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2006/2007 Mac Pro (1,1/2,1) and OS X El Capitan
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Thanks. Now I just have to figure out why SuperDuper started crashing on start for me...
Hello maukkuSuccesfully upgraded my 1.1-server from Yosemite to El Capitan by using my MBP and attaching the boot disk of MP as external drive. After copying the boot.efi and plugging the SSD back to the 1.1, it booted the new OS just fine.
The machine has a old PC Radeon HD4650, which I had managed to get fully working under some previous Yosemite version, but after some later update broke it, it has been sitting idle as I had no extreme need for it and no interest to fix the required kexts.
The problem is, that as I run the machine headless, I have to access it trough SSH or VNC. When I updated to latest El Capitan version (10.11.6) and installed a couple of other updates, VNC stopped working. Connecting to machine works (from windows or mac), but after selecting my user account in the login screen and entering my password, the view freezes for a moment and then just returns to initial login view with all user accounts listed.
To diagnose the issue, I checked system.log, and found out that every time I try to login via VNC, I get some (or quite much really) error output about graphics. Could it be that after some update, a proper GPU acceleration is needed to run the VNC-desktop? SSH, file sharing and other server features work just fine, but maintaining a os x-server via command line is just not very handy.
Does anyone have experiences of similar VNC-problems, or generally about getting HD 4650 to work under 10.11.6? Google found some pre-patched kexts, but they were for 10.11.5 and didn't work. I also checked that vanilla kexts provided by Apple already contain the required device-id (0x9498) for this specific card so I can't figure out why it is not auto-detected.
Also there is the SIP. What mechanism is the one that re-activates it? As it has to be disabled via recovery mode, where I can't boot due to missing GPU, every time I need to disable it to tinker with kexts I have to attach my boot drive to my MBP, boot to recovery with it and do the disabling, which is quite annoying. And after a while it is again re-enabled
I cannot help you with your graphics questions. I simply don't know the answers.
However, for the SIP questions, if you connect the drive to your MBP then SIP is not relevant. SIP protects the active OS partition. Your MacPro disk is just another collection of folders as far as the MBP is concerned. It will not matter if SIP is on or off. There is no need to boot into the Recovery HD of your MBP.
The MacPro disk will still obey the file system permission layers. The /Volumes/MacPro/System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi file normally has two file system protection layers; flags and UNIX permissions
You will need to be an administrator (or root user) to make changes.
First you need to unlock the boot.efi file using change flags
Code:
chflags nouchg /Volumes/MacPro/System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efiThen you can replace the file.
The boot.efi file at /Volumes/MacPro/usr/standalone/i386/boot.efi does not usually have the uchg flag set. You can replace that one if you are the root user.
Thanks for clearing the SIP thing out, I thought I had it disabled, but it is not per-disk or installation, but per machine.
After a little scratching of head, I managed to disable it "blindly". I put instructions here in case someone else needs to do the same:
1) Plug a USB keyboard to the MP, and boot to recovery with cmd+R
2) After that press ctrl+F2, which selects the Apple-menu.
3) To access terminal, press 4 times to right, and three times down. Press enter.
4) Write the usual csrutil disable, enter, reboot
Also before booting to recovery mode I had to mount the recovery partition on the other mac and put the boot.efi and Mac Pro 1,1 board id's in there.
After disabling SIP I managed to install the required kexts for the Radeon 4650, and now it is working just as it should. VNC also started working immediately after fixing the GPU issue. Next thing I'm gonna do is make a backup image of the boot disk, just in case
Thanks for that "blindly" recovery tip. Not tested yet. My 1060 still has no drivers under elcap. When I need it, I use remote desktop. It's mostly a windows machine now.
update : ( tested ) for me ( same on my macbookpro ) it's 4 times down.
I now got windows 10 setup on a hard disk ( same as el cap ). works great , but I now want to clone the windows 10 to an SSD drive. I once managed for macrium reflect to clone the bootcamp partition to the SSD and it was booting, but not properly. It seemed that somewhere in the boot up it switched to the hard disk. Also tried just using dd to put the partition on the SSD, but didn't get it to work. Now thinking of buying the cheapest winclone version to put it on the SSD.
( the blindly tip might come in handy then )
from this page :
http://fgimian.github.io/blog/2016/03/12/installing-windows-10-on-a-mac-without-bootcamp/
I found this :
"Once you add a FAT32 partition with either Boot Camp Assistant or Disk Utility, your disk is converted into a hybrid GPT / MBR disk which is actually not supported by newer versions of Windows. In this step, we revert this additional change made by Disk Utility by switching back to a pure GPT partition table."
There is more at the link. Tried that as well. But now doubting and confused. why would apple not do it properly.
can my 2006 boot windows efi ?
Any expert advice on how to format the SSD for windows if there is no osx on it ? I even tried with MBR.
update : ( tested ) for me ( same on my macbookpro ) it's 4 times down.
