1Password migrants thread

[MacBH928]

I don't get whats special about sharing password as a feature, what happened to copy+paste+send to your contact?
Plus if they are employee chances are they do have their own vault and you can send the password over there.

This is the kind of influencer crap we have to live with nowadays. At no point of this review there is any kind of criticism. It's just an 6 minute commercial, it's not sponsored, but use the affiliate link... -.- and don't forget about Yubikey, there's a link down below.
Then he claims that he talked to people working there and everything is about security and customer satisfaction. Yea, he got the discount for his affiliate there. I talked to people working there, like on the Reddit sub mods or via mail when I told them I was unsatisfied with version 8 and guess what: Their talk is all about how they care about you and security.
Every insurance company will tell you that they really really care about you, as long as they can sell you stuff.

Password sharing:
Now this is a handy feature for corporates... I mean, yea, it is awesome that when I have guests in my house to share the WIFI key, but, how often do I have new people visiting me? Or how often do I have to share passwords with my wife? Not very often. I don't think that the average private user would need this feature on a daily basis.

Being the same on any device:
Yes this is good. But the price we have to "pay" for this is that it's a browser window. You can sweet talk as much as you want, it's based on the most resource hungry browser there is.
Let's say opening your car uses as much fuel as driving it. Would you be ok with that? It's just a password manager. It's in the background for 99% of the time.

Search bar:
Now if you are a search bar user, then you would probably use already a... search bar. Like Alfred. Like Launch Bar. Or Raycast. I don't need a 1Password search bar.

And at the end of the video he claims to have three things that he would change and then it's a simple feature request. His channel is full of videos with praise about 1Password. Yea. He isn't sponsored. But hey, do him the favor and use the affiliate link.

haven't you heard the first bit of the video? Its not sponsored! he just makes money if you use his link and some how he is special enough that AgileBits gave some of their precious time to give a talk specially to him ???
He even made a critisim or two to obfuscate it!

I do need to do that once in a while with relatives. Bitwarden has a nice feature that lets me do that.

you mean like this awesome feature that is worth paying $36 a year forever Bitwarden gives it out for free? thats impossible! its one of the reasons 1password is worth lifetime subscription??

 

[Apple_Robert]

Enpass lifetime license on sale for $29.00

Enpass Password Manager Lifetime Subscription Deal - Individual Plan

<p>Enjoy secure login credentials, cloud sync, strong password generation, and security alerts with this lifetime subscription deal to Enpass password manager.</p>

stacksocial.com

Sticky Password lifetime license for $29.99

The Lifetime Password Manager & Privacy Subscription Bundle | StackSocial

Securely store all your login information in one place & browse with complete peace of mind

stacksocial.com

These are legit offers. I have used stack social many times.

 

[MacBH928]

Okay, I'd misunderstood the mini part - hadn't ever used it in 1P so wasn't familiar with the difference.

With enpass currently you need keep the main app running, though it can be minimized and you access the assistant via either menubar icon or systemwide hotkey. From there you can reopen the main Enpass app window if desired. See

Enpass

So yes, technically not a direct match - but seems functionally close enough for most needs as it doesn't seem Enpass consumes much in the way of resources.

Yep.. that's what I read as well, and how I was using it. I was wondering if there was a mini version of Enpass so that could be used, but you're using it the same way I am, so I am not missing anything.

BL.

interesting, I am thinking the 1password mini is just 1password in minimized form not a 3rd app between the main and the browser extension. How about you do a screen shot to see how much resource its taking, I am still on 1password here is my screenshot.

 

[MacBH928]

Enpass lifetime license on sale for $29.00

Enpass Password Manager Lifetime Subscription Deal - Individual Plan

<p>Enjoy secure login credentials, cloud sync, strong password generation, and security alerts with this lifetime subscription deal to Enpass password manager.</p>

stacksocial.com

Sticky Password lifetime license for $29.99

The Lifetime Password Manager & Privacy Subscription Bundle | StackSocial

Securely store all your login information in one place & browse with complete peace of mind

stacksocial.com

These are legit offers. I have used stack social many times.

wow! great offer, especially for that Sticky password that is priced a ludicrous $400 (honestly worth it if lifetime means 30 years in the future updates).

