1Password migrants thread

[Apple_Robert]

Just a question: if Apple/Safari keychain provides password and username storage, why do I need 1P?

What will you do if you can't access keychain when needed (for whatever reason)? It has an ongoing history of offering to create a password for a website and then not saving it like it is supposed to, amongst other things. If Keychain is working for you and your needs, that is great. Ideally, you need to use another program as a working backup to Keychain.

 

[deeddawg]

I do not see it, they just offer their same 1password app for individual to businesses like every other password manager? Just a password manager it seems.

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I see different pricing for individuals and business. I know all companies do this, but as a business owner what stops me from using their family plan for my employees?

Family plan= $12/user
Business= $96/user

the difference is $84 , multiply that by 100 employees and that will be $8400 per year. Or you could just support FOSS and signup for the even cheaper $10 Bitwarden ??

Read thru the link I gave. It seems the enterprise version has a bunch of user/role/admin permissioning and other capabilities not in the consumer version. I’ve not used the enterprise erosion so I’m just going from what I saw on the business link. Seems apparent to me that it’s more than “just” a “password manager”. You may see it differently.

 

[bradl]

How do you sync from you computer to your father's computer without a cloud?

Simple. Site-to-site VPN, which directly connected my home network to his. From there, I opened up the password manager, then sync the vault I have of his to his master vault. After that, I disconnect terminate the VPN session.

All of that is actually a rather moot thing now, as I'm now taking care of my father's final affairs, so I've inherited a Mac mini.

BL.

 

[johnkree]

On the German IT Webseite heise.de was a report, that 1PW got another 620 million USD risk capital, the whole company is estimated to be worth 6.8 billion USD. Here the report (in German): https://www.heise.de/news/1Password...illionen-US-Dollar-Risikokapital-6333551.html

6.8 billion, for a password manager??

And this is the reason where every private user should be weary. This is just a proof where their attention will be in the future. Everything they did with version 8 points into the corporate business direction. They want to make big money and they want to please their investors and shareholders. They don't care anymore what their base users want. Why should they? They make much more on the business market. Why did they choose Electron? Because companies don't care about battery life, or wrappers. It has to look the same on any platform, it has to be easy to use. So no personal vaults anywhere. No cloud syncing. No native apps. Everything that could cause problems in a company was eliminated. Everything that won't affect a company employee is not important. Battery life? No matter, they will change to new models every 2-3 years. They don't want to keep their precious Macbook for 8+ years.

 

[MNGR]

I sure wish I knew how many of us are willing to pay the subscription but totally unwilling to host on their servers.
I use my MacBook as the "server" for our vaults. Sync over local WiFi with the family's iPads, iPhones.
Not going to change that.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

All of that is actually a rather moot thing now, as I'm now taking care of my father's final affairs, so I've inherited a Mac mini.

Sorry about your father bradl. That’s super difficult to deal with, though it does sound like you were very organized and prepared. ?

 

[MacBH928]

Simple. Site-to-site VPN, which directly connected my home network to his. From there, I opened up the password manager, then sync the vault I have of his to his master vault. After that, I disconnect terminate the VPN session.

All of that is actually a rather moot thing now, as I'm now taking care of my father's final affairs, so I've inherited a Mac mini.

BL.

my condolences...

And this is the reason where every private user should be weary. This is just a proof where their attention will be in the future. Everything they did with version 8 points into the corporate business direction. They want to make big money and they want to please their investors and shareholders. They don't care anymore what their base users want. Why should they? They make much more on the business market. Why did they choose Electron? Because companies don't care about battery life, or wrappers. It has to look the same on any platform, it has to be easy to use. So no personal vaults anywhere. No cloud syncing. No native apps. Everything that could cause problems in a company was eliminated. Everything that won't affect a company employee is not important. Battery life? No matter, they will change to new models every 2-3 years. They don't want to keep their precious Macbook for 8+ years.

Its ironic a bit since 1password, afaik, was built with the home user in mind. Such betrayal.

Although I think its a bit stupid from corporates to go with 1password I mean, they are always looking for cost cutting and Bitwarden is like 40% cheaper and Robofarm is 74% cheaper.... that is of course if they are not as reliable as 1password.

i didn't know corporates change computers every 3 years, my idea is that businesses squeeze assets to death. I heard they still using floppy disk readers in governments ?