I now got windows 10 setup on a hard disk ( same as el cap ). works great , but I now want to clone the windows 10 to an SSD drive. I once managed for macrium reflect to clone the bootcamp partition to the SSD and it was booting, but not properly. It seemed that somewhere in the boot up it switched to the hard disk. Also tried just using dd to put the partition on the SSD, but didn't get it to work. Now thinking of buying the cheapest winclone version to put it on the SSD.
( the blindly tip might come in handy then )
from this page :
http://fgimian.github.io/blog/2016/03/12/installing-windows-10-on-a-mac-without-bootcamp/
I found this :
"Once you add a FAT32 partition with either Boot Camp Assistant or Disk Utility, your disk is converted into a hybrid GPT / MBR disk which is actually not supported by newer versions of Windows. In this step, we revert this additional change made by Disk Utility by switching back to a pure GPT partition table."
There is more at the link. Tried that as well. But now doubting and confused. why would apple not do it properly.
can my 2006 boot windows efi ?
Any expert advice on how to format the SSD for windows if there is no osx on it ? I even tried with MBR.
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I'm confused, where can I download an already pikified ready to go .dmg file similar to the Yosemite one I used to install on my old Mac 1.1? When I click the link it takes me to a thread that then takes me to another thread and then back to this one.
[doublepost=1481892949][/doublepost]I had the same problem. But it happened to me when I updated to the latest Security update. My Mac 1.1 went crazy like yours. I couldn't even reinstall Yosemite. I finally Cloned my other Mac Pro 1.1 and installed the Hard Drive. It worked great. It seems maybe Apple came up with something in there last update that squashed us from keeping our old Mac Pro's 1.1 -2.1 form being updated. If anyone has a better way of getting updates let me know. I currently do it thru the App. Store..
update on my windows 10 installation.
Bought winclone basic ( about 20 euros ). At first it was a bummer as it wanted 20 euros more because
it noticed I once had enough money to buy a mac with multiple internal drives.
After thinking for a while, I removed all disks except for the osx ( with bootcamp on it ) disk. and hurray
, it made a backup from it. ( saved it on the network on my macbooks ssd )
Today inserted the other drives and restored the bootcamp backup to the SSD where it
was supposed to go.
Then removed the osx and bootcamp disk. rebooted, and happily running windows10 now from the SSD.
next step ( somewhere next year ) is to run el cap through virtualbox.
If running elcap through virtualbox on its own hdd, would I have to disable sip ?
Bought winclone basic ( about 20 euros ). At first it was a bummer as it wanted 20 euros more because
it noticed I once had enough money to buy a mac with multiple internal drives.
After thinking for a while, I removed all disks except for the osx ( with bootcamp on it ) disk. and hurray
, it made a backup from it. ( saved it on the network on my macbooks ssd )
Today inserted the other drives and restored the bootcamp backup to the SSD where it
was supposed to go.
Then removed the osx and bootcamp disk. rebooted, and happily running windows10 now from the SSD.
next step ( somewhere next year ) is to run el cap through virtualbox.
If running elcap through virtualbox on its own hdd, would I have to disable sip ?
Thank you for everyone providing such amazing help and instructions and I was able to upgrade my Mac Pro 2007 2,1 to El Capitan 10.11.6. It is running very well. I am now thinking of moving to a Mercury Electra 3G SSD from OWC to speed up my system. I have two questions, please.
1. Is installing 10.11.6 onto this SSD same as I did for my HDD, or are there any differences? Which installation package I should prefer, please?
2. Is it better to mount it into one of the SATA HDD slots on my Mac Pro or on a PCIe card, please? Which will give me a faster response?
Thank you very much for your help.
1. Is installing 10.11.6 onto this SSD same as I did for my HDD, or are there any differences? Which installation package I should prefer, please?
2. Is it better to mount it into one of the SATA HDD slots on my Mac Pro or on a PCIe card, please? Which will give me a faster response?
Thank you very much for your help.
I was looking for the 1,1's PCIe exact speed and found an interesting answer to your question #2:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5865142?tstart=0
As for your question #1, just use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone you current drive on your SSD and you're good to go. That's what I did on mine and it works perfectly.
May I ask, are you talking about the Security Update 2016-003 10.11.6? I wanted to install that Update but now I'm hesitating. I'm on a 2006 Mac Pro 1.1/2.1 with OSX 11.10.6. Others here mentioned the installation of this security update went fine. But maybe they have younger Mac Pros?
Would be great if someone could confirm that this update works with a Mac Pro 2006 1,1/2,1.
TIA!
Negative. I backup all my data (photos, music, stuff pretty often manually on an external HD but I've never backed up the entire image before.
I do have an older HD with 10.8 on it. I could reinstall that drive and boot from that, and then modify the EFI from the terminal on that install?
Help. Right now I'm stuck running win7. The recovery drive won't even boot, if I select it it just boots into windows.
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How long did it take to install the latest security update?