But I am thinking to reward those who still offer license we should not skimp on the price, especially that its a lifetime (forever upgrades?) . We should pay full price in support and keep them going.

I was never a fan of discount/sale sites, there is always a catch or limitations but this is a nice one really.

 

[bradl]

interesting, I am thinking the 1password mini is just 1password in minimized form not a 3rd app between the main and the browser extension. How about you do a screen shot to see how much resource its taking, I am still on 1password here is my screenshot.

You're right that it isn't a 3rd application, as it is toggled in the preferences for 1PW itself.. However, when toggled on, it OS X kernel spawns the process that runs the command

/Applications/1Password.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/2BUA8C4S2C.com.agilebits.onepassword-osx-helper.app/Contents/MacOS/2BUA8C4S2C.com.agilebits.onepassword-osx-helper

At least that is how it is showing up on my Mac. You can find that out by running Activity Monitor, highlighting 1Password mini, then hitting the info button in the main Activity monitor window.

The key here is that if it were just 1PW in minimized form, it should spawn as a child process to 1PW, but seeing that it is being started from launchd (which is spawned from the kernel), it is showing up as a separate process altogether, making it appear to run like a 3rd application.

wow! great offer, especially for that Sticky password that is priced a ludicrous $400 (honestly worth it if lifetime means 30 years in the future updates).

But I am thinking to reward those who still offer license we should not skimp on the price, especially that its a lifetime (forever upgrades?) . We should pay full price in support and keep them going.

I was never a fan of discount/sale sites, there is always a catch or limitations but this is a nice one really.

StackSocial is a legitimate site, so there shouldn't be a catch to it.. but you're right, those are really good offers. I'd even guess that that offer is better than Enpass' Black Friday offer, and obviously StickyPassword's offer there is huge. For those looking at alternatives, those would be ones to jump on before they go away.

BL.

 

[MisterSavage]

I don't get whats special about sharing password as a feature, what happened to copy+paste+send to your contact?
Plus if they are employee chances are they do have their own vault and you can send the password over there.

With this way the password isn't sitting around in your text message history for a bad actor to find it later. Unlikely, but I like to be careful.

you mean like this awesome feature that is worth paying $36 a year forever Bitwarden gives it out for free? thats impossible! its one of the reasons 1password is worth lifetime subscription??

Full disclosure: Bitwarden lets you use send for free to send text (passwords, etc) only. In order to be able to securely share files with send you have to have a premium account ($10 a year).

 

[MacBH928]

You're right that it isn't a 3rd application, as it is toggled in the preferences for 1PW itself.. However, when toggled on, it OS X kernel spawns the process that runs the command

/Applications/1Password.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/2BUA8C4S2C.com.agilebits.onepassword-osx-helper.app/Contents/MacOS/2BUA8C4S2C.com.agilebits.onepassword-osx-helper

At least that is how it is showing up on my Mac. You can find that out by running Activity Monitor, highlighting 1Password mini, then hitting the info button in the main Activity monitor window.

The key here is that if it were just 1PW in minimized form, it should spawn as a child process to 1PW, but seeing that it is being started from launchd (which is spawned from the kernel), it is showing up as a separate process altogether, making it appear to run like a 3rd application.



StackSocial is a legitimate site, so there shouldn't be a catch to it.. but you're right, those are really good offers. I'd even guess that that offer is better than Enpass' Black Friday offer, and obviously StickyPassword's offer there is huge. For those looking at alternatives, those would be ones to jump on before they go away.

BL.

-yeah even when you quit 1password it has an option that says "quit 1pw completely" which kind of points that the mini is just 1pw running in the background

-I meant the discounted offers usually have catches like you need to sign up for something else to get the offer, or use specific credit card.

