2016 nMP

[koyoot]

Is that 3 month set in stone by the old all mighty? Is that a law that they have to obey?
See, unless you're in charge of NVidia or AMD production, all you have to go on are some picture that can be interpreted any which way you want and some speculation about what they mean and how both company really manage their production line and testing...

Its normal practice that qualification process is validation of it. It is not due to Nvidia, but manufacturer of the chip - TSMC, Intel, GloFo, no matter.

https://books.google.pl/books?id=Vo...epage&q=qualification of silicon chip&f=false
Here, you have explanation why it usually takes 3 moths for Qualification silicon to end on market.

 

[sigmadog]

I'm a graphic designer using Mac since my first quadra 800 many years ago.

I started my design business with a IIfx in 1992. I thought that was an amazing machine, and it was (at the time).

 

[Hank Carter]

I started my design business with a IIfx in 1992. I thought that was an amazing machine, and it was (at the time).

The FX was a seriously expensive machine in its day... We had one back at my university with one of the giant Radius 'Megadeath' CRT monitors.

 

[tuxon86]

Its normal practice that qualification process is validation of it. It is not due to Nvidia, but manufacturer of the chip - TSMC, Intel, GloFo, no matter.

https://books.google.pl/books?id=Vo0PFNielQkC&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=qualification+of+silicon+chip&source=bl&ots=BOrRSBaqWf&sig=okxK-pwmAhbF034UNSHq9OhaY-w&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkpt6izqzMAhWlNJoKHTFTAXsQ6AEIGzAA#v=onepage&q=qualification of silicon chip&f=false
Here, you have explanation why it usually takes 3 moths for Qualification silicon to end on market.

Except you are no insider and you don't really know... It's all speculation and ego at this point.

 

[koyoot]

Except you are no insider and you don't really know... It's all speculation and ego at this point.

That is only your negating the facts. There is no reason to do so. Qualification Silicon is dated 3 weeks ago. It usually takes 3 months for it to come to market. Usually, if nothing wrong goes. It can be even more. The same process of validation of silicon was for every GPU silicon in last few years on TSMC, for AMD and Nvidia. And it took in every case around 3 months.

Yes, of course this is ego. Not completely logical and factual analysis... Sometimes you and Aiden are absolutely unbelievable with assumptions.

 

[sigmadog]

The FX was a seriously expensive machine in its day... We had one back at my university with one of the giant Radius 'Megadeath' CRT monitors.

I borrowed $10,000 from my folks that covered the IIfx, a 13" CRT monitor, and Apple Laserprinter, and software (Pagemaker and Freehand). I paid them back within a year, but that was a spendy package back then. Now I usually can get what I need, hardware-wise, for about a third of that.

 

[ManuelGomes]

Beta 3 of iOS out for developers, OS X Beta 3 should be out soon too I guess.
[doublepost=1461695194][/doublepost]http://anandtech.com/show/10273/int...-cables-to-connect-headsets-to-mobile-devices

 

[Derived]

77 pages and rising. Still no single bit of information from Apple if there will be an update at the nMP. But we still love Apple, right? No-matter-what!

Well, good thing you made this excellent contribution.

 

[Serban]

guys how it compares NVIDIA Quadro M2000M 4 GB with any current dGPU like M295x or 980M etc ?

 

[koyoot]

You are comparing 640 CUDA core GPU with around 1.3 TFLOPs of compute power to GPUs that have over 2-3 times more power.

GTX 980M has 1536 CUDA cores and 3.1 TFLOPs of compute power. M295X has 2048 GCN cores and 3.5 TFLOPs of compute power.
Also Quadro M2000M has around 50W TDP, and both GTX 980M and R9 M295X have around 120W of TDP.

 

[Serban]

oh ok thank you i was wondering how powerful is the gpu from that all one one hp
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So my prediction for iMac update is about to happen.

All 21.5" retina iMacs (except low end) and low-end 27" 5k iMac will get one of these chips.

There's a change, that the best 21.5" iMac model will be supplied with Polaris 11. At least thermals would allow it.

