1Password migrants thread

[MisterSavage]

I just realised Bitwarden only way of making money is to host your data, since its open source, they will never make a local vault as an option.

Well I don't think them hosting your data is an ulterior motive to make money. They state that the free plan is free and will be free forever. If I stored my TOTP codes elsewhere I could easily get by with just the free plan. Self hosting is also free, but obviously not as easy as just having a file that is your local vault like Keepass and the old 1PW used to do.

 

[sppunk]

Pretty set on moving to Strongbox for iOS - pros/cons of using Keepass for the main database? I’d store in iCloud (mayyyyyybe Dropbox just to have passwords separate from the apple ecosystem just for sake of failed servers) - if so what’s the best MacOS app to utilize for KeePass? I don’t use my iMac as much as my iPhone and iPhone so don’t need to spend $28 on the Strongbox desktop app, necessarily.

 

[MacBH928]

Well I don't think them hosting your data is an ulterior motive to make money. They state that the free plan is free and will be free forever. If I stored my TOTP codes elsewhere I could easily get by with just the free plan. Self hosting is also free, but obviously not as easy as just having a file that is your local vault like Keepass and the old 1PW used to do.

my point was they do not work on a local storage solution because thats not something they can make money off. While yes they do offer a FREE plan , their way of making money is via the cloud solution

 

[MacBH928]

Pretty set on moving to Strongbox for iOS - pros/cons of using Keepass for the main database? I’d store in iCloud (mayyyyyybe Dropbox just to have passwords separate from the apple ecosystem just for sake of failed servers) - if so what’s the best MacOS app to utilize for KeePass? I don’t use my iMac as much as my iPhone and iPhone so don’t need to spend $28 on the Strongbox desktop app, necessarily.

-KeePassXC

-Keeweb.info

-MacPass:

I never used any or recommend them, but those are the keepass compatible ones, at least the ones I know

 

[AppliedMicro]

KeePassium is available on macOS too (Cross-platform buy with iOS).

 

[toasted ICT]

@sppunk From Strongbox website "Strongbox stores your private data in one of two industry leading and open source formats. This can be the well known and widely supported KeePass format (KDB and KDBX) or the long respected Password Safe format (PSAFE3)"
and
"Strongbox itself is also open source with the code available for perusal and audit on Github"
For what its worth, I decided, for myself, to just go with the Keepass format. It gets good reviews anywhere you look on the net and I figured it keeps things simple as far as support goes. I guess you could always drop a note to the Strongbox folk and get their opinion.

 

[MacBH928]

Deals Exclusive: Get Your First Year of the 1Password Individual Plan for 50% Off

Customers must be so happy Agilebits finally served their wish and made 1Password subscription only + take out local storage they can't handle the amount of new signups , its what the customer wants ????

 

[aajeevlin]

Interesting website. I see they have lots of offers. Never used it myself since I am from UK.

Assuming that being in UK isn't an issue. I have purchased a lifetime license from them for. VPN service several years ago and I'm still using it.

 

[Berries-A-Million]

I recently left 1password for bitwarden. Works well and its free.

 

[aajeevlin]

I recently left 1password for bitwarden. Works well and its free.

I'm still so confused after Googling online. Do you HAVE to store vault with Bitwarden on their cloud? Or can you setup offline like how 1password used to be? Say on Dropbox, OneDrive and such?

 

[MisterSavage]

I'm still so confused after Googling online. Do you HAVE to store vault with Bitwarden on their cloud? Or can you setup offline like how 1password used to be? Say on Dropbox, OneDrive and such?

You don't have to store your vault online with BW but it's more complicated to do it yourself. KeePass as an example stores your vault in a local file. With BW to keep your data to yourself you need to "self host" and run a Bitwarden server that the Bitwarden client can connect to. Some people do this with a computer while some have even put the BW server on something such as a Raspberry Pi.

 

[MacBH928]

I'm still so confused after Googling online. Do you HAVE to store vault with Bitwarden on their cloud? Or can you setup offline like how 1password used to be? Say on Dropbox, OneDrive and such?