With this way the password isn't sitting around in your text message history for a bad actor to find it later. Unlikely, but I like to be careful.



Full disclosure: Bitwarden lets you use send for free to send text (passwords, etc) only. In order to be able to securely share files with send you have to have a premium account ($10 a year).

-I didn't know password managers are used as a file sharing platform. Does 1password have file sharing option? like what? copies of ID?

 

[jimm1]

This may have already been covered. Apologies. I am not going to read 47 odd pages of posts to check.
I am still using 1Password - not the subscripton versions. I too have paid in the past for N x upgrades and
am not going to join the subscription model.

I use today 1Password in
IOS
OSX
Windows 10 - albeit using an old version - but it never asks for a licence
All linked by dropbox.

The windows version is old and clunky but still syncs to the dropbox database that links all variants.

 

[MisterSavage]

-I didn't know password managers are used as a file sharing platform. Does 1password have file sharing option? like what? copies of ID?

They're both relatively new. 1Password added theirs in October 2021 and Bitwarden added theirs in May 2021.

This may have already been covered. Apologies. I am not going to read 47 odd pages of posts to check.
I am still using 1Password - not the subscripton versions. I too have paid in the past for N x upgrades and
am not going to join the subscription model.

Your existing, licensed versions won't ask you to subscribe. It's when you want to upgrade to 1Password 8 that you'l have an issue. Generally speaking older software will eventually stop being compatible with the latest operating systems. Many people (including me) would buy a license every couple of years but now that's not an option. With the subscription model the price I would have paid jumped over 100% and I started exploring what other alternatives there were.

 

[bradl]

This may have already been covered. Apologies. I am not going to read 47 odd pages of posts to check.
I am still using 1Password - not the subscripton versions. I too have paid in the past for N x upgrades and
am not going to join the subscription model.

I use today 1Password in
IOS
OSX
Windows 10 - albeit using an old version - but it never asks for a licence
All linked by dropbox.

The windows version is old and clunky but still syncs to the dropbox database that links all variants.

do you now which version of 1Password on your desktop and Macs that you are using? That is the main problem there. If you have version 7 (at least for MacOS) then you'll be in the sweet spot, as not only do they have a binary out for Silicon, but may also be a universal binary. You'll need to keep your license for that around, especially if you need to reinstall for any reason.

If it is 6.x or lower, you'll be in trouble. They will work on Silicon, but only via Rosetta 2. When Apple drops Rosetta 2 after they are through with supporting Intel Macs at the OS level, you'll be screwed. You'll be stuck at the last version of MacOS that will support Intel Macs with no upgrade path that doesn't require you to purchase a subscription.

The other issue you're having here is that you are syncing everything through Dropbox, which works.. but a lot of people are not, nor will trust storing their passwords and other sensitive info (PII, PHI, PCI, or otherwise) on a Cloud service. If that service gets compromised, there go your vaults. So people prefer to store their vaults on their Mac or their desktop, and sync their devices between that, then back up their vault to external storage. Cloud services are there for convenience; when you need something and you are not at your main desktop to get to it.. However, the risk comes when storing sensitive data that can be retrieved in a hack, or worse: the government subpoenas the service for it (which they can; the service would be a 3rd party to an investigation, and as such, does not require a warrant to get it).

That is why the need for standalone vaults was huge. It protected the user from any 3rd party retrieval of their data (making the authorities require a warrant), and kept the user with full control of their data.

So we have two problems: the version issue relative to Apple's transition to Apple Silicon from Intel, and subscriptions. We're on borrowed time with Apple Silicon and Rosetta 2, while we're stuck with subscriptions and SaaS. That's the crux of the matter.

BL.