Based on todays information, here's my bet for mid-2016 fleet base models:

• Macbook 12" Skylake Core-m, DDR3
• Macbook 14" Skylake Core-i5-6200U, DDR4, retina 2880x1800 (MBA replacement)
• Macbook Pro 14" Skylake Core-i5-6360U, DDR4, retina 2880x1800, TB3
• Macbook Pro 16" Skylake Core-i5-6350HQ (Iris Pro 580), DDR4, retina 4k, TB3
• Macbook Pro 16" Skylake Xeon-1505Mv5, Polaris 11 based Firepro, DDR4E, retina 4k, TB3

• iMac 21" Skylake i5-6685R with Iris Pro 580, DDR4
• iMac 27" Skylake i5-6685R with Iris Pro 580, DDR4
• iMac 27" Skylake Core i5-6600, Polaris 10, DDR4

• Mac Pro, Broadwell Xeon, Polaris 11 & 10 based Firepro's, DDR4E

No love for Mac Mini... (I'd take i3-6300 & Polaris 10 combination any day, thank you.)

iMac's will get silent update before summer. Except the one with Polaris. New laptops and nMP v2 + new displays are introduced at WWDC.

so they can update the mac mini with the cpu from desktop 21.5" imac skylake with ddr4 usb-c tb3 ports ?

 

[Zarniwoop]

so they can update the mac mini with the cpu from desktop 21.5" imac skylake with ddr4 usb-c tb3 ports ?

Sure they could. But last time when Apple updated Mini showed they're not interested to make Mini fast.. lets see how the next round goes. Anyway, current Mini fleet was least exciting Apple product from the beginning... I hope it'll change.

 

[InfernoUk]

hi guys,

im in the market for a new mac, and since i need some power im looking at the nMP.

Issue being since it hasnt been updated in forever im assuming perhaps 2016 is the year.

Wondered if you guys could fill me in on if its assumed that an update would come on WWDC in just over a month? If not ill be going for a 5K iMac as that seems better performance currently!

Cheers

 

[Mago]

hi guys,

im in the market for a new mac, and since i need some power im looking at the nMP.

Issue being since it hasnt been updated in forever im assuming perhaps 2016 is the year.

Wondered if you guys could fill me in on if its assumed that an update would come on WWDC in just over a month? If not ill be going for a 5K iMac as that seems better performance currently!

Cheers

Also its likely an surprise update on the 5K iMac, my advice is you hold until WWDC.

 

[InfernoUk]

Also its likely an surprise update on the 5K iMac, my advice is you hold until WWDC.

god whenever i go to buy something from apple its 2 months from an update!

 

[Mago]

oh ok thank you i was wondering how powerful is the gpu from that all one one hp
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so they can update the mac mini with the cpu from desktop 21.5" imac skylake with ddr4 usb-c tb3 ports ?

Mac mini is not about mini speed but mini price,when the previous mini was designed the only way to keep it cheap was to scale down since Intel offer forced to adopt different CPU socket for the cheapest i5 mobile and the quad core mobile used in the MacBook pro as used in the mini, now it's the opposite with SkyLake the cheapest i5 also is a quad core on the same CPU socket as the high performance mobile, so now if Apple wants an slower mini by design it will cost 40$ more than a faster quad core mini

 

[Mago]

god whenever i go to buy something from apple its 2 months from an update!

All we are on the same train, I need a new MacBook pro and a new Mac Pro

 

[InfernoUk]

All we are on the same train, I need a new MacBook pro and a new Mac Pro

so is it a case of new cpu and gpu and same price point? and then a months long wait time for production ha

 

[koyoot]

All we are on the same train, I need a new MacBook pro and a new Mac Pro

I want new desktop, with much more power than my current Linux workstation with Xeon E3 and GTX 980 .

3 years ago I needed for my workflow a powerful laptop. Currently for my workflow perfect setup is iPad Mini + Mac Pro. Mark of the times, really.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Mac mini is not about mini speed but mini price,when the previous mini was designed the only way to keep it cheap was to scale down since Intel offer forced to adopt different CPU socket for the cheapest i5 mobile and the quad core mobile used in the MacBook pro as used in the mini, now it's the opposite with SkyLake the cheapest i5 also is a quad core on the same CPU socket as the high performance mobile, so now if Apple wants an slower mini by design it will cost 40$ more than a faster quad core mini

If it was a about the price, Apple could have put desktop core-i3 dual core to the machine and it would have been faster than those mobile parts they use atm.. but core i5 has more marketing value than i3 and that's what runs Apple.. the marketing dept.

