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My i9 5600 replacement unit from apple finally arrived. again, took a lot of persistence and 5 returns, but apple came through, the 5600 is absolutely silent with my monitors running at their native 2k, which previously just having them plugged in the MacBook would be hot to the touch. istat menus is not working for this new unit so I unfortunately am unsure how to check on my radeon high side draw, But I am sure it is like everyone else - lower than 20w!! very happy with this new unit. unfortunate that apple came out with a proper working dgpu and are charging a 875$ premium in Canada to have a unit that doesn't run hot with an external monitor, but happy to have apple eat that cost and make things right.

Can you try this version of iStat which supposed to have fixed the sensor issue on 5600M?

 
Good to know. Thank you for sharing your experience.
What's your power usage in watt? How much does the fan need to work in RPM?
I think for some users it might be okay to work on Windows when needing 2 or more monitors.
Since I'm lecturing quite a lot and thus sitting in front of the class connecting the notebook to a beamer, this may be a nice workaround.

So under Windows, I have seen 14 Watts. In MacOS, it's a constant 20W if I have to keep the MacBook's display open as well.

My fans stay around 2000RPM or under unless I'm really pushing the CPU. This happens typically with a PowerPoint presentation, or while playing back a video, or something like that.

But also just as a disclaimer, I'm a software developer by trade. Most of the time, I stress the CPU trying to compile or run/debug stuffs in the background, so I'm already used to the higher fan noise. My usage is mostly in clamshell connected to my ultrawide monitor (which puts the dGPU at 5W), but even that does not prevent the fans from maxing out when I'm working on my code.

I have/had a 2018 13" MacBook Pro as well, and honestly, the 16" is not running that much hotter or more noisy than the 13" MacBook I once had.

So this kind of is an "issue" for me, and not really at the same time. I am happy with the performance of the 16" MacBook (in clamshell) and the noise level is acceptable to me. But I know some of us are looking for a whisper-quiet computer.
 
So under Windows, I have seen 14 Watts. In MacOS, it's a constant 20W if I have to keep the MacBook's display open as well.

My fans stay around 2000RPM or under unless I'm really pushing the CPU. This happens typically with a PowerPoint presentation, or while playing back a video, or something like that.

But also just as a disclaimer, I'm a software developer by trade. Most of the time, I stress the CPU trying to compile or run/debug stuffs in the background, so I'm already used to the higher fan noise. My usage is mostly in clamshell connected to my ultrawide monitor (which puts the dGPU at 5W), but even that does not prevent the fans from maxing out when I'm working on my code.

I have/had a 2018 13" MacBook Pro as well, and honestly, the 16" is not running that much hotter or more noisy than the 13" MacBook I once had.

So this kind of is an "issue" for me, and not really at the same time. I am happy with the performance of the 16" MacBook (in clamshell) and the noise level is acceptable to me. But I know some of us are looking for a whisper-quiet computer.
If u set ur bootcamp resolution to 2048x1280, you will get 3W in windows
 
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So under Windows, I have seen 14 Watts. In MacOS, it's a constant 20W if I have to keep the MacBook's display open as well.

Thanks for your help Bill! This value is okay I guess. I assume you use the drivers from the bootcampdrivers site.

I'm also a software developer. I'm used to fan noise when compiling bigger projects. This is fine and what I expect from a 16" machine. Anyways, it's annoying when you just browse the web and the fans come in like crazy.
 
I can confirm that build 1135 of istat worked on my 5600M unit. The previous build, which is the one you download from his website, did not work.

Do you mind sharing the stats with external display attached while the lid is open?
 
Hey Guys,

so after weeks of talking to the executive support team at Apple, and even sending them the video I posted above and a summary of all the things we've discovered on this forum, I finally lost hope today. The engineers initially dismissed my complaint by saying that connecting an external monitor just causes the dGPU to turn on, thus making it hotter. I then sent them a foolproof breakdown of what happens in all the various scenarios regarding power draw etc. They replied saying I raised some interesting points, but that nevertheless, this is "expected behaviour".

I can only assume that the design team messed up with this. It's not a driver issue or anything else that can or will be fixed with an update. It's "intentional". Apple are never going to admit that they've designed a machine that is basically unfit for purpose, as that would involve an expensive recall and redesign. But I would imagine that this Radeon 5500 won't be in future macbook designs, thanks to the expensive beta testing we've performed for them!

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from Apple.

For those stuck with one like me, I currently have a working setup using 2 x 1080p monitors, 1 using a DVI to USB3 cable, and one using an HDMI to USB3 adaptor. Working in clamshell mode, with the laptop face down in a vertical stand. GPU draws 5w instead of 18, and temp stays around 60, meaning fans stay quiet. I'm also running Turboboost Switcher pro and have TB disabled all the time.