 

[Jay-Jacob]

Enpass lifetime license on sale for $29.00

Enpass Password Manager Lifetime Subscription Deal - Individual Plan

<p>Enjoy secure login credentials, cloud sync, strong password generation, and security alerts with this lifetime subscription deal to Enpass password manager.</p>

stacksocial.com

Sticky Password lifetime license for $29.99

The Lifetime Password Manager & Privacy Subscription Bundle | StackSocial

Securely store all your login information in one place & browse with complete peace of mind

stacksocial.com

These are legit offers. I have used stack social many times.

Interesting website. I see they have lots of offers. Never used it myself since I am from UK.

 

[MacBH928]

This may have already been covered. Apologies. I am not going to read 47 odd pages of posts to check.
I am still using 1Password - not the subscripton versions. I too have paid in the past for N x upgrades and
am not going to join the subscription model.

I use today 1Password in
IOS
OSX
Windows 10 - albeit using an old version - but it never asks for a licence
All linked by dropbox.

The windows version is old and clunky but still syncs to the dropbox database that links all variants.

whats your question?

 

[jimm1]

“Please share your experiences with trustworthy password managers”

I have shared my experience.

Windows version is v4, OSX is v6. IOS v7.9

 

[bradl]

“Please share your experiences with trustworthy password managers”

I have shared my experience.

Windows version is v4, OSX is v6. IOS v7.9

Okay.. So here is your problem.

Windows at version 4 you should be okay on, as long as there you make no processor architecture changes (read: you stay on an x86-based chip; If you go to ARM, you'll have a problem).

With OSX, you'll have the problem. I'm using iPW 6.8.9 on my mid-2011 MBA. The last OS supported for my Mac is High Sierra. More on why that is important shortly. With 1PW 7 being the latest for MacOS, I can upgrade to that; however, I can not purchase a license for it to use as a standalone application with a standalone vault that I can maintain on my Mac. It has the support for it, but I can't purchase it, because AgileBits took down the servers that handles those purchases and provisions those licenses. All you can do with it is either purchase a subscription, or have it leave your vault in read-only mode, where you can make no more changes to it. You can't add or delete anything out of that standalone vault on your Mac.

In short, there is no upgrade path available to use the last version of 1Password that has standalone vaults. You MUST purchase a subscription to use anything newer than 1Password 6 on a Mac. Even the version from the Mac App Store causes you to purchase a subscription.

Now, back to Macs. You could easily be perfectly content with staying on iPW 6. However, depending on your Mac and what year it was built (I'm going to assume it is an Intel Mac, because of the use of 1PW 6) your Mac may be supported by the latest OS, so you have an upgrade path for the OS. However, when Apple fully drops support for Intel processors, you will have no upgrade path to the latest OS, because you'll need 1PW to run. That will force you into a new Mac, which then you'll need to purchase 1PW 7 or 1PW 8... but you can't, because no standalone vault support, which will not only force you to purchase a subscription, but also that you can't put your vault on any Cloud service (read: can't use Dropbox). 1PW will require you to store your vaults on their servers. You do not have a choice for that.

So no upgrade path once Apple drops Intel Support, no standalone vaults, and no dropbox with 1Password 8 or newer. That is the problem you'll have.

BL.

 

[MacBH928]

“Please share your experiences with trustworthy password managers”

I have shared my experience.

Windows version is v4, OSX is v6. IOS v7.9

ah yes... this was meant for OTHER than 1password since this is a "1password migrants" thread. I thought you were looking for an alternative.

 

[MacBH928]

new competitor emergeres: https://padloc.app

I did not test, and not sure where it saves the data, supposedly open source . just sharing

 

[MacBH928]

A group of password managers curated ironically by 1password from this thread to convert other managers format to 1password:-