Just look at the non-retina iMac 21.5". The cheapest model runs with mobile i5, 1.6GHz. The list price for that chip is over USD $300. With same price you'd get any beasty CPU Intel has to offer for home use. Four cores with +3 GHz. But Apple doesn't care. They have a better option, you pay extra for CTO i5-5575R, and its list price is USD $240. So, Apple is charging you more for cheaper CPU. Actually they deliberately crippled the low end model so you'd pay them more by buying the next model. Marketing dept has set the standard for cheap desktop. And its low GHz with less cores. No matter that the CPU is actually more expensive. But why to worry, only few will buy it. It's just a marketing tool to make you buy the next model.

PS. Mastered in marketing and IT.

 

[Mago]

If it was a about the price, Apple could have put desktop core-i3 dual core to the machine and it would have been faster than those mobile parts they use atm.. but core i5 has more marketing value than i3 and that's what runs Apple.. the marketing dept.

Just look at the non-retina iMac 21.5". The cheapest model runs with mobile i5, 1.6GHz. The list price for that chip is over USD $300. With same price you'd get any beasty CPU Intel has to offer for home use. Four cores with +3 GHz. But Apple doesn't care. They have a better option, you pay extra for CTO i5-5575R, and its list price is USD $240. So, Apple is charging you more for cheaper CPU.[...]

PS. Mastered in marketing and IT.

Desktop = lga1151, a Mac mini upgradable? First falls snow on the hell

Furthermore, the Mac mini pizza box unibody has a max TDP allowance of 55W, also desktop parts are taller don't fit the mini's restricted space.

 

[flat five]

What do we have? We have news and rumors about the Apple Car, the iPhone 6s touch id and 4k video (when will there be a iPhone "pro" ?), new macbook 12" with more fancy colors, Apple Watch 2 rumors, iphone 7 rumors, Apple car stuff (tech for inside a car), more iOS beta news, Intel maybe for their iPhones...

I just summed up the last two weeks of news on this frontend website.

nah.. in the past two weeks, there has been front page news about the more powerful macs and even a mention or two on nmp.
just sayin

 

[wallysb01]

If it was a about the price, Apple could have put desktop core-i3 dual core to the machine and it would have been faster than those mobile parts they use atm.. but core i5 has more marketing value than i3 and that's what runs Apple.. the marketing dept.

Just look at the non-retina iMac 21.5". The cheapest model runs with mobile i5, 1.6GHz. The list price for that chip is over USD $300. With same price you'd get any beasty CPU Intel has to offer for home use. Four cores with +3 GHz. But Apple doesn't care. They have a better option, you pay extra for CTO i5-5575R, and its list price is USD $240. So, Apple is charging you more for cheaper CPU. Actually they deliberately crippled the low end model so you'd pay them more by buying the next model. Marketing dept has set the standard for cheap desktop. And its low GHz with less cores. No matter that the CPU is actually more expensive. But why to worry, only few will buy it. It's just a marketing tool to make you buy the next model.

PS. Mastered in marketing and IT.

Not that I disagree with anything you said, but its entirely possible Apple is getting those i5-5250U for much less than $300, but getting the 5575Rs for closer to list. And remember that CPU won't be operating at 1.6GHz when being utilized. If the machine is well cooled for that processor (which I assume it is sense it can handle the 5575R), it will be in the turbo of 2.5 or 2.7. Plus the Broadwell desktop line was so gimped that it put Apple in a tough spot to pick a CPU below the 5575R. There are no desktop i3s from broadwell. Put it all together, and I sense a lot of negotiating between Apple and Intel to find the right CPU to fit all the criteria. I don't think its coincidence that the 5250U is the cheapest processor to come with HD6000, for example. Not saying any of this is a good thing and it doesn't disprove your point of intentionally crippling the machine (like why couldn't you at least step up to a 28W CPU? though I suspect that answer is because Intel wouldn't give them a steep discount), but there are probably some legitimate reasons that also helped lead to this decision from Apple.

Relatedly, the HDD situation is even worse than the CPU situation and unlike the CPU situation, Apple has no excuses. The 1TB 5200 RMP HDD is a bigger crippling than the CPU and the $200 upgrade for the 256GB SDD is absurd. Combine those two things (the 18W CPU and 1TB HDD) and its really a pitiful offering at $1100.

 

[sigmadog]

god whenever i go to buy something from apple its 2 months from an update!

Apple is a chronographic oddity: 2 months from everywhere!

 

[ManuelGomes]

Since Apple's revenue declined, maybe they feel compelled to innovate in the Mac department instead of only iPhones and stuff. Unlikely though.
I guess they weren't used to this anymore.