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mikejackson16

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iMessage

Unlike the messages problem described at the top of this thread, my messages just hangs, no validation code given. Same with FaceTime.

Anyone seen the before?

Mac Pro 1,1 (2,1) running Yosemite
 

Mr. Zarniwoop

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Ok, thanks. Any idea if there was a fix for that I can search? I used the SFOTT key method, not sure if that has anything to do with chameleon..?
Cheers
I would try, in order:
  • Messages, Preferences, remove iMessage account. Quit Messages. Reboot. Try re-adding iMessage account.
  • System Preferences, iCloud, Sign Out. Reboot. Try re-logging into iCloud. Then try re-adding iMessage.
  • Reset NVRAM. Reboot. Then try re-logging into iCloud. Then try re-adding iMessage.
I bet by the last step you at least get to the standard iMessage Validation error.
 

jayfrantz

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Having difficulty booting from USB thumb drive

Thank you Hennesie for the comprehensive and detailed instructions.

I am having trouble booting from the thumb drive made following your instructions. When I select the thumb drive as the startup disk in system preferences and restart, the Mac Pro doesn't see the thumb drive as valid then just boots from my Lion install.

This was exacerbated by my using a non-flashed non-Apple 5770, so I can't normally see anything until the login screen. I dug out the original card and plugged it in to see the boot screen, and the startup manager doesn't show the thumb drive as an option, just the Lion install and recovery partition.

I checked the format of the thumb drive, it is GUID partitioned and HFS+(not journaled, I believe when the BaseSystem.dmg is restored to a drive it formats it non-journaled).

I have also had troubles in the past getting the Mac pro to recognize a Win 7 install, and have had to swap HDDs in and out to get the system to pick the boot drive I desire, and some issues may remain from my experimenting with the bless command to try and get that to work back in March.

I have zapped the PRAM (while saying the archaic prayers to happy Mac that we remember from Classic days, of course), tried reformatting the thumb drive and rewriting it, and not had success.

I was stuck with similar problems with the Tiamo method and Mavericks back in March, and eventually gave up terribly frustrated.

Other things that may be be relevant: this was a Mac Pro 1,1 that a previous owner swapped dual 2.66 5320s(could be mistaken as to part number but they are each a 2.66 quad core). I do not know if / how well the previous owner updated the firmware or SMC, but the system does self-identify as a Mac Pro 2,1 in the system profiler.

Any thoughts or experiments to attempt are appreciated.
 
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Hennesie2000

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2006/2007 Mac Pro (1,1/2,1) and OS X Yosemite

Thank you Hennesie for the comprehensive and detailed instructions.



I am having trouble booting from the thumb drive made following your instructions. When I select the thumb drive as the startup disk in system preferences and restart, the Mac Pro doesn't see the thumb drive as valid then just boots from my Lion install.



This was exacerbated by my using a non-flashed non-Apple 5770, so I can't normally see anything until the login screen. I dug out the original card and plugged it in to see the boot screen, and the startup manager doesn't show the thumb drive as an option, just the Lion install and recovery partition.



I checked the format of the thumb drive, it is GUID partitioned and HFS+(not journaled, I believe when the BaseSystem.dmg is restored to a drive it formats it non-journaled).



I have also had troubles in the past getting the Mac pro to recognize a Win 7 install, and have had to swap HDDs in and out to get the system to pick the boot drive I desire, and some issues may remain from my experimenting with the bless command to try and get that to work back in March.



I have zapped the PRAM (while saying the archaic prayers to happy Mac that we remember from Classic days, of course), tried reformatting the thumb drive and rewriting it, and not had success.



I was stuck with similar problems with the Tiamo method and Mavericks back in March, and eventually gave up terribly frustrated.



Other things that may be be relevant: this was a Mac Pro 1,1 that a previous owner swapped dual 2.66 5320s(could be mistaken as to part number but they are each a 2.66 quad core). I do not know if / how well the previous owner updated the firmware or SMC, but the system does self-identify as a Mac Pro 2,1 in the system profiler.



Any thoughts or experiments to attempt are appreciated.


You can try setting the startup disk using terminal

Code:
sudo bless -mount /Volumes/Installer -setBoot

You can also use this line to make it only boot once to the Installer and the next reboot will boot back to your current startup disk

Code:
sudo bless -mount /Volumes/Installer -setBoot -nextonly
 
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jayfrantz

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Tried the second command. Rebooted, no dice. As I mentioned, the startup manager (when you boot holding down option) does not show Installer as an option, though Installer does appear as an option in System Preferences. I have had trouble getting other bootable drives to appear in the startup manager as well.

Should I point bless specifically to the boot.efi file in Installer/System/Library/Core
\ Services/ to see if that helps startup manager?
 

Hennesie2000

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Tried the second command. Rebooted, no dice. As I mentioned, the startup manager (when you boot holding down option) does not show Installer as an option, though Installer does appear as an option in System Preferences. I have had trouble getting other bootable drives to appear in the startup manager as well.



