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Zarniwoop said:
AMD said in their Capsaicin presentation that in near future, two or more GPU's will become more and more common and mainstream.. maybe Apple will share their idea? That's why I was thinking that they have to help and motivate developers in this matter. I didn't find any tools for this from MetalKit.
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Ehhhhhhhhhhhh.

Remember Apple's target markets are all low form factor. It's hard to see the iMac or the Macbook Pro getting multiple GPUs. Multiple GPUs are the basis of the nMP, but it's not a large enough target for anyone to bother optimizing for.

The only way AMD might pull it off is if they start putting multiple integrated GPUs on their CPU cores. But without that, multiple GPUs are probably still going to be limited to high end rigs. The only other out might be game consoles?

Biggest issue with multiple GPUs on the Mac is no technology exists on any platform to give you multiple GPUs without any effort as a developer, and there just aren't enough Mac Pro gamers out there to make it worth any sort of effort. DX12 and Crossfire/SLI both require some work to be done by the developer, but there are enough multi GPU gamers on Windows to make it worth it.
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So that's a reflection of what people on Stackoverflow are using to code, not coder in general.
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That's ok. Even if devs are using the Mac to write for Android, it still counts. The Mac Pro does have some popularity among developers, and more developers can help to increase sales. I just haven't seen any evidence Apple cares about specific use cases like VR strongly.
 
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Is this worth upgrading enough? :(

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Shame on Apple.
Shame on Tim Cook.

Seriously?
Is this the best Apple can do?

Mac Pro???
This is embarrassing.

With all of that money, Apple can't make an insanely great Mac Pro?

WTF?
 
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https://thunderbolttechnology.net/product/msi-vortex-g65-gaming-pc
MSI Vortex - a gaming rig with some inspiration from nMP? (Would the Dyson stream of air be another way to do this - laminar flow on the flat side of heat sink vs fan assisted air movement?) nice example that you can get decent specs in a small machine.

The best Apple can do is when they release the next new product. Unfortunate that release cycles across the Mac lines have synchronised.
 
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People don't buy Mac Pros or any Mac based on bang for the buck. The nMP is full of 2011/2012 tech OFC I can build a PC that will smoke it and likely be quieter for half the money
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I think you missed the point of the video. The point that Apple is selling us, you, me, old hardware at this moment, for a big pile of green. There is no single good reason to catch there back as a wingman with a argument that people dont buy a mac system based on bang for the buck. With these idiot statements, Apple can keep this alive and ask crazy prices. There is nothing wrong to step back a couple of inches and look to the whole pie. He have some very valid points, and its a shame for us Apple users. The high price, the lack of any information (will there be a new macpro in the near future) and such slow upgrades / lack of choice in hardware.. and the treatment we, 'the costumer' receives. A bit more criticism from there own users towards Apple, would be very, very healthy.

If a 2000$ machine runs out a 4000$ MacPro you still can buy at this moment for this amount of money... makes me mad and disappointed. I will switch over. I like the brand, but the differences is to high and in the end, time is money. If things are done quicker, better, faster.... and even much cheaper... the only reason to stay would be OSX. And anno 2016 with a strong OS like W10.. its not a big step anymore to hop over. It will be scary, but it will happen (for me)
 
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When nMP was released, it was cheaper than it's competition. Times have passed and things have changed. Anyway, some of the bad results of nMP comes from lack of support for dual GPU. The same problem I've been ranting here for a while. nMP is good tool for those using Apple software (FCPX) to edit 4k videos. Sure you'd expect that $4000 USD machine to be good in all tasks. This is where Apple has failed.. and if Apple continues with dual-GPU without any change in Metal (and good MetalKit libraries), no Polaris or anything will save MP from disgrace. Improvement in OS X has to happen or it is bye bye for MP.
 
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Roykor said:
I think you missed the point of the video. The point that Apple is selling us, you, me, old hardware at this moment, for a big pile of green. There is no single good reason to catch there back as a wingman with a argument that people dont buy a mac system based on bang for the buck. With these idiot statements, Apple can keep this alive and ask crazy prices. There is nothing wrong to step back a couple of inches and look to the whole pie. He have some very valid points, and its a shame for us Apple users. The high price, the lack of any information (will there be a new macpro in the near future) and such slow upgrades / lack of choice in hardware.. and the treatment we, 'the costumer' receives. A bit more criticism from there own users towards Apple, would be very, very healthy.

If a 2000$ machine runs out a 4000$ MacPro you still can buy at this moment for this amount of money... makes me mad and disappointed. I will switch over. I like the brand, but the differences is to high and in the end, time is money. If things are done quicker, better, faster.... and even much cheaper... the only reason to stay would be OSX. And anno 2016 with a strong OS like W10.. its not a big step anymore to hop over. It will be scary, but it will happen (for me)
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I'm not a Mac user so I generally don't criticize. The nMP is old and it sells for a pretty penny I'm not going to dispute that but I also don't think the comparison is really fair either. No matter what Apple or really any OEM introduces I'll be able to build faster and cheaper.
 
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I think you missed the point of the video. The point that Apple is selling us, you, me, old hardware at this moment, for a big pile of green. (snip)
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It may come to you as a surprise, but Apple generally does not reduce the price of a product once it hits the stores. There have been a few notable exceptions—I remember at least the G4 Cube which was reduced in price during its EOL—but the general rule is that the price stays the same.
Combined with the usual "IT equipment gets more capable from year to year", every Apple product with a long life cycle looks like a bad investment after the first 18 months. Hey, it such a common knowledge that someone even created a buyers guide.
 
