They are probably doing new wrists now and new iphone colours. This should fix their issues
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I would argue that for a current (and even potential) market as small as the Mac (compared to smartphones), Apple is already disproportionately putting development resources into the Mac.
For all us Mac lovers, we should be happy Apple makes stupid money on the iPhone - otherwise, they would have even less time and money for their hobby Mac business.
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Just for the history, if the Macs have died years ago the iPhone would never exist...
Besides that, the Mac platform should remain strong and in contact with current technology if they want to have apps developed for the iOS devices.
So the iOS devices are in direct relationship with the Macs, a crucial part of Apple, not a hobby...
Besides that, the Mac platform should remain strong and in contact with current technology if they want to have apps developed for the iOS devices.
So the iOS devices are in direct relationship with the Macs, a crucial part of Apple, not a hobby...
Since the Mac outperformed the ipad in revenue, apple is aware that the mac is still second choice of importance for the users. The ipad is just a nice gadget but not an important must have like a smartphone or a mac that you use for entertainment and for work
I'll have to disagree with this last sentence. Apple's profits from Mac product lines are not low per se. Most computer companies would be more than happy having those numbers on a such stable pattern year over year. The fact that iPhones occupy so much space on the revenues pie is expected, but in no way means that Macs are kept alive because of it.
In other words, if you deduct the iPhone part from Apple, you'll be left with a very (possibly the most) successful computer company.
Under this scope, I believe the iPhone is keep hurting Mac's evolution for some years now.
This reasoning implies Apple would never buy beats, or Apple should cease the watch production (it biggest loser, far beyond the iPad ).
What happens,is the iPhone its not only the smartphone, is it ecosystem, to be an iPhone you need an Mac to build its apps, an iTunes store to purchase apps and other stuff not always profitable, also some times you need to subsidize some stuff in order to keep iPhone sales up.
Apple didn't invest on the Mac line with the same interest as they did on iPhone,now it's time to pay the price.
My post was in response to a post about innovation. Innovation is a future looking endeavour. If we look into the future, a device like the Mac is an extremely niche product. Not at all a product that suits a company like Apple which is about making products that have mass consumer adoption.
If today's Apple was under pressure, I would argue it would abandon the Mac for that reason. Similar to how IBM abandoned the Thinkpad by spinning it off when it was still an attractive business (just like the current Mac business).
So when Mac lovers look at the other "iToys" with hatred and think: if you didn't exist, Apple would focus more on my beloved Mac. I would argue if it wasn't for those iToys, Apple would be this tiny company slowly going out of business.
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My point was not about size of revenues. I specifically talked about current and potential market size. The potential market size of Beats (streaming music plus as a service to support iPhone) and Apple Watch (both as a device and as an accessory) have great potential (albeit currently small). The Mac on the other hand has a future where the market is only shrinking (won't disappear, but it is shrinking). If I was a manager and my goal was to increase profit, I would put resources in places still with market potential.
And what price is that exactly they are paying? What makes you think the market wants innovation on the desktop OS? Microsoft tried to do it with Windows 8 and got completely smashed.
I don't see any evidence in the market of demand for innovation on the the desktop OS beyond something that is just OS X but faster and more reliable. And Apple's current focus is pretty much just that. And personally, that's all I want as well. I do my work on the Mac, I do not want Apple doing parallax or whatever the eff on it.
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This is true. Yet interestingly, Apple has recently put so much effort into trying to make the iPad better. I always wonder what metric or evidence they are seeing that makes them believe the iPad is worth that effort. I think iOS 10 on iPad will be our first hint.
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Tim Cook's Apple has become a different Apple.
His vision for the company is to further develop it into a luxury brand, pursue enterprise, and retain the wide margins he has established. He is very much a corporate guy, which is good as Apple has become a very big corporation and needs that sort of a CEO, but it is bad because he is not a tech guy, nor a visionary.
I don't care much for luxury or fashion, but if that's what Apple wants to be, fine.
I don't care much if the latest CPU generation isn't immediately available in Macs, as development has slowed to a trickle and performance gains aren't all that significant.
I don't care much if Apple decides to focus on iDevices, for the same reason. PC's are a mature product/technology, and don't need the same attention and development.
But I hate that Apple sticks 5400rpm HDD's in base iMacs and Minis, they should have SSD's standard (or at the very least 7200rpm HDD's).
I hate how they cripple base model iPhones with 16GB, that should be 32GB in this day and age.
I hate how they have increased the price for keyboards and pointing devices. $99 for a keyboard?!? And $129 for a trackpad?!?
That is just wrong. I get the whole luxury thing, but I think they are on the wrong track with that. Apple has never been cheap, but it was never bad value. The cost of their products could always be explained. That is not the case now. They are simply pricing stuff higher because they can.
That is going to come back and hurt them. It always does. When sales decline, reducing prices will make them look cheap, which will hurt the luxury image. Then they will have pissed off longtime customers, and lose the interest of the luxury/fashion conscious.
Apple has always been a Quality brand. Not a Luxury brand. There's a difference, and I think pursuing the latter is not the right direction for them.