 

[MacBH928]

Read thru the link I gave. It seems the enterprise version has a bunch of user/role/admin permissioning and other capabilities not in the consumer version. I’ve not used the enterprise erosion so I’m just going from what I saw on the business link. Seems apparent to me that it’s more than “just” a “password manager”. You may see it differently.

I meant I thought Agilebits had other business or software than 1password

 

[bradl]

Sorry about your father bradl. That’s super difficult to deal with, though it does sound like you were very organized and prepared. ?

my condolences...

Thanks to you both. It's really appreciated. The saving grace for this is now I actually don't need two different solutions for my needs. If you recall, I was using Enpass for my needs, and Codebook for my father's needs. Since Codebook's 15-day trial period is based off of how many times you open and use the application, I had all of his info imported on the initial use (day 1), then only used it 6 or 7 times, leaving me with at least 8 days left for use. It sucks that it ends this way, but I actually got away with essentially free use of it.

Its ironic a bit since 1password, afaik, was built with the home user in mind. Such betrayal.

Going corporate/enterprise for their main customer target does say a lot. I can see why a password manager is needed for a given IT department when they are maintaining servers and routers that require different credentials (based on password policy), but I'm having trouble seeing how they would justify the various PMs sales reps, analysts, etc., that would use it, when their scope of required credentials is extremely limited.

Although I think its a bit stupid from corporates to go with 1password I mean, they are always looking for cost cutting and Bitwarden is like 40% cheaper and Robofarm is 74% cheaper.... that is of course if they are not as reliable as 1password.

i didn't know corporates change computers every 3 years, my idea is that businesses squeeze assets to death. I heard they still using floppy disk readers in governments ?

Heh.. 3 years... The data center I maintain at Intel.. 12 rows of servers, whether the servers take up 1U, 2U, 4U, to even 8U in a rack.. Where the CPUs are as new as Kaby Lake, Ice Lake, down to Comet Lake, Cascade Lake, then to Sky Lake.. All the way down to Broadwell, Haswell, all the way down to Westmere-based Xeons.

Westmere came out in 2010. I'd LOVE to see all of those scrapped! I mean, it's bad enough when you have to wear protective earphones to walk onto the raised floor!

BL.

 

[deeddawg]

I meant I thought Agilebits had other business or software than 1password

I seem to remember they did at one point but can't say what it might have been.

www.agilebits.com redirects to 1password.com now so...

 

[johnkree]

Its ironic a bit since 1password, afaik, was built with the home user in mind. Such betrayal.

Yes. And I for myself can't trust a company with my most precious and sensitive data when they betray their customer base like that.
I don't even have a problem that their focus goes to corporates. They could as well leave 1Password for private users as it was in 1PW 6 or even 7 and it would be ok. I would gladly pay a monthly fee.
But it is how they did it and how they are lying and how they are downvoting every critic on Reddit and how they are deleting every critical post in their forums. It's how they treat people that made that what they are now.
This is nothing but scummy behavior I would expect by my bank institute or an insurance company but not by the company that made my password manager.

Although I think its a bit stupid from corporates to go with 1password I mean, they are always looking for cost cutting and Bitwarden is like 40% cheaper and Robofarm is 74% cheaper.... that is of course if they are not as reliable as 1password.

It's all about the bling and ease of use. If it was just cost cutting a lot of companies would use Linux.

i didn't know corporates change computers every 3 years, my idea is that businesses squeeze assets to death. I heard they still using floppy disk readers in governments ?

The ones that have money, yes. Like Infineon... a friend of mine works there. Gets new iPhones and Lenovos and stuff every couple of years...

 

[maflynn]

I've been somewhat quiet in this thread, but I came across this YT and found it to be helpful and informative.

 

[MisterSavage]

I've been somewhat quiet in this thread, but I came across this YT and found it to be helpful and informative.

That's interesting they made the random security questions a feature. I've been using the password generator to fill them with nonsense and store them in my vault.

