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8 core Broadwell-E 3.2 GHZ 6900K on Ebay was sold for 875$.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131793851786?afsrc=1&rmvSB=true
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131793851786?afsrc=1&rmvSB=true
Perhaps old enough to have purchased a Yikes ?...and you like to repeat yourself the word Yikes ? how old are you really ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-i7-6850K-LGA2011-3-6C-12T-3-6GHz-15MB-L3-140W-for-X99-chipset/131793522751?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid=555012&algo=PW.MBE&ao=2&asc=36499&meid=f16a4bda0da449dbb4be189d5b8181db&pid=100010&rk=5&rkt=20&sd=111980028756&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true Interesting. 6 core, 3.6 GHz 575$.
A bit lower than MSRP. It is important because those CPUs indicate what the prices of Xeon E5v4 16XX will be. Haswell-E 3.5 GHz 6 core CPU was 594$. Xeon E5 1650v3 was 586$.
A bit lower than MSRP. It is important because those CPUs indicate what the prices of Xeon E5v4 16XX will be. Haswell-E 3.5 GHz 6 core CPU was 594$. Xeon E5 1650v3 was 586$.
Yeah but for every 5 people like that there is 1 who happily switched to an iMac or kept their cMP because it was good enough. That's the definition of a declining market.
I don't think anyone is saying the future Mac Pro market is 0. It's just smaller than it is today. And those left in that market are of course still crazy about the next thing that's better and faster.
In 2008 when there was still a recession going on people still bought Macs, iPads & iPhones. In fact, a higher growth of Mac computers in general. So declining wages today don't account for this. PC desktops are still affordable in some price brackets. Its just computing can be done on so many more cheaper devices than ever before...Gaming consoles, AppleTV's, Roku, FireTV's, Smart TV's ect. for things we used desktop computers for like....Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Youtube and so on.
I believe things are way more simple than that. PC market in general is declining, yes, while on the other hand high-end GPU sales are not (since there is no real substitute for that). So, how things will turn nobody knows. Maybe we are in a milestone point, or maybe not.
Regardless, my point is that Apple had 5 billion revenue from Mac sales. This is huge, even if it is lower than the previous report. What people call a "failing part" of the company, would be a huge success for most others. No company in the world - in their right mind - would drop a product line worthing 5 billions. Nor they would ever call this as "going out of business".
Now, if this decline keeps getting bigger and bigger in the future, though...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/amd-polaris-will-be-a-mainstream-gpu/
[doublepost=1461835107][/doublepost]https://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/the-secret-history-of-mac-gaming/
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[doublepost=1461835107][/doublepost]https://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/27/the-secret-history-of-mac-gaming/
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When Polaris comes out, todays high-end becomes mainstream (or obsolete). It will be a huge leap.
Yes, it seems they're having a slightly different speech now, but this was actually something we knew already. The high-end is and always was Vega, although it's also marketed as a different architecture.
Still, I wouldn't exactly put it on par with iGPUs from Intel, although these are pretty powerful nowadays.
[doublepost=1461838263][/doublepost]If their mainstream is VR capable (not that I care) and is around 980 performance, that's good enough. If power efficient as they claim, awesome I'd say.
Put it inside a nMP and even better
Still, I wouldn't exactly put it on par with iGPUs from Intel, although these are pretty powerful nowadays.
[doublepost=1461838263][/doublepost]If their mainstream is VR capable (not that I care) and is around 980 performance, that's good enough. If power efficient as they claim, awesome I'd say.
Put it inside a nMP and even better
It means that we have again GF 8800GT and HD 4870 times again. GTX 980 TI, or higher performance for 299$.
What they want is to increase the amount of VR capable computers across the market.
P.S. One small little thing. VR is part of next gen. HSA foundation. Very strong part of UI .
What they want is to increase the amount of VR capable computers across the market.
P.S. One small little thing. VR is part of next gen. HSA foundation.
Very strong part of UI .
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macOS brings VR on desktop? Perhaps old Pro/non-Pro Macs are next VR/non-VR capable..?
Mac Pro is going to be more and more media creation and developer workstation. For other use maybe not the best choice.
Mac Pro is going to be more and more media creation and developer workstation. For other use maybe not the best choice.
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I do not know. I do believe that for very long time still normal, 2D bitmap screen will be the UI of desktops. How long? Depends on technology.
But yes, Mac Pro will be VR content creation workstation. No matter how most of Pro's here look at it, currently. Apple has its own plans, different than any other platform. There is a lot in software that has been done right through last year, hardware did not caught up, so far. Maybe this year it will.