His vision for the company is to further develop it into a luxury brand, pursue enterprise, and retain the wide margins he has established. He is very much a corporate guy, which is good as Apple has become a very big corporation and needs that sort of a CEO, but it is bad because he is not a tech guy, nor a visionary.
I don't care much for luxury or fashion, but if that's what Apple wants to be, fine.
I don't care much if the latest CPU generation isn't immediately available in Macs, as development has slowed to a trickle and performance gains aren't all that significant.
I don't care much if Apple decides to focus on iDevices, for the same reason. PC's are a mature product/technology, and don't need the same attention and development.
But I hate that Apple sticks 5400rpm HDD's in base iMacs and Minis, they should have SSD's standard (or at the very least 7200rpm HDD's).
I hate how they cripple base model iPhones with 16GB, that should be 32GB in this day and age.
I hate how they have increased the price for keyboards and pointing devices. $99 for a keyboard?!? And $129 for a trackpad?!?
That is just wrong. I get the whole luxury thing, but I think they are on the wrong track with that. Apple has never been cheap, but it was never bad value. The cost of their products could always be explained. That is not the case now. They are simply pricing stuff higher because they can.
That is going to come back and hurt them. It always does. When sales decline, reducing prices will make them look cheap, which will hurt the luxury image. Then they will have pissed off longtime customers, and lose the interest of the luxury/fashion conscious.
Apple has always been a Quality brand. Not a Luxury brand. There's a difference, and I think pursuing the latter is not the right direction for them.
i like apple is different and it is in fashion and luxury too. while others has only 1 product to be a fashion one, apple is working for all its product to be fashion and unisex, i mean for men and women as well. remember until apple watch no smartwatch was intended for women and thats misogynist and discriminations. Now they add even colours for the mac like rose gold and gold...it is a brand image. From this year we will see the iphone starting from base 32 gb sotrage, imacs no more mechanical hdd and so on..
[doublepost=1461773687][/doublepost]luxury by definition is quality but not other way around
[doublepost=1461773687][/doublepost]luxury by definition is quality but not other way around
No smartwatches for women until the iWatch? I'm no smartwatch expert, but it seemed to me that until the iPhone most smartwatches were fitness oriented and plenty of them came in sizes appropriate for women. Anyway, I'd really like to see some sort of evidence for this statement. Give me a run down of all the smartwatches of summer-2015.
I would also disagree that luxury is by definition quality. The two things often intersect, but not always. For example, the iWatch is a luxury, but is it really "quality"? I have a hard time seeing that. For what it does, its kind of OK in terms of actually utility, but other products are better at those same things and cheaper. Outside of tech, I only have to look at my wife's purses and shoes, many of which are marketed as luxury brands and cost into the multiple hundreds of dollars, and yet they fray, get holes or flat out brake in relatively short order. And the reason is simple, they are designed to be fashionable first. They might have high quality materials that are expensive, but when it comes to utility or endurance, they come up short. And without also having those characteristics, I can't classify something as quality.
A question for those that see an PC market declining?
Why we don't buy a a Mac pro today? And why we hope to buy a Mac pro before WWDC?
I'll answer by you: we don't buy current mac pro coz we want the next, and that was delayed in part by Intel in part by AMD and mostly due Apple's "vaccumm salesman " minding which don't see a computer market isn't a typical consumer products,its one you need to feed with continous upgrades to keep sales up.
The whole industry its on the same,with an big difference people don't buy PC because it's waiting the next Mac that never arrives and current ones are worse than they old PC.
Why we don't buy a a Mac pro today? And why we hope to buy a Mac pro before WWDC?
I'll answer by you: we don't buy current mac pro coz we want the next, and that was delayed in part by Intel in part by AMD and mostly due Apple's "vaccumm salesman " minding which don't see a computer market isn't a typical consumer products,its one you need to feed with continous upgrades to keep sales up.
The whole industry its on the same,with an big difference people don't buy PC because it's waiting the next Mac that never arrives and current ones are worse than they old PC.
I'm sure I have seen luxury goods of very poor quality...or little value...
You should read this book.
The world is moving to mobile, but I'll give one very good reason why PC sales are declining that is rarely mentioned.
Stagnant and declining wages in the general population. The average Joe and Jane no longer has the buying power nor the spare cash to go out and buy a $2000-3000 desktop anymore. So, they make due with cheaper alternatives.
iMacs actually had 7200rpm's HDD's as standard until 2012. They downgraded them to 5400rpm drives and kept the prices up.
iPhone had perfectly reasonable/acceptable storage layouts, sure it was an expensive phone, but you got your money's worth. Then they started deprecating the base models to "incentivize" users to buy the mid-tier model instead.
Ha, I fully expect this person to not actually do that... Just calling them out for making a silly and unsubstantiated comment.
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And not upgrading as frequently because of both this reason and the relative slow down in performance gains.
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When I mentioned the revenue decline, I wasn't at all criticizing their focus on iPhone or other devices. On the contrary, I believe that's a healthy income for Apple, and it's part of the overall ecosystem and a must. Don't get me wrong.