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If there is no announcement on monday for Mac Pro, that means Apple is waiting for Polaris GPUs, and... is not willing to change the form factor, and even the tech specs for it(famous PSU of it). Otherwise they would already buff the PSU(Cooling should handle much more energy), and slap there Hawaii which is able to run at 180W with 850 MHz core clock, or Fiji.
 
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I think you missed the point of the video. The point that Apple is selling us, you, me, old hardware at this moment, for a big pile of green. There is no single good reason to catch there back as a wingman with a argument that people dont buy a mac system based on bang for the buck.
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One major point is support and supported third party applications designed to run on the Mac Pro.

It's already a fail as the custom built you provide your own support. Any PC you build will always be cheaper as you provide your own labor and provide your own support. Not always an option for those who use a workstation to make money.

It can be a crap shoot on third party software not liking some bit or pieces you install in your home built. Then you have to talk simultaneously between Application/WindowsOS/Hardware vendors all blaming the other guys if something does not work.
 
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Nah, you just trying to talk it all-right that Apple is selling you a old computer and charge max. Its fine that you would like to pay and smile. Because a Mac is magic, suprieur and the support is awesome. Rainbows everywhere! Look, don't get me wrong. I understand some basics behind a "workstation" and the choices behind it. Like support. But this is the flagship op Apple. The best of the best Apple can throw at you. Its there beast, the PRO machine. The only headless machine wit real horsepower. They put this all in a very very small round box because that looks awesome (it does). Clearly there users where asking for a very small case with limited configuration options. So Apple delivered.

When they released it, the hardware inside was basically 2012. Its 2016. They charge you 2012 hardware for 2016 prices + apple brand. And a 2 grand PC kicks the sh*t out of this machine. I do understand that people would like to defend their product. I do that sometimes too. But please, please Apple. Launch a real Pro machine so that it can match up a 2016 computer horsepower. Why is Apple pushing their old users away to the PC world?? (HP and Dell have awesome workstations you know.. with a lot of hardware options.)
 
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Nah, you just trying to talk it all-right that Apple is selling you a old computer and charge max. Its fine that you would like to pay and smile. Because a Mac is magic, suprieur and the support is awesome. Rainbows everywhere! Look, don't get me wrong. I understand some basics behind a "workstation" and the choices behind it. Like support. But this is the flagship op Apple. The best of the best Apple can throw at you. Its there beast, the PRO machine. The only headless machine wit real horsepower. They put this all in a very very small round box because that looks awesome (it does). Clearly there users where asking for a very small case with limited configuration options. So Apple delivered.

When they released it, the hardware inside was basically 2012. Its 2016. They charge you 2012 hardware for 2016 prices + apple brand. And a 2 grand PC kicks the sh*t out of this machine. I do understand that people would like to defend their product. I do that sometimes too. But please, please Apple. Launch a real Pro machine so that it can match up a 2016 computer horsepower. Why is Apple pushing their old users away to the PC world?? (HP and Dell have awesome workstations you know.. with a lot of hardware options.)
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Interestingly...why not?
 
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When they released it, the hardware inside was basically 2012. Its 2016. They charge you 2012 hardware for 2016 prices + apple brand. And a 2 grand PC kicks the sh*t out of this machine. I do understand that people would like to defend their product. I do that sometimes too.
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Its not defending a brand as the point about BYO PC's and OEM Computers are not brand specific as far as support goes. It applies just as much to PC's than only Macs. You also can see that when he has problems during the build which he also had to return a faulty power supply.

Then you finally mentioned HP & Dell workstations which are a more appropriate comparison.

I did smile and when I paid for my new 2013 Mac Pro knowing its 50% faster than my 2009 Mac Pro. My software of choice is FCP X, something not natively supported on the PC platform. I don't like using Adobe Cloud as I would eventually spend enough money in monthly payments to pay for a new Mac Pro although I have not noticed any rainbows shooting out however.
 
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Apple is pushing on the "Pro" brand. With the iPad, maybe soon with the iPhone and for a long time with the MBP. I don't think Apple will abandon the project after the investment in the new production chain and the R&D spent on the trashcan.
The Pro desktop market is changing, but Mac users still need a powerful flagship model to complete the range.
 
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Roykor said:
Nah, you just trying to talk it all-right that Apple is selling you a old computer and charge max. Its fine that you would like to pay and smile. Because a Mac is magic, suprieur and the support is awesome. Rainbows everywhere! Look, don't get me wrong. I understand some basics behind a "workstation" and the choices behind it. Like support. But this is the flagship op Apple. The best of the best Apple can throw at you. Its there beast, the PRO machine. The only headless machine wit real horsepower. They put this all in a very very small round box because that looks awesome (it does). Clearly there users where asking for a very small case with limited configuration options. So Apple delivered.

When they released it, the hardware inside was basically 2012. Its 2016. They charge you 2012 hardware for 2016 prices + apple brand. And a 2 grand PC kicks the sh*t out of this machine. I do understand that people would like to defend their product. I do that sometimes too. But please, please Apple. Launch a real Pro machine so that it can match up a 2016 computer horsepower. Why is Apple pushing their old users away to the PC world?? (HP and Dell have awesome workstations you know.. with a lot of hardware options.)
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I think this is a pro machine to money milking for Apple.
 
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Imac is on its last leg. Worked on a song this past week and crashed every day once or twice.

Doet applez. Drop the cake tomorrow
 
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