Avast Passwords​	​	Kaspersky Password Manager​	​	Password Depot​
Bitwarden​	​	KeePass 2​	​	Password Safe​
Chrome​	​	KeePassX​	​	Passwords Plus​
Clipperz​	​	Keeper Desktop​	​	PasswordWallet​
CSV​	​	Keychain​	​	RoboForm​
Data Guardian​	​	Key Finder​	​	Safe in Cloud​
DataVault​	​	LastPass​	​	SafeWallet​
Elpass​	​	LicenseKeeper​	​	SPB Wallet​
Enpass​	​	mSecure 3​	​	SplashID Safe​
EssentialPIM​	​	mSecure 5​	​	Sticky Password​
eWallet​	​	Norton Identity Safe​	​	True Key​
Firefox​	​	1Password 1PIF (to HTML, CSV)​	​	Text Files (to Secure Notes)​
F-Secure KEY​	​	Passpack​	​	vCard (from Contacts)​
Handy Safe​	​	Password Agent​	​	Subsembly Wallet 4X/4W​
IronKey Identity Manager​	​	Password Boss​	​	Yojimbo​

 

[Huntn]

Thanks for the input in this thread. For myself 1Password is OUT, Codebook is IN.

I freely admit that from a functionality standpoint, 1Password is more capable and more polished, but Agilebits blew it with their subscriptions and their servers after YEARS of all knowing insistence that stand alone vaults were the way to go.

Yeah this is an issue in the industry with $$$ in their eyes. deciding that renting you their product was best for their bottom line, instead of selling it. But a lot of us don’t want them as landlords, we want to own. So join the SoftRebel Alliance and just say no to their monthly fees!

 

[turbineseaplane]

You will get a lots of upvotes in the 1PW subreddit though, it's moderated by Agilebits employees and they downvote every critical question into oblivion since weeks.

I noticed that downvoting trend also.
What a useless way to be. It saddens me they are using tactics like that to try to massage the narratives.

Despite being a customer basically since day one, and someone who still is at the moment, I've lost basically all respect for this company.

They've sold out and all but declared their intentions.
I'm playing out the string on a year paid in advance and trying to figure out next steps.

Such a drag.

 

[7thson]

I’m intrigued by Bitwarden, but there doesn‘t appear to be an option to sync to a cloud service of my choice. Can someone confirm this or point me in the right direction?
Nevermind. Confirmed with Bitwarden that cloud sync isn’t supported.

 

[MisterSavage]

I’m intrigued by Bitwarden, but there doesn‘t appear to be an option to sync to a cloud service of my choice. Can someone confirm this or point me in the right direction?
Nevermind. Confirmed with Bitwarden that cloud sync isn’t supported.

?? The default setup has your vault in the cloud that syncs to all of your devices.

Or did you mean a local vault you could put on Apple's iCloud?

 

[7thson]

?? The default setup has your vault in the cloud that syncs to all of your devices.

Or did you mean a local vault you could put on Apple's iCloud?

Yeah, I meant my own choice of cloud storage, be it Dropbox, iCloud, etc. I realize Bitwarden and 1Password‘s configuration allows access from any device, but the reality is I only really need it from my devices. I may use Bitwarden for my windows needs, but that leads me down a path of bifurcated vaults. Suboptimal.

 

[deeddawg]

Yeah, I meant my own choice of cloud storage, be it Dropbox, iCloud, etc. I

Enpass does this.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

new competitor emergeres: https://padloc.app

I did not test, and not sure where it saves the data, supposedly open source . just sharing

It’s cloud based saving. Also recurring subscription charges for anything over 50 passwords or family/companies. Individual is $3 a month. Companies $3 per person per month.

 

[MacBH928]

So far I have been using Enpass.
Its a little bit finicky and not solid as 1PW , there are some weird glitches, and autofill shortcut not working on FF and the canceled their CMD+\ shortcut for reasons unknown to me.

Looks like the company is a bit amateurish and have a small team. I am hoping their user base grows and get better developers. Currently its nearly the only software that :-

1. sells a license
2. decent GUI
3. multiplatform
4. local vault
5. cloud vault of choice
6. WiFi Sync

I heard StickyPassword is problematic and I am just not confident in Codebook being a side project for their company where as Enpass is the only focus for them.