What I'd like to see a little more is dedication to the stuff that made Apple, the Macs. OK, most of the lineup is not that bad, but some changes are due. The notebook lineup needs some consolidation - MBA needs to go, rMB and rMBP look good. Maybe on the desktop we'll loose the i and see Mac and MacPro. The iMac really should loose the entry model, even if Apple has it for marketing reasons, such brand should not have at this point such machines. Looks out of place. Spinners and non-Retina displays should be gone already.
Apple used to stand out from the PC crowd some time back exactly cos of the SSDs and Retina displays on their machines. Those made them expensive but it was something you felt it was worth it. Now everyone has them and having "old" stuff in the lineup seems a step back.
Everybody knows that if you're buying into Apple you need to drop your ca$h so, even if it's just for having people wanting the next step, doesn't look to me as a great tactic. But hey, this is just my opinion, what do I know, right?
[doublepost=1461779300][/doublepost]They're still making 4M Macs a quarter though.
What I'd like to see a little more is dedication to the stuff that made Apple, the Macs. OK, most of the lineup is not that bad, but some changes are due. The notebook lineup needs some consolidation - MBA needs to go, rMB and rMBP look good. Maybe on the desktop we'll loose the i and see Mac and MacPro. The iMac really should loose the entry model, even if Apple has it for marketing reasons, such brand should not have at this point such machines. Looks out of place. Spinners and non-Retina displays should be gone already.
Apple used to stand out from the PC crowd some time back exactly cos of the SSDs and Retina displays on their machines. Those made them expensive but it was something you felt it was worth it. Now everyone has them and having "old" stuff in the lineup seems a step back.
Everybody knows that if you're buying into Apple you need to drop your ca$h so, even if it's just for having people wanting the next step, doesn't look to me as a great tactic. But hey, this is just my opinion, what do I know, right?
[doublepost=1461779300][/doublepost]They're still making 4M Macs a quarter though.
value is not a luxury thing...no need to put value in the same sentence with luxury
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apple watch many said it is very nice quality object, you put in that solid gold= luxury by definition
fit bands arent smartwatches ...so you can tell me that samsung gear s for ex was for women beautiful thing? common you just love to argue
[doublepost=1461780197][/doublepost]apple watch bring us the ability to easy swap bands, more bands to choose from , 2 sizes , 3 different material just for the case (i guess they need now a new shape for the case too ) and so on
Perfect woman luxury (quality ) object...
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Smartphone are commodity now, most Android brands don't sell enough to break even (BlackBerry HTC one plus ) that means the age where your device cost 200$ to build and it's sell on retail at triple or quad, its past ,the iPhone lasted a bit more at the expense to concede the low end market to Android (iPhone SE isn't a low end device) where the difference among a cheap 300$ phone and a 600$ flagship its trivial for customer actual needs, the iPad was first to succumb, the iPhone its next, sales strategies as upgrade plans where your iPhone actual final cost its 450$ vs 650 retail are delusional methods to hide a huge price cut.
Yikes, this isn't twitter, can you write in complete sentences or reread you posts just a little? This is boarderline uninterpretable.
And yeah, what's wrong with the Samsung Gear S? It is/was relatively small. It wasn't overtly girly or manly, but gosh, does it need to overly gendered for it to appeal to women? Talk about misogyny and sexism...
And no, I didn't equate gold to luxury, you just made that jump yourself.
As for the fit band vs smart watch thing, I was mostly referring to the sportiness of most of the bands, the would wear it to the gym but not to white table cloth dinner type design and apps that actually seemed to add value....? I understand the distinction between a smartwatch and fit band, thanks very much.
And after all that dribble, you tell me that I like to argue. Wowzier, dude. Anyway, I think this discussion has run its course. Maybe next time if you don't want to "argue", don't throw out absurd clams of sexism...?
So are you a woman?
I guess your standards are pretty low if you consider the gear s a woman thi g
[doublepost=1461782708][/doublepost]I bet you 10000$ and ask 100 women between a samsung gear s and that gold apple watch what they preffer to wear daily
[doublepost=1461782788][/doublepost]You have no orientation for fashion im sorry
[doublepost=1461782908][/doublepost]And something made of solid gold is 100% an luxury thing
I guess your standards are pretty low if you consider the gear s a woman thi g
[doublepost=1461782708][/doublepost]I bet you 10000$ and ask 100 women between a samsung gear s and that gold apple watch what they preffer to wear daily
[doublepost=1461782788][/doublepost]You have no orientation for fashion im sorry
[doublepost=1461782908][/doublepost]And something made of solid gold is 100% an luxury thing
im ok, just listen to an elder and learn from him
[doublepost=1461784076][/doublepost]and you like to repeat yourself the word Yikes ? how old are you really ?
im ok, just listen to an elder and learn from him
[doublepost=1461784076][/doublepost]and you like to repeat yourself the word Yikes ? how old are you really ?
Judging by your twitter grammar? At least a decade or two older than you.
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Yep, stinks in here. Time to leave and come back tomorrow. Maybe the smell will have left by then.
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