Yes I do not advise you to use Bitwarden for self storage unless you know what you are doing. If you are looking for an open source self hosting option refer to the first post in this thread for all the KeePass compatible options or you can use Enpass or Codebook.

EnPass is closest to 1PW but unfortunately its not that polished and feels stupid to use sometimes (it gives wrong suggestion in specific fields, like credit card in e-mail field) . I am on Enpass but hoping it develops to the better in the future.

 

[Wheel_D]

Hello -

Thanks for an informative thread.

Zetetic Codebook looks good, but there's apparently no support for Linux. Frustrating! I can't be the only one who relies on Linux as much as other operating systems.

I first considered Bitwarden a few years ago, when it too was a one-man operation. How nice to see that it's matured.

 

[aajeevlin]

You don't have to store your vault online with BW but it's more complicated to do it yourself. KeePass as an example stores your vault in a local file. With BW to keep your data to yourself you need to "self host" and run a Bitwarden server that the Bitwarden client can connect to. Some people do this with a computer while some have even put the BW server on something such as a Raspberry Pi.

Yes I do not advise you to use Bitwarden for self storage unless you know what you are doing. If you are looking for an open source self hosting option refer to the first post in this thread for all the KeePass compatible options or you can use Enpass or Codebook.

EnPass is closest to 1PW but unfortunately its not that polished and feels stupid to use sometimes (it gives wrong suggestion in specific fields, like credit card in e-mail field) . I am on Enpass but hoping it develops to the better in the future.

Thanks guys for the clarification. I'll take a look at both options.

 

[aajeevlin]

Yes I do not advise you to use Bitwarden for self storage unless you know what you are doing. If you are looking for an open source self hosting option refer to the first post in this thread for all the KeePass compatible options or you can use Enpass or Codebook.

EnPass is closest to 1PW but unfortunately its not that polished and feels stupid to use sometimes (it gives wrong suggestion in specific fields, like credit card in e-mail field) . I am on Enpass but hoping it develops to the better in the future.

If you don't mind me asking, what would you think is the best one for family? Security, ease of password sharing and such? I'm a long time 1Password user, and it seems like as much as we dislike their current practice they are pretty feature reach when it comes to sharing and for working with the whole family. Is Enpass as easy? Thanks for the input.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Is there a negative to Strongbix with iCloud backup? I’m an oolllllld 1Password user and still timing V6 on my iMac but it’s time to transfer to something else. I won’t put my passwords on a password managers’ servers.

I‘ve researched every alternative and it looks the cleanest. Empass looks nice but I question it’s longevity.

Strongbox vault is stored in the Strongbox folder in iCloud.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I just realised Bitwarden only way of making money is to host your data, since its open source, they will never make a local vault as an option.

Bitwarden makes their primary money from their business model.

 

[MisterSavage]

Yes I do not advise you to use Bitwarden for self storage unless you know what you are doing. If you are looking for an open source self hosting option refer to the first post in this thread for all the KeePass compatible options or you can use Enpass or Codebook.

Good point and I forgot to mention that. If you self host with Bitwarden you really should make sure your server is locked down and properly maintained. Definitely not the same as just securing a vault file like KeePass does.

 

[Alwis]

Good point and I forgot to mention that. If you self host with Bitwarden you really should make sure your server is locked down and properly maintained. Definitely not the same as just securing a vault file like KeePass does.

You can host Bitwarden on your desktop or a local NAS, no need to host it on a server reachable from the internet. Beside that, the data on the server is encryptet.

 

[MisterSavage]

You can host Bitwarden on your desktop or a local NAS, no need to host it on a server reachable from the internet. Beside that, the data on the server is encryptet.

100% aware of all of that. That's why I mentioned something such as a Raspberry Pi. But if you have your server on something that's connected to the Internet you want to make sure it's locked down and maintained.

 

[MacBH928]

If you don't mind me asking, what would you think is the best one for family? Security, ease of password sharing and such? I'm a long time 1Password user, and it seems like as much as we dislike their current practice they are pretty feature reach when it comes to sharing and for working with the whole family. Is Enpass as easy? Thanks for the input.

