly a copy of the 1PW interface. What I found really odd: I have an Enpass license, that I bought a few years ago via the app store (but decided to stick with 1PW back than). When I started Enpass it sowed a message "register to unlock all features". No, thank you, I do not want to register and provide my mail to you when I bought the app in the Apple App store. Sure, not a big deal, but password managers are all about trust and I am not sure if I like this.

The Bitwarden UI is OK, but lacks structure. Some colors and subdivisions would be helpfull.

All in all 1PW is still the best password manager, but abandoning local vaults is an absolute dealbreaker for me. Enpass is second, mainly because of the UI and the import. But I am nut sure if I want to trust this company with all of my passwords after the "register to unlock" message. If I had to switch today I would probably choose Bitwarden and host it myself with Vaultwarden, which I also tested.

As I have a 1PW 7 perpetual license I decided to stay with 1PW for the time beeing and see, what the future brings. Maybe they will offer a self hosting option, in this case I might accept the subscription, even if I do not like it. Or Bitwarden improves the UI and the import.

I just have to make sure to test 1PW with new major versions of iOS and macOS before upgrading.

i am not sure why enpass want your email but you can use the new free services by duckduckgo that gives you free aliases to your email. this way you get the email but no one knows your real address, you can't reply from the alias though afaik

 

[bingeciren]

I'm a 1PW user since day one. I bought the "Pro" version of the IOS version before it became free. Currently I'm using 1PW 6.8.9 (Mac Appstore) with stand alone licence and the IOS 7.9.3. I don't have a 1PW account and my main vault is in the iCloud.

Version 6.8.9 works without a problem with all versions of macOS, all the way to the most current version of the Monterey. I don't use the Safari extension because for Safari logins, Apple keychain is more than adequate. 1PW is without an equal for attachments, software licence keys, Passports, Drivers Licences, Credit Cards, Legal Documents etc especially with picture attachments.

My wife uses the same setup with her Mac and iPhone but she has her own private vault kept in her iCloud account separate from mine. Since 1PW was the Appstore version, I just signed her Apps with my Apple ID on her Mac and IOS devices. This way there is no need for a family share setup.

I will continue to use 1PW this way as long as I can. For the time being, this is a better solution for me as opposed to switching to a totally new platform.

If 1PW allowed standalone licences again, I would be glad to pay for an upgrade. I don't buy their defending argument for not giving the choice to the customers and justifying their subscription only model for safety and better value. Since V6 and V7 of 1PW standalone versions still work for those who purchased before they switched to the subscription model, it proves that there is no technical reason for not offering both the subscription and the standalone versions.

If Agilebits is so confident that given the choice, most customers would prefer the subscription model, put your money where your mouth is and let the customers decide, without burying the standalone licence so deep in the menu that it's almost impossible to find, like the way it was.

Greed and easy way to double the revenue as far as I'm concerned.

 

[MacBH928]

I came across them yesterday and started researching. I am curious why everyone here is not talking about Sticky Password as it seems to check so many boxes that people have been asking for, yet no one is talking about them which seems strange to me.

They have a free model for individuals, or a reasonablly priced subscription model, or a one time lifetime payment model. So all bases seem to be covered there.

You can store and sync your data in the cloud, or keep it on your device and use wifi sync.

It’s got both a client app as well as broswer extensions if you want.

It’s cross platform.

You can share passwords with others if need be.


That seems to cover most of the things people have wanted in a password manager. So......why aren’t we all talking about them??? Is there some reason? ?

StickyPassword is discussed here and is on the recommended on the first post

The problem there is if you take the current price of Codebook, you're looking at $10 for iOS, and $20 for Mac and PC.

If I compare that to, say, Enpass, you're looking at a 1-time $60 price to work across every device. All of this being lifetime.

I get that prices may vary, but if looking at the initial face value, $199 for a lifetime license for something we can get also for $60 or even $20 definitely causes a doubletake.

BL.

actually $200 is a good deal if it really means life time as in 20-30 years of updates, problem is the company shutdown after couple of years

Ahh. That does indeed change everything. If something like Codebook, Enpass, Strongbox, etc., are all targeting the single end user, while Sticky Password supports the commercial end user in a shared environment. That changes the target user and their requirements, which can justify their price point.

BL.

in a corporate world you shouldn't pay upfront because that makes huge investment initially, better stay on month to month (subscription) expense.

codebook and strongbox definitely personal but enpass seems like a 1:1 alternative for 1password

 

[svenmany]

Its about taking a stand against subscription model. If every app or service will ask for a $3-$10 a month you will soon find yourself with a monthly bill of $300-400.

I'll stand with you against software subscriptions, but I won't for service subscriptions that incur a constant expense to support my requirements. Like Dropbox, for example; I expect them to charge me regularly to provide my storage and 24x7 access to it. I also get monthly bills from Azure and AWS for the resources I use. Heck, I don't have solar panels, so I also pay the utility company for my electricity.

I think 1Password considers themselves to be a service offering, especially since they've dropped local vaults completely. The applications they provide are various ways to access their service and they give them away for free. You're not required to use them. You might write your own client application following some API instructions they provide on their website. You can also get at your vaults with just a browser.

I'm disappointed they moved to a service offering, but I don't stand against service offerings in general. If I can't afford a service or think it's charging too much for the value it's offering, then I won't use it.