If you're thinking of buying one, my advice is don't. Unless you never use external monitors.
 
What is the most plausible workaround? Because the 5600M was supposed to be the solution but some people have stated that this did not work for them. It would be nice if we had a sticky because going through the 130 pages isn't convenient.

1. Running clamshell mode

Are multiple monitors at all resolutions supported?

2. 5600M

Some have stated this works, others have stated it does not. Does this depend on whether they're using it in extended mode?

3. eGPU

"Solves" all problems?
 
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Been using the laptop without ext monitor and power for the evening. It works so well in this setup that I'll give it one more chance as a desktop hub before selling it: Cooler Master Ergostand III. It's a 6-level stand that has a fan with a diameter of a soccer ball: 230 mm. It runs at 500-800 RPM (should be quiet) and moves more than 200 cubic meters of air per hour. I don't expect it to be a silver bullet for the fan noise, but it'd be great if the thermal throttling under long-term moderate load would subside. Will report any findings.

There's an Ergostand IV, but it has a smaller fan with higher RPM (noise potential), so went with the model 3. It should arrive in a couple of days.

Update. I ran the MacBook on top of CoolerMaster ErgoStand III today, and it's not doing much to help. A simple 1080p YouTube video will still run the RPMs to 4000, then above 5000 in the long term. The top/bottom case was cool, but fans were still going wild.

In addition, when the computer is monitors-off and completely idle, once the fans spin down to 2000s, the base rumble generated by the cooling pad is more annoying than the laptop itself. It's not loud, it's only 800 RPM, but the low-frequency rumble resonates from the wooden table. The overall experience doesn't meaningfully improve and in some ways gets worse.

I've also tested a 13" Rain Design aluminium stand, which I've owned for maybe 10 years. It does get warm and perhaps adds a bit of extra heat exchange. Don't know if that alone makes any difference - it might. More importantly, it raises the sides and the back off the table, which increases airflow.

I've got a Dragon Skin in the top/bottom of the MacBook Pro. It's there to avoid scratches, and now allows re-using the smaller stand, which otherwise would be touching metal against metal. This way the left/right/back edges are actually floating outside the stand, which leaves plenty of room for air to move; yet the bottom plate is against metal, in theory conducting off the heat. This results in a pretty stable 3100 RPM for regular web browsing, which is OK for me. And Rain Design is nice to look at. I would hope it at least keeps the CPU limp mode away under long-term heavy loads.

I'll return the cooling pad and keep using the aluminium stand for now. It's not a good time to make expensive exchanges to an iMac, since the MacBook Pro is plenty powerful for work. Just hot & noisy, just like the title of this endless thread says.

For reference, I've got an LG 5k attached to the right side port of the Mac and 2x QHD monitors attached through a CalDigit Mini Dock to the left side port of the Mac. They have to be on opposite sides to work; 5k TB3 swallows the whole one side alone, graphics-wise. The LG provides 95 Watts of power for the system from the right. I've read that right-side ports are better for heat management. CalDigit Mini is not a power source, it's just to provide 2x HDMI ports and Ethernet to NAS.
 
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Hey Guys,

so after weeks of talking to the executive support team at Apple, and even sending them the video I posted above and a summary of all the things we've discovered on this forum, I finally lost hope today. The engineers initially dismissed my complaint by saying that connecting an external monitor just causes the dGPU to turn on, thus making it hotter. I then sent them a foolproof breakdown of what happens in all the various scenarios regarding power draw etc. They replied saying I raised some interesting points, but that nevertheless, this is "expected behaviour".

I can only assume that the design team messed up with this. It's not a driver issue or anything else that can or will be fixed with an update. It's "intentional". Apple are never going to admit that they've designed a machine that is basically unfit for purpose, as that would involve an expensive recall and redesign. But I would imagine that this Radeon 5500 won't be in future macbook designs, thanks to the expensive beta testing we've performed for them!

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from Apple.

For those stuck with one like me, I currently have a working setup using 2 x 1080p monitors, 1 using a DVI to USB3 cable, and one using an HDMI to USB3 adaptor. Working in clamshell mode, with the laptop face down in a vertical stand. GPU draws 5w instead of 18, and temp stays around 60, meaning fans stay quiet. I'm also running Turboboost Switcher pro and have TB disabled all the time.

If you're thinking of buying one, my advice is don't. Unless you never use external monitors.

Very very sad showing by Apple's engineers.

I definitely agree 100% with you on this with the 16" Macbook Pros:

"If you're thinking of buying one, my advice is don't. Unless you never use external monitors."
 
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I'm officialy giving up and won't buy MBP 16.