 

[MacBH928]

Yes. And I for myself can't trust a company with my most precious and sensitive data when they betray their customer base like that.
I don't even have a problem that their focus goes to corporates. They could as well leave 1Password for private users as it was in 1PW 6 or even 7 and it would be ok. I would gladly pay a monthly fee.
But it is how they did it and how they are lying and how they are downvoting every critic on Reddit and how they are deleting every critical post in their forums. It's how they treat people that made that what they are now.
This is nothing but scummy behavior I would expect by my bank institute or an insurance company but not by the company that made my password manager.

I have no problem them growing, and giving subscription for corporates, more power to them. My problem was stripping away features and forcing subscription under the umbrella "its better for you" meanwhile in reality "its more money for us".

I've been somewhat quiet in this thread, but I came across this YT and found it to be helpful and informative.

I do not see whats new here?
1-speed: I never heard someone else say my password manager is slow
2-security: Whats new here? unless you are Lasstpass, most other I have not heard they have a leak
3-Security question: i do this long ago using custom fields
4-sharing passwords: like... how many times you want to share a password with someone for an account OTP? either way i can just send it to them over encrytped zip file or on any encrypt messenger.
5-1Password mini: other passwords has this like Codebook and EnPass

all in all there is nothing special about 1password here and all i see is a big ad for 1password. Whatever 1password does, others can do and for cheaper. 1password is a great app no one ever said other wise.

 

[johnkree]

I've been somewhat quiet in this thread, but I came across this YT and found it to be helpful and informative.

This is the kind of influencer crap we have to live with nowadays. At no point of this review there is any kind of criticism. It's just an 6 minute commercial, it's not sponsored, but use the affiliate link... -.- and don't forget about Yubikey, there's a link down below.
Then he claims that he talked to people working there and everything is about security and customer satisfaction. Yea, he got the discount for his affiliate there. I talked to people working there, like on the Reddit sub mods or via mail when I told them I was unsatisfied with version 8 and guess what: Their talk is all about how they care about you and security.
Every insurance company will tell you that they really really care about you, as long as they can sell you stuff.

Password sharing:
Now this is a handy feature for corporates... I mean, yea, it is awesome that when I have guests in my house to share the WIFI key, but, how often do I have new people visiting me? Or how often do I have to share passwords with my wife? Not very often. I don't think that the average private user would need this feature on a daily basis.

Being the same on any device:
Yes this is good. But the price we have to "pay" for this is that it's a browser window. You can sweet talk as much as you want, it's based on the most resource hungry browser there is.
Let's say opening your car uses as much fuel as driving it. Would you be ok with that? It's just a password manager. It's in the background for 99% of the time.

Search bar:
Now if you are a search bar user, then you would probably use already a... search bar. Like Alfred. Like Launch Bar. Or Raycast. I don't need a 1Password search bar.

And at the end of the video he claims to have three things that he would change and then it's a simple feature request. His channel is full of videos with praise about 1Password. Yea. He isn't sponsored. But hey, do him the favor and use the affiliate link.

 

[maflynn]

nothing special about 1password

not if you're hating the product like you do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is the kind of influencer crap we have to live with nowadays.

I found it helpful and yes, he's a fan of 1Password, but is that any different then seeing a commercial about product x y or z? There is stuff in there that is helpful and informative. I get that I posted this in a thread where people are angry/leaving 1Password but I still think its useful

 

[RusHayer]

I've been somewhat quiet in this thread, but I came across this YT and found it to be helpful and informative.

Thanks for sharing! He got my dislike for this "helpful and informative" video!

 

[johnkree]

not if you're hating the product like you do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I found it helpful and yes, he's a fan of 1Password, but is that any different then seeing a commercial about product x y or z? There is stuff in there that is helpful and informative. I get that I posted this in a thread where people are angry/leaving 1Password but I still think its useful

See and this is what you get wrong. Most people don’t hate 1Password. If you read the answers in this thread most people are 1Password users for 10 years or more. They showed love and respect for an awesome program.
If I would use "hate" in context with the app I would say I hate the fact that Agilebits suddenly gives a crap about their user base because something better came along the way.
But I don’t like the word "hate". It’s a very strong word.

People are disappointed, because a once awesome app is now nothing but a money grabbing act by the devs.

