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(2019) 16" is HOT & NOISY with an external monitor! :(
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Can you check version of AMDSupport driver?
It can be found in About this Mac > System Report… > Software > Extensions > AMDSupport
Unsure if I have commented on this before but my 13 inch 2020 i5 10th Gen is the same with an external monitor. If I open up Youtube or any other video full screen on the external monitor, I could probably heat my house for a week.
€2500? That's what I saw for my identical config, except I have 64GB but only the 5500/8GB.
I'm using my 16" with an external display and running a Parallels VM that is taking advantage of that second screen (so Windows via Parallels is running on both displays), and this thing is heating up like nobody's business. Fans are full blast and I have dust from the vents blowing out on the table. It's a little annoying, especially for a $2400 machine.
Went for 2750e, so 82% of actual. I saw one same as mine except 64/1tb went for 3200e, wow. I’m converting from dollars.
I am not surprised.
Please don't use a Dev beta, it will make the 16" MBP even worse. I would wait for at least public beta for things to get stable and less buggy.
Man, OneDrive is going to native on M1 later this year. If they make teams native then I am getting a ARM Mac.
If I'll get €2750 for my 16", I'll be over the moon! I'm targetting €2200 and everything above is bonus. eBay is notoriously hard to predict. But I'll clean it up and I have the original box (white one + brown one around it), so it'll be as pristine as it gets.
Nice to hear, but I'm not sure Teams "native" is going to make any difference as they're using this ridiculous framework in order not to really have to program the mac itself.
Which is the recommended way to overcome heating and fan noise issue? I would love to connect to dual external monitors (4K & 1440p)
1) VRM mod
2) Get a DisplayLink docking station (e.g. Dell D6000)
1) VRM mod
2) Get a DisplayLink docking station (e.g. Dell D6000)
VRM mod is not enough for that. VRM mod can just "fix" the regular heating of the un-cooled VRMs.
DisplayLink would be an option. But that causes higher CPU load and might negate any benefit at high resolution.
DisplayLink would be an option. But that causes higher CPU load and might negate any benefit at high resolution.
Another mod to try is putting thermal pads on the heatpipes and using a cooling pad. I do this for my 16" 5500M i9 and it makes gaming under Windows runs much cooler/faster.
While that might work, it makes the 16" effectively a (pretty bad) desktop computer. Without a cooling pad, that mod would cause the machine to overheat quicker or the fans ramp up quicker.
That's actually not true. Using the cooling pad further drops my temps but utilizing the bottom case as a heatsink provides more thermal capacity to dissipate the heat.
I have done this mod so I know how it behaves. It'll make the bottom cover warmer but it doesn't make it overheat faster. If anything, it provides more time for the fans to ramp up before the CPU hits it's thermal limits and throttles. I already have a steeper fan curve using macsfancontrol and I also use Volta within macOS so the maximum amount of power fed to my i9 is limited by what I set it to.
I can provide cinebench results to backup my claim as well.
It's a dev machine anyway. But of course I wouldn't recommend running it on the main machine.
Can confirm that it's "AMDSupport 4.7.4 23310".
I previously mentioned that there are no changes. This is not correct after futher testing.
I have some LG 2560x1080 21:9 monitor which needs a separate profile created with SwitchResX. Then it works using ~5W with the MBP in clamshell mode.
Previously, when I connected an external monitor (1920x1080) or opened my MacBook Pro, it would jump to ~17W.
Now, it "only" jumps to about 13W.
When not applying the custom resolution profile and opening the MBP (or attaching the same 1080p monitor again), it jumps to ~17W again.
When closing the MacBook Pro or disconnecting the monitor (and making sure the main 2560x1080 LG monitor is on the custom profile which normally only uses ~5W), the AMD Radeon still uses 13W. Only a restart (with only the main monitor on) can bring this back down to ~5W.
I also modded my vbios to allow undervolting and allow it to run at 55W if I desire.
The thermal pads to the heatsink definitely makes it warmer on bottom but if you use Volta in MacOS or use QuickCPU under bootcamp you can mitigate the heat if you need to use it on your lap.
Think of the bottom case as a larger diameter rotor on a car. May not improve braking distance but the time it takes to reach its thermal limits will improve since you have more capacity to absorb the heat.
But undervolting on that machine only works on Windows, right? Because Volta doesn't work on the 16" (well it does, but cannot do undervolting).
And for GPU undervolting.. well I don't think that ever worked on macOS.
Volta works in macOS as far as adjusting the max wattage as well as disabling turbo, so the undervolting aspect for the CPU won't work in macOS or windows no matter what.
MSI afterburner with a modded vbios allowed for me to undervolt my 5500M under Windows. I'm sure if I modded the vbios to have the voltage changed on different p-states that it would transfer that over to macOS. If that would cause kernel panics, I have no idea but I can say that I modded the maximum RPM value for the GPU (just added 100 RPM) and macsfancontrol does pick up the additional increase under macOS.
I only use intel's power gadget so I don't really monitor the GPU temps under macOS since most of my heavy GPU usage is under Windows. Is there a monitoring program that allows one to see the GPU voltage under macOS? If so, I can set stock values under MSI afterburner and see if that affects it under macOS.
Hi everybody,
I am using a 16-inch macbook pro, recently I have not used the secondary monitor, but I plan to buy a secondary monitor in the near future and also know some problems related to the secondary screen through many sources, and according to my opinion, this is the place where people discuss the most and have the most experience.
The monitor I intend to buy is LG UP850 4k, here are the ways that I think I will apply to solve the problem after consulting a few sources:
- Use clamshell mode
- Use display port cable instead of thunderbolt, I will probably have to buy an extra cable to serve this, I don't know why this fixes the issue, but I see many people have improved by this way
- Use the SwitchResX app to reconfigure the secondary monitor.
- Use heat sink for macbook pro
Can anyone tell me is there any other way/or is there any unnecessary way in the above ways? Thank you.
I am using a 16-inch macbook pro, recently I have not used the secondary monitor, but I plan to buy a secondary monitor in the near future and also know some problems related to the secondary screen through many sources, and according to my opinion, this is the place where people discuss the most and have the most experience.
The monitor I intend to buy is LG UP850 4k, here are the ways that I think I will apply to solve the problem after consulting a few sources:
- Use clamshell mode
- Use display port cable instead of thunderbolt, I will probably have to buy an extra cable to serve this, I don't know why this fixes the issue, but I see many people have improved by this way
- Use the SwitchResX app to reconfigure the secondary monitor.
- Use heat sink for macbook pro
Can anyone tