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(2019) 16" is HOT & NOISY with an external monitor! :(
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I snagged a Dell D6000 for $60, couldn't be happier. Connected my 1440p display through HDMI. Whisper quiet, Radeon High Side at 6-7W. I didn't notice any lag so far, but I haven't tried any intensive tasks. This is the most cost-effective fix I could find for my use case, and I don't have any issues with it so far.
Went and did it. Sold my 16" and went back to my 2014. I regret not having done this sooner.
- Basically the same performance
- Direct HDMI input
- No touch bar
If you have an old MBP lying around, I recommend you do the same. Liberate yourselves!
- Basically the same performance
- Direct HDMI input
- No touch bar
If you have an old MBP lying around, I recommend you do the same. Liberate yourselves!
My 2011 was definitely too slow and I sold it so no going back. I have an eGPU so I'm fine with my 16" since it was mainly to replace the 2015 iMac and sits on my desk when I'not at my GF house. I keep an extra monitor over there too so It's all good. I wish you well
Yes, you could also run it completely on the integrated gpu if that's what you wanted. Displaylink is cpu-based.
I will when M1X 16" comes out, those rumours sound exciting and will a much better product than 16" 2019
I have a questions for those who bought the D6000 hub.
1. Is the hub capable to deliver full 96W for charging?
2. Has anyone run a game via bootcamp, for example? Is there a difference in performance between connecting a monitor directly to MBP vs via hub?
3. Do you see any performance differences when you use applications that use the power of the graphics card?
4. Is the only way to connect monitors is to use Display link? Or maybe the hub will work like a classic USB-C to HDMI adapter without drivers?
5. What happens when you turn off the monitor without putting the computer to sleep? Will the computer go to sleep after a while, as it looked like in MacBooks, e.g. from 2015 (retina)? I'm asking because I'm currently using a USB-C hub with HDMI output and the computer does not detect when I turn off the monitor. It stays running all the time.
1. Is the hub capable to deliver full 96W for charging?
2. Has anyone run a game via bootcamp, for example? Is there a difference in performance between connecting a monitor directly to MBP vs via hub?
3. Do you see any performance differences when you use applications that use the power of the graphics card?
4. Is the only way to connect monitors is to use Display link? Or maybe the hub will work like a classic USB-C to HDMI adapter without drivers?
5. What happens when you turn off the monitor without putting the computer to sleep? Will the computer go to sleep after a while, as it looked like in MacBooks, e.g. from 2015 (retina)? I'm asking because I'm currently using a USB-C hub with HDMI output and the computer does not detect when I turn off the monitor. It stays running all the time.
Yes, previously I had MBP Retina 15,4. It was the best MacBook I've ever had. It is a pity that it was a version with an integrated graphics card. If not, I would probably not have exchanged it for 16".
My company offered me 16" i9 or 16" i7 or 13" M1 for business use and they do not share the gpu model info. I am working as sysadmin for my company and I use 2017 13" macbook pro in clamshell mode with 1 external 4K monitor(LG 27UL850) in 2K scaled mode with usb-c connection. I also had fan noise problem with 2017 13" pro and fixed with disabling turbo boost mode. Is this problem only happens on 16" when lid opened? not happening in clamshell mode? I want to choose 16" because of x64 architecture and reverse compatibility but if clamshell mode doesn't fix the problem I will go to M1 route.
Currently I have no problem with the fans for the most part. Even when I have two monitors connected and MBP is open. Of course, there are times when the fans turn up. But just connecting the monitors, despite the increased energy consumption by Radeon, doesn't turn the fans at more than about 2300 rpm.
Most depends on what exactly you do at work and whether the applications you use work properly on the ARM architecture. Privately, I wouldn't buy 16 inch at this moment. It loses its value terribly. But if the company pays
Most depends on what exactly you do at work and whether the applications you use work properly on the ARM architecture. Privately, I wouldn't buy 16 inch at this moment. It loses its value terribly. But if the company pays
Exactly. No noise is goodCurrently I have no problem with the fans for the most part. Even when I have two monitors connected and MBP is open. Of course, there are times when the fans turn up. But just connecting the monitors, despite the increased energy consumption by Radeon, doesn't turn the fans at more than about 2300 rpm.
Most depends on what exactly you do at work and whether the applications you use work properly on the ARM architecture. Privately, I wouldn't buy 16 inch at this moment. It loses its value terribly. But if the company pays
I use cli, browsers, office 365 apps, pycharm, text editors, management tools for docker/vmware/kubernetes etc. nothing fancy or gpu intensiveCurrently I have no problem with the fans for the most part. Even when I have two monitors connected and MBP is open. Of course, there are times when the fans turn up. But just connecting the monitors, despite the increased energy consumption by Radeon, doesn't turn the fans at more than about 2300 rpm.
Most depends on what exactly you do at work and whether the applications you use work properly on the ARM architecture. Privately, I wouldn't buy 16 inch at this moment. It loses its value terribly. But if the company pays
I had nothing but trouble with my work 16" + clamshell mode. Hot, noisy fans and frequent reboots.
I'd definitely go with the M1.
Before you decide, check if these applications work properly on the ARM architecture.
Overall, I also plan to switch to new architecture because I'm not entirely satisfied with my 16". And it's not just about the fans. Mostly I'm scared by this drop in value. MBP have always held the price, but now Intel ones are going down terribly.
What type of backwards compatibility do you anticipate needing?
The fan noise on my 16" Base model was annoying enough I bough a BlackMagic eGPU for my 5120x2160 monitor. I've got an M1 Mac Mini and M1 Macbook Air now. For my web dev/sys admin workflow, I find both are equally fast to the 16" Intel and much quieter. Plus better battery life on the Macbook Air than my 16" with its enormous (and heavy) battery. The 13" Pro will have even better battery life.