Should I point bless specifically to the boot.efi file in Installer/System/Library/Core

\ Services/ to see if that helps startup manager?


You can try that
 

jayfrantz

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What would the correct syntax be? I know that bless can also overwrite the boot.efi in order to make a drive bootable, and I wouldn't want to accidentally put in that command.

I have looked at the man page for bless and there are multiple modes to use it in, which is why I am uncertain as to the correct syntax to avoid mucking up the installer.
 

Hennesie2000

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What would the correct syntax be? I know that bless can also overwrite the boot.efi in order to make a drive bootable, and I wouldn't want to accidentally put in that command.

I have looked at the man page for bless and there are multiple modes to use it in, which is why I am uncertain as to the correct syntax to avoid mucking up the installer.


I'll have to look it up. The only time I have used the full path to the boot.efi is when setting up Clover or Chameleon.
 

jayfrantz

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What would the correct syntax be? I know that bless can also overwrite the boot.efi in order to make a drive bootable, and I wouldn't want to accidentally put in that command.

So far I have tried "bless --verbose --info" which told me:

[some EFI boot device string info and a UUID that I am not including, but it indicated it was disk4s2]
Processing boot option 'Mac OS X'
Boot option matches XML representation
Found device: disk4s2
Disk boot device detected
mount: /Volumes/Installer
Mount point for /Volumes/Installer is /Volumes/Installer
GPT detected
No auxiliary booter partition required
System partition found
Preferred system partition found: disk0s1

[some booter dictionary information as to system partitions, data partitions and aux partitions, the system partitions were disk0s1 and disk 4s1 and the data partition was disk4s2]

finderinfo[0]: 35 => Blessed System Folder is /Volumes/Installer/System/Library/CoreServices
finderinfo[1]: 55344 => Blessed System File is /Volumes/Installer/System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi
finderinfo[2]: 0 => Open-folder linked list empty
finderinfo[3]: 0 => No alternate OS blessed file/folder
finderinfo[4]: 0 => Unused field unset
finderinfo[5]: 35 => OS X blessed folder is /Volumes/Installer/System/Library/CoreServices

I am uncertain if that helps indicate if there is a problem with how Installer is blessed, or the blessing options I have set in general.

I then put in "bless --file /Volumes/Installer/System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi --verbose"

Which returned the error No volume specified.

I then put in "bless --mount /Volumes/Installer --file /Volumes/Installer/System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi" to see if you can pass both a mount and the file at it, which returned:

EFI found at IODeviceTree:/efi
Mount point for /Volumes/Installer is /Volumes/Installer
Mount point is '/Volumes/Installer'
No BootX creation requested
No boot.efi creation requested
 

Hennesie2000

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So far I have tried "bless --verbose --info" which told me:







I am uncertain if that helps indicate if there is a problem with how Installer is blessed, or the blessing options I have set in general.



I then put in "bless --file /Volumes/Installer/System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi --verbose"



Which returned the error No volume specified.



I then put in "bless --mount /Volumes/Installer --file /Volumes/Installer/System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi" to see if you can pass both a mount and the file at it, which returned:


I think the people who are having issues with it not showing up in the system preferences as a start up disk either have a bad "Install OS X Yosemite" app or a bad thumb drive. I just restored the BaseSystem.dmg from a copy of the App that I downloaded using my wife's supported MacBook Pro. As soon as I had restore the dmg it showed up in the start up disk preferences. I did not modify it at all yet. This was tested on a supported MacBook Pro though because my Mac Pro is still down and I am waiting on a PSU I ordered.
 

jayfrantz

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The drive does show up in startup disk in system preferences, but not in the startup manager when the computer actually boots. Selecting the Installer in the system pref's is possible, but doing so does not actually have any effect (on reboot the system waits a bit longer, presumably the EFI is looking for the boot.efi file on the Installer and fails, but I don't know for sure) then falls back to booting up the Lion install.
 

Hennesie2000

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The drive does show up in startup disk in system preferences, but not in the startup manager when the computer actually boots. Selecting the Installer in the system pref's is possible, but doing so does not actually have any effect (on reboot the system waits a bit longer, presumably the EFI is looking for the boot.efi file on the Installer and fails, but I don't know for sure) then falls back to booting up the Lion install.


Have you tried using another version of the boot.efi file? Some people were not having any luck with the black version but would with the grey version.
 

apple_iBoy

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The drive does show up in startup disk in system preferences, but not in the startup manager when the computer actually boots. Selecting the Installer in the system pref's is possible, but doing so does not actually have any effect (on reboot the system waits a bit longer, presumably the EFI is looking for the boot.efi file on the Installer and fails, but I don't know for sure) then falls back to booting up the Lion install.

For what it's worth, I'm having the exact same issue as you. I have tried 3 times. I got a new USB drive but haven't had a chance to try it yet.
 

TwangKing

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I think the people who are having issues with it not showing up in the system preferences as a start up disk either have a bad "Install OS X Yosemite" app or a bad thumb drive.