My currently mpb 13" 2018 have again an issue with keyboard (double character with one press) so I will probably just
get a new MBP 13" 2020 with new keyboard OR get a mac mini with eGPU to connect 2x 4k 27" (as mbp 13" can't handle it to be honest).

Sad, soo sad that the mbp 16" is so broken :(
 
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To add another datapoint, I'm running the 5600M with the 2.3 i9. I have lid open connected to two 4k LG displays via a Caldigit TS3+ connected to a left side TB3 port. Both monitors are connected via DisplayPort. Both 4k monitors are running a scaled resolution (looks like 1440).

As I type this, iStats reports a CPU temperature of 52º with a fan speed of ~1800 RPM. Radeon high side is 9W. I have several productivity apps open. I would consider this a light load. When I'm doing more, say working in Excel, Outlook, several Safari tabs open, "normal" load, the fans will go up to ~2500 RPM. Still quiet as far as I'm concerned. Fans only become audible on Teams calls, using Google Earth, or running a Windows 10 VM.

I specifically bought the 5600M despite not needing its power to avoid the fan issues documented in this thread. While the price was somewhat ridiculous, I have a quiet, functioning, powerful machine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
To add another datapoint, I'm running the 5600M with the 2.3 i9. I have lid open connected to two 4k LG displays via a Caldigit TS3+ connected to a left side TB3 port. Both monitors are connected via DisplayPort. Both 4k monitors are running a scaled resolution (looks like 1440).

As I type this, iStats reports a CPU temperature of 52º with a fan speed of ~1800 RPM. Radeon high side is 9W. I have several productivity apps open. I would consider this a light load. When I'm doing more, say working in Excel, Outlook, several Safari tabs open, "normal" load, the fans will go up to ~2500 RPM. Still quiet as far as I'm concerned. Fans only become audible on Teams calls, using Google Earth, or running a Windows 10 VM.

I specifically bought the 5600M despite not needing its power to avoid the fan issues documented in this thread. While the price was somewhat ridiculous, I have a quiet, functioning, powerful machine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is how apple is making profit :p no offense - I was thinking about getting the 5600M as well, but some users are saying the problem still exist, sometimes.
 
Howdy Folks,

Please don't flame me 🔥. This is just a thought, not a criticism, or intended to discount what anyone here has said. This issue is real, as folks are not happy. Buuuuut........ One of the "features" of the new 16" MacBook Pro was the improved thermals. Perhaps the "improvement" (or observable behavior cased by it) is that the fans only come on at certain workloads (based on temp, voltage, and power state), and can cool the components more quickly than the "old" cooling? If this is the case, it would explain why the folks that contacted Apple, have been told that it is "expected behavior"? Just a thought...........

Rich S.
 
Howdy Folks,

Please don't flame me 🔥. This is just a thought, not a criticism, or intended to discount what anyone here has said. This issue is real, as folks are not happy. Buuuuut........ One of the "features" of the new 16" MacBook Pro was the improved thermals. Perhaps the "improvement" (or observable behavior cased by it) is that the fans only come on at certain workloads (based on temp, voltage, and power state), and can cool the components more quickly than the "old" cooling? If this is the case, it would explain why the folks that contacted Apple, have been told that it is "expected behavior"? Just a thought...........

Rich S.

Sorry man but you misunderstand. Main problem is that dGPU NEEDLESSLY wastes 13-14W. Fan curves and profiles are not the issue. Exact fan speeds, temps etc don't matter, problem is excessive dGPU power consumption and its consequences.

So while some people experience only little fan noise even with dGPU 20W idle, they are missing out on even quieter and cooler laptop with longer lasting battery. They also have less headroom when things get more busy in CPU department since thermal throttling will occur sooner.

Proof is that 5300 and 5500 cards are capable of running TWO identical 4k monitors only consuming 6-9W (in clamshell, without internal screen) but fail to get less than 19W with even one 1080 external monitor (non-clamshell).
 
Damn it saddens me reading so many bad reviews about the mbp 16". I've planned for a long time to buy the 2019 MBP 16" in autumn.

I plan to use it mostly in clamshell mode connected to a dock using two 2k monitors. Will this be a problem for me? Or should I just go with the 13" MBP and skip the discrete graphics?
 
Damn it saddens me reading so many bad reviews about the mbp 16". I've planned for a long time to buy the 2019 MBP 16" in autumn.

I plan to use it mostly in clamshell mode connected to a dock using two 2k monitors. Will this be a problem for me? Or should I just go with the 13" MBP and skip the discrete graphics?

People have problem even with 2x 1080p monitors. I'm thinking about eGPU but then once again - it's another box on my minimalist desk :D
 
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