1. 65W max, so when you are using a lot of CPU/GPU you can actually discharge the macbook while plugged in.
2. DisplayLink screens are at least 1 frame late on either Windows and Mac. It's also very easy to notice the mouse going at 30fps on a screen playing a fullscreen video. However, the HDMI port is not using DisplayLink so you should have zero issue if you use your main monitor on HDMI.
3. In my case, having 2 screens in DisplayLink vs native DispayPort meant a fan speed reduction of 1500RPM overall. System was still very hot to the touch with CPU never going under 60C. Performance in my case was never an issue, only the heat / noise made me return the laptop.
4. Again, the HDMI port is never connected as DisplayLink, only the 2 displayPorts do. So yeah the hub works like a standard hub without the 2 DP ports when you uninstall/desactivate the DisplayLink drivers and yes HDMI works well.
5. Turning off monitors connected on the DP ports will disconnect them from MacOS as expected. However the monitor on HDMI will not disconnect if you turn it off, so I guess it will behave the same as your current HDMI hub. In my case I turned off Power Nap when connected to the AC adapter so I never had any issues others had when waking up the computer, only the monitors were set to turn off in my case.
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I’ve now had a solid 6 months with my MBP16 in clamshell mode and connected to 2 external displays, after initially trying to put up with the fan noise with the lid open. Just not possible with Teams and Zoom calls, the heat and noise was ridiculous. So I went clamshell, invested in decent keyboard/mouse, mic, speakers and webcam, installed Turbo Boost Pro, and all is well. Not happy that I’ve had to pay probably £300 in quality external accessories to have an acceptable user experience on a laptop costing over £2k, I’d have much preferred using the on board keyboard, speakers, mic etc. But it’s working so I’m sticking with it. I have AppleCare but on escalating the heat/noise issue to Apple it was obvious to me that they considered it “normal behaviour”. Which is nonsense of course. I’ll consider changing when Apple release a bigger laptop with their 2nd gen M chip and 4 USB ports. And only then after many user reviews - I jumped in and was an early adopter with this MBP16, never again.
So my advice to everyone with this issue on their MBP16 is to go clamshell if that works for your use case, or change your laptop. Apple won’t be fixing it or even recognising it as a problem. Frustrating but reality.
So my advice to everyone with this issue on their MBP16 is to go clamshell if that works for your use case, or change your laptop. Apple won’t be fixing it or even recognising it as a problem. Frustrating but reality.
Since I have using virtual machines to test or manage DC, I still want support for intel. But I can run my VMs remotely if I had to use M1 model.
This is very frustrating. M1 has compability issues, 16" has temp issues. Maybe I should stay with the current 13" pro intel.
I use my current 2017 13" macbook pro in clamshell mode with external apple keyboard and trackpad. If I enable turbo boost and use monitor in scaled mode(2K resolution in 4K monitor with type-c connection), fans screaming and you can't even touch the laptop. If I disable turbo boost everything is OK. If I use monitor in 1080p or 4K which is native, I don't have to disable turbo boost. If I use zoom or webex and share the screen, no matter turbo boost enabled or disabled, temp 100C and fans are screaming. This is my normal.
I just wanted to learn, is 16" working like 13" intel under these conditions?
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I keep turbo boost disabled on my MBP16. No issues in clamshell mode, heat and fan noise are at acceptably low levels, including when on video conference calls via Teams and Zoom when screen sharing. No issues at all. I have it connected to a 34 inch widescreen monitor (which is powering the MBP connected via USB-C) and a 22 inch monitor (connected via HDMI via an adaptor). The other apps I use (always running) as well as video conferencing are the MS Office for Mac apps, Outlook for Mac, Chrome, Safari, Mail, Music, Podcasts. The browsers always have multiple tabs open.
Egpu fixed a lot of issues if you are using as a desktop [did on my previous 16"] but the CPU shoulders a lot of blame too.
I now have the 5600m model and it is a great computer and most likely will keep it as my windows machine once the new M's come out.
Suffice to say it is warm now but fans are silent still.
I just said the above and they have kicked in
I now have the 5600m model and it is a great computer and most likely will keep it as my windows machine once the new M's come out.
Suffice to say it is warm now but fans are silent still.
I just said the above and they have kicked in
I wonder if the silent behavior of the Radeon 5600 is a matter of a different type of memory, or maybe Apple intentionally improved something in the hardware.Egpu fixed a lot of issues if you are using as a desktop [did on my previous 16"] but the CPU shoulders a lot of blame too.
I now have the 5600m model and it is a great computer and most likely will keep it as my windows machine once the new M's come out.
Suffice to say it is warm now but fans are silent still.
I just said the above and they have kicked in
Yes and no. Apple didn't improve it, AMD upgraded it. It's a hardware design issue.
Anyway, we've really beaten this dead horse to the point there isn't a horse any more.
Conclusions are the same, all Intel-based Mac throttle and hit thermals when combined with GPUs.
The 16 has both a high-end CPU and powerful dGPU. both throttled due to competition for thermals. This will never change due to hardware design (Windows is no exception so not even a discussion point.) The monitor situation is a hardware design choice by AMD as to how it scaled memory up for displays. Again, will not change no matter silly tweaks.
End of the day, you either:
- buy a model with 5600 and spend a lot of money to limit the issue
- use in clamshell with external display (one)
- be smart and buy an M1 MacBook Pro/Air/Mini
- use an eGPU (anything works)
- live with it
My first choice was Clamshell, then eGPU, then finally I moved on to a faster laptop the M1 MacBook Pro 13. Done.
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