On a side note: https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/brian-krzanich-our-strategy-and-the-future-of-intel/
He said what I was saying to you all for last few months: markets are shifting, and definition of computer is shifting. Clouds are the future, regardless if they are just clouds of consumer electronics or render clouds. Cloud is just a name for connected web of devices. It can be home cloud, it can be city cloud, it depends. If you narrow your imagination to one-two things you can not see any other options.
Most important thing, however, is adding AI to the internet.
But yes, Mac Pro will be VR content creation workstation. No matter how most of Pro's here look at it, currently. Apple has its own plans, different than any other platform. There is a lot in software that has been done right through last year, hardware did not caught up, so far. Maybe this year it will.
On a side note: https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/brian-krzanich-our-strategy-and-the-future-of-intel/
He said what I was saying to you all for last few months: markets are shifting, and definition of computer is shifting. Clouds are the future, regardless if they are just clouds of consumer electronics or render clouds. Cloud is just a name for connected web of devices. It can be home cloud, it can be city cloud, it depends. If you narrow your imagination to one-two things you can not see any other options.
Most important thing, however, is adding AI to the internet.
I doubt Apple would offer the Mac Pro as an solution for HPC or science, even CAD, its Cleary aimed at media creation, advertising and MacOS/iOS development , don't expect ever an Mac Pro with two CPU socket or multiple Pascal gp100 mezzanine gpgpu turning arroubd the black cylinder,content creators don't need, programmers don't need , publishers don't need that.
The most powerful we could expect the Mac pro could be an system based on 160W Xeon and two gp104 150w GPU with 1:2 fp64 that the maximum configuration I realistically could expect in a Mac Pro maybe a 150W TDP jump that the most insane extreme the Mac Pro could offer with this Apple,which insist on other business instead the Macintosh.
The most powerful we could expect the Mac pro could be an system based on 160W Xeon and two gp104 150w GPU with 1:2 fp64 that the maximum configuration I realistically could expect in a Mac Pro maybe a 150W TDP jump that the most insane extreme the Mac Pro could offer with this Apple,which insist on other business instead the Macintosh.
In business people measure return on investment. Not return in an absolute sense. A product line that returns $5bn but costs $10? $10M? $100bn? are all very different propositions. So your premise is absolutely wrong that no company in their right mind would drop a product worth $5bn in revenues.
The luxury Apple has is that they don't have separate profit and loss for every product line. So as long as they're making money overall they can justify almost any capital costs that a product demands (especially where there is synergy with their other products). That's the very thing that makes apple unique.
And the reason why I call the Mac a hobby business is because I would bet good money that if someone had the data and broke down exactly how much the Mac cost as a standalone business, it would not be that great a business especially in the face of a shrinking market and hence revenues. But the fact that nobody does this is exactly what makes Apple great, that they are able to spend insane amounts of time testing the sound the Magic Mouse makes as it glides over a table. But make no mistake, the "iToys" fund this type of attention to detail.
Apple products are primarily sold to people in higher income brackets. They took less of a hit in 2008 and actually came out ahead of the game in recent years.
Less disposable income is ONE reason among several as to why people are buying fewer expensive desktop machines or are opting for a cheaper box than they would like. Once you get out in the real world it is not uncommon to hear people say that they would like a Mac, but can only afford a PC.
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There are many content creators that need a very high powered dual CPU workstation with multiple GPU.
I am one of them and like many of my colleagues I may not have any other choice but to move to a PC in July, unless Apple pulls their head out of their rear end and delivers the goods. None of us are looking forward to switching to Win10, but we are left with no choice, if we want to stay competitive in our business.
Maybe but the Mac Pro as current is very limited most sci research its done either on mathematica python and R, w/o good fp64 performance most researches move to Linux where they have exactly the same tools but w/o nice OS/X tools as iPhone continuity iTunes both crucial when you search for the next cancer drug, or when you analyze markets trends...
I love the Mac Pro but as current its behind the big league for sci/research .
I'm at a large biomedical research university and I still see several old cMPs, but in all the labs I've come across, I've seen just ONE nMP. Those old cMPs are getting replaced by linux workstations or clusters.
While we mostly speculate, our sure bets on the u-nMP BOM are: CPU Intel Xeon E5v4 4 up to 22 cores, ram DDR4 registered ECC up to 256gb (apple more likely to offer upto 128gb, 256gb from owc), thunderbolt 3 up to 10 ports (4xtb3+2tb2 more likely) , NVMe ssd 2.5+GBps 1tb max, display port 1.2 and HDMI 2.0
On gpu, we have mixed cues that actually means we are lost, if AMD it could be Polaris elsmere xt and pro, if nVidia could be Pascal gp104, up to 7tflop fp32 and at least 1tflop fp64 total combined.
Possible surprises: display port 1.3, base i7 hedt non ECC variants.
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