I have made at least a half dozen attempts using 3 different thumb drives, no luck whatsoever, they never show up in the system preferences, but they do show when booting from the option key. I am still on Snow Leopard and am beginning to wonder it that's the problem. My Yosemite install (build 14A389) was downloaded from the app store using the Mavericks download enabler which was posted on the Mac Pro Mavericks forum, it should be fine.

I have access to a newer Macbook running Mavericks, I'm going to give that a shot and see if it makes a difference.

Steve
 

H2SO4

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I have made at least a half dozen attempts using 3 different thumb drives, no luck whatsoever, they never show up in the system preferences, but they do show when booting from the option key. I am still on Snow Leopard and am beginning to wonder it that's the problem. My Yosemite install (build 14A389) was downloaded from the app store using the Mavericks download enabler which was posted on the Mac Pro Mavericks forum, it should be fine.

I have access to a newer Macbook running Mavericks, I'm going to give that a shot and see if it makes a difference.

Steve

YES. It is.
It’s something to do with core storage I think. Basically I understand at least on portables that SL can’t see Yose but Yose can see SL. 10.7 and above are fine tho.

If running 10.6, the 10.10 partition won’t show up in Disk Utility either methinks.
 

TwangKing

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YES. It is.
It’s something to do with core storage I think. Basically I understand at least on portables that SL can’t see Yose but Yose can see SL. 10.7 and above are fine tho.

If running 10.6, the 10.10 partition won’t show up in Disk Utility either methinks.

Interesting! So I'm not crazy.

Let me ask you this, I can't try it yet, as I'm still waiting on my SSD, but will trying to install using the option key method be an exercise in futility, it seems a lot of people have had trouble using this method.
 

H2SO4

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Interesting! So I'm not crazy.

Let me ask you this, I can't try it yet, as I'm still waiting on my SSD, but will trying to install using the option key method be an exercise in futility, it seems a lot of people have had trouble using this method.

It shouldn’t make any difference but what I would do is get a working Lion partition and set this as start up using System Prefs. I would then try the option boot method.
 

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If you have access to another Mac that is Yosemite "legit" get ahold of an SSD or any 2.5" drive and a $5 USB adapter. Run the install on the other Mac, then migrate anything you need from that Mac. Restart from other drive on the other Mac and place the boot.efi files, repair permissions and YOU ARE DONE.

Move the drive to unsupported Mac and enjoy! If you want or need it on 3.5" drive use Restore.

It really is a whole lot easier than hacking the installer. I have 2 unsupported Macs running via this method. Worked the first time and I moved on to other things. If it has become a major endeavor you are doing it wrong.
 

H2SO4

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If you have access to another Mac that is Yosemite "legit" get ahold of an SSD or any 2.5" drive and a $5 USB adapter. Run the install on the other Mac, then migrate anything you need from that Mac. Restart from other drive on the other Mac and place the boot.efi files, repair permissions and YOU ARE DONE.

Move the drive to unsupported Mac and enjoy! If you want or need it on 3.5" drive use Restore.

It really is a whole lot easier than hacking the installer. I have 2 unsupported Macs running via this method. Worked the first time and I moved on to other things. If it has become a major endeavor you are doing it wrong.

Same method I use. Installed Yose on a 20GB partition and make a disk image of this partition with DU. Stored that image somewhere and this is my 'bootable key'.
 

Hennesie2000

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If you have access to another Mac that is Yosemite "legit" get ahold of an SSD or any 2.5" drive and a $5 USB adapter. Run the install on the other Mac, then migrate anything you need from that Mac. Restart from other drive on the other Mac and place the boot.efi files, repair permissions and YOU ARE DONE.



Move the drive to unsupported Mac and enjoy! If you want or need it on 3.5" drive use Restore.



It really is a whole lot easier than hacking the installer. I have 2 unsupported Macs running via this method. Worked the first time and I moved on to other things. If it has become a major endeavor you are doing it wrong.


I'm not sure why some people are struggling with modifying and booting from the installer. I have done it many times with different USB drives and installing to external and internal drives (HDD/SSHD/SSD). I have yet to not be able to boot to the installer or boot the newly installed OS. Never had an issue with Mavericks either.

I have sent and image of my installer drive to two people and it worked first try for both of them. One of those people was a person from this forum who could not get it working. Another was a friend of mine with a Mac Pro. I did nothing different from what is in my guide and I have built the installer several times.
 

H2SO4

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I'm not sure why some people are struggling with modifying and booting from the installer. I have done it many times with different USB drives and installing to external and internal drives (HDD/SSHD/SSD). I have yet to not be able to boot to the installer or boot the newly installed OS. Never had an issue with Mavericks either.

I have sent and image of my installer drive to two people and it worked first try for both of them. One of those people was a person from this forum who could not get it working. Another was a friend of mine with a Mac Pro. I did nothing different from what is in my guide and I have built the installer several times.

I got the installer working too but once you’re sorted, I found it easier to make a bootable image of a system that boots to the Set Up Assistant. That way I just image this back to any parttion I like and either start afresh or import files/settings with MA.
 
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