Been staring at a black screen for 15minutes now. Starting to get nervous. I never had an issue with any past update
EDIT- the update worked with the help of a forced restart
This was the full procedure:
1. Computer restarts to black install loading bar
2. Computer restarted automatically with no display (I have a PC ATI 5770 GPU)
3. After 45min I manually restarted the computer with the power button
4. Installation continued with white loading bar. Desktop loaded after complete.
Been staring at a black screen for 15minutes now. Starting to get nervous. I never had an issue with any past update
EDIT- the update worked with the help of a forced restart
This was the full procedure:
1. Computer restarts to black install loading bar
2. Computer restarted automatically with no display (I have a PC ATI 5770 GPU)
3. After 45min I manually restarted the computer with the power button
4. Installation continued with white loading bar. Desktop loaded after complete.
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I have MacPro 2,1 with 20GB RAM and ATI Sapphire 7950, main HDD is FusionDrive (Samsung 850 EVO 512GB + Western Digital WD10EAR-X 1TB). No problem with any update till now.
Updated with last Security Update 2016-003 10.11.6, everything went as normal. Mac rebooted, but was little sluggish at first. When all drives appeared, everything disk related went slow. Opening the main disk lasted for almost a minute (spinning beach ball in between). There were all files on drive, but not one program worked. For every one there was a message “Application XX is damaged or incomplete and cannot be run”. This also happened on second WD10EAR-X which has a copy of system 10.11.4. All applications appeared as damaged.
So, I restored from TimeMachine, almost 24 hours later Mac was working again. For two days. Then I applied the security update again, with the same result.
Another restore from Time Machine and I have no more desire to apply the security update again.
Updated with last Security Update 2016-003 10.11.6, everything went as normal. Mac rebooted, but was little sluggish at first. When all drives appeared, everything disk related went slow. Opening the main disk lasted for almost a minute (spinning beach ball in between). There were all files on drive, but not one program worked. For every one there was a message “Application XX is damaged or incomplete and cannot be run”. This also happened on second WD10EAR-X which has a copy of system 10.11.4. All applications appeared as damaged.
So, I restored from TimeMachine, almost 24 hours later Mac was working again. For two days. Then I applied the security update again, with the same result.
Another restore from Time Machine and I have no more desire to apply the security update again.
So I have managed to get El Capitan running on my Mac Pro 1.1 without any issues using pikify3.1.v12. I have also setup Boot64.v3 so that I could update from the version of El Cap that I have, (10.11.4), to the latest. (I haven't actually done this yet).
I have replaced the graphics card with an AMD Radeon 6870 and am running 20GB RAM.
I also decided to install two X5365's which I have now done. Everything seems to be working perfectly but I read somewhere that I should upgrade the firmware to 2.1 for these processors? I downloaded the firmware upgrade tool, hold down the power button on restart until the long beep but it doesn't do anything.
Any Ideas? Do I need to update to 2.1? It seems to be running fine and reports all 8 cores... it does say unknown processor though.
I have replaced the graphics card with an AMD Radeon 6870 and am running 20GB RAM.
I also decided to install two X5365's which I have now done. Everything seems to be working perfectly but I read somewhere that I should upgrade the firmware to 2.1 for these processors? I downloaded the firmware upgrade tool, hold down the power button on restart until the long beep but it doesn't do anything.
Any Ideas? Do I need to update to 2.1? It seems to be running fine and reports all 8 cores... it does say unknown processor though.
In the Riser A card are two 4 Gig modules in position 1 and 2, and in the Riser B card are two 4 Gig modules also in position 1 and 2. Two 2 Gig modules are placed on the Riser A card in position 3 and 4. Should work fine.
You don't "need" to upgrade the firmware, but you do not need to be afraid.
Upgrading the firmware helps to identify the processors to the OS. My MacPro 1,1 is flashed to 2,1 firmware and it has been very stable.
Ah that's good to know. So any ideas why I can't get the firmware update to work? could it be because of the boot64 updating the EFI each time I shutdown?
Can someone please share me their el capitan installer? i never download it from the app store. i try downloading some from torrent but when i ran the installation it say
"This copy of the Install OS X El Capitan application can't be verified. It may have been corrupted or tampered with during downloading.
Delete this copy of the application, and go to the Purchases page of the Mac App Store to download a new copy."
then i have to cancel the installation, please help.
"This copy of the Install OS X El Capitan application can't be verified. It may have been corrupted or tampered with during downloading.
Delete this copy of the application, and go to the Purchases page of the Mac App Store to download a new copy."
then i have to cancel the installation, please help.
Boot64 and the boot.efi files are not the same as "the firmware upgrade" they are different.
Boot64 is a Launch Deamon that watches the file locations for changes to the boot.efi files. Boot64 does not update the EFI evrytime you shutdown. It watches the /System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi and the /usr/standalone/i386/boot.efi files. If an Apple update overwrites the files, it will put the Pike versions back. It does this before the Apple Update gets to the end of the update and asks to restart. Therefore when you restart you will be okay.
The firmware upgrade is for the EEPROM, part of the hardware.
Did you get the upgrade tool off the Netkas forums? If you did, be aware there are two versions, one for the early MacPros and one for the later MacPros. Make sure you're using the right one.
http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,1094.0.html
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