Well, the whole reason people are moving away from 1PW is that its forcing subscription and storing on their servers. If you are looking for a family option and sharing then this means some sort of cloud option is required so 1PW serves you just right.

If you just hate 1PW and want to use something else you can use other online storage options like Dashlane, RoboForm, PasswordBoss , LastPass...but LastPass I hear have a lot of breaching issues idk.

EnPass is just as easy as 1PW and you can host its vault on ANY cloud storage you want AFAIK its problem is that its not as polished as 1PW and is a bit quirky. Sometimes it feels its still in Beta but very usable and has license option no monthlysubscription.

You can hunt for software deals from special deals site online. I got Enpass from stacksocial.com that was kindly shared by @Apple_Robert

If you are using Apple products only there are other options like Strongbox. Refer to first post in this thread for a summary of options

Bitwarden makes their primary money from their business model.

Yes , and that business model relies on cloud storage and not local. Hence why they do not care to develop a local vault storage option.

Maybe some guy can fork Bitwarden and make a local storage vault.

You can host Bitwarden on your desktop or a local NAS, no need to host it on a server reachable from the internet. Beside that, the data on the server is encryptet.

to host it you need a server not an encrypted file like other password managers, and this is the problem that setting a server is too much for most people and inconvenient .

I wonder if you can like put an online storage like Dropbox as your vault host for Bitwarden.

 

[MacBH928]

Hello -

Thanks for an informative thread.

Zetetic Codebook looks good, but there's apparently no support for Linux. Frustrating! I can't be the only one who relies on Linux as much as other operating systems.

I first considered Bitwarden a few years ago, when it too was a one-man operation. How nice to see that it's matured.

options do exist: https://www.fossmint.com/linux-password-managers/

EnPass supports linux, you might want to give Bitwarden a try it might have gotten better since then, there is also Keeper which is very corporate like but seems popular. I do not trust them though.

 

[MacBH928]

New contender if you are feeling adventurous :

Buttercup: https://buttercup.pw/

 

[aajeevlin]

Well, the whole reason people are moving away from 1PW is that its forcing subscription and storing on their servers. If you are looking for a family option and sharing then this means some sort of cloud option is required so 1PW serves you just right.

If you just hate 1PW and want to use something else you can use other online storage options like Dashlane, RoboForm, PasswordBoss , LastPass...but LastPass I hear have a lot of breaching issues idk.

EnPass is just as easy as 1PW and you can host its vault on ANY cloud storage you want AFAIK its problem is that its not as polished as 1PW and is a bit quirky. Sometimes it feels its still in Beta but very usable and has license option no monthlysubscription.

You can hunt for software deals from special deals site online. I got Enpass from stacksocial.com that was kindly shared by @Apple_Robert

If you are using Apple products only there are other options like Strongbox. Refer to first post in this thread for a summary of options



Yes , and that business model relies on cloud storage and not local. Hence why they do not care to develop a local vault storage option.

Maybe some guy can fork Bitwarden and make a local storage vault.



to host it you need a server not an encrypted file like other password managers, and this is the problem that setting a server is too much for most people and inconvenient .

I wonder if you can like put an online storage like Dropbox as your vault host for Bitwarden.

Thanks again, I won't say that I hate 1PW, maybe their practice is a bit off-putting, but they are in the business to make money so they can honest do whatever they want, the market will eventually reflect when they are over the line too much. As for me personally, I just want to know 1PW is trust worthy, as well as if their online storage is secure (again, long time 1PW user, but have never used their online storage). I'm OKAY with their pricing, $60/year, it's honestly a small price to pay comparing to getting your account hacked or all the hassle that comes with not being able to share password with family member.

I do plan to give Enpass a good look as well though.

 

[Alwis]

to host it you need a server not an encrypted file like other password managers, and this is the problem that setting a server is too much for most people and inconvenient .

Yes, this is technically correct but there is no reason, the server software could not run on your desktop or a NAS in your home. This is especially very easy using the Vaultwarden container instead of the solution from Bitwarden itself.

But I do agree, most people will not be able to properly setup Vaultwarden.

I have a test installation on a small Linux server I use for home automation and some other self hosted software and for me it works well.