You’re right, this is a thread about once happy customers looking for viable alternatives. Imho, with all due respect, posting an influencer fanboy commercial disguised as a honest review, what it obviously isn’t, is not very helpful.
You will get a lots of upvotes in the 1PW subreddit though, it's moderated by Agilebits employees and they downvote every critical question into oblivion since weeks.

 

[MisterSavage]

Password sharing:
Now this is a handy feature for corporates... I mean, yea, it is awesome that when I have guests in my house to share the WIFI key, but, how often do I have new people visiting me? Or how often do I have to share passwords with my wife? Not very often. I don't think that the average private user would need this feature on a daily basis.

I do need to do that once in a while with relatives. Bitwarden has a nice feature that lets me do that.

 

[deeddawg]

I do not see whats new here?
1-speed: I never heard someone else say my password manager is slow
2-security: Whats new here? unless you are Lasstpass, most other I have not heard they have a leak
3-Security question: i do this long ago using custom fields
4-sharing passwords: like... how many times you want to share a password with someone for an account OTP? either way i can just send it to them over encrytped zip file or on any encrypt messenger.
5-1Password mini: other passwords has this like Codebook and EnPass

all in all there is nothing special about 1password here and all i see is a big ad for 1password. Whatever 1password does, others can do and for cheaper. 1password is a great app no one ever said other wise.

Thanks for the summary - I didn't feel like looking at the video.

Yeah, none of the five are unique to 1Password. Enpass covers all of these.

 

[bradl]

Thanks for the summary - I didn't feel like looking at the video.

Yeah, none of the five are unique to 1Password. Enpass covers all of these.

To a degree with Enpass. There isn't a mini version of it. From my reading of the documentation, for it to work in any "mini" type of form, the actual application has to stay open, whereas with 1Password mini, it runs in the background without having the full application open.

If there is a mini version of Enpass or if that functionality is there, let me know because I'd rather use that than having to keep the full application open the entire time.

BL.

 

[chickenpiccata]

I've been somewhat quiet in this thread, but I came across this YT and found it to be helpful and informative.

I found it helpful. It's the first time I've seen the v8 beta. Thanks for posting.

Some years ago I was a happy user of Crashplan backup software, which was aimed at individual/home users. Over time, the company, Code42 (IIRC), migrated to serving enterprises. They developed a separate version of their client software to cater to business needs. Eventually, they decided to stop supporting their home client and forced me (and many others) to find another solution.

Many people were unhappy about this, but in retrospect, compared to 1Password, this was a more honest approach. As with 1P, it was difficult to find a similar replacement. But they didn't pretend that they could provide one solution that would work as well for an individual as for a large enterprise.

(I was not a MacRumors reader at that time, but I suspect there was a thread similar to this one about that situation.)

 

[deeddawg]

To a degree with Enpass. There isn't a mini version of it. From my reading of the documentation, for it to work in any "mini" type of form, the actual application has to stay open, whereas with 1Password mini, it runs in the background without having the full application open.

If there is a mini version of Enpass or if that functionality is there, let me know because I'd rather use that than having to keep the full application open the entire time.

BL.

Okay, I'd misunderstood the mini part - hadn't ever used it in 1P so wasn't familiar with the difference.

With enpass currently you need keep the main app running, though it can be minimized and you access the assistant via either menubar icon or systemwide hotkey. From there you can reopen the main Enpass app window if desired. See

Enpass

So yes, technically not a direct match - but seems functionally close enough for most needs as it doesn't seem Enpass consumes much in the way of resources.

 

[bradl]

Okay, I'd misunderstood the mini part - hadn't ever used it in 1P so wasn't familiar with the difference.

With enpass currently you need keep the main app running, though it can be minimized and you access the assistant via either menubar icon or systemwide hotkey. From there you can reopen the main Enpass app window if desired. See

Enpass

So yes, technically not a direct match - but seems functionally close enough for most needs as it doesn't seem Enpass consumes much in the way of resources.

Yep.. that's what I read as well, and how I was using it. I was wondering if there was a mini version of Enpass so that could be used, but you're using it the same way I am, so I am not missing anything.

BL.

 

[MisterSavage]

iCloud Keychain is adding the ability to add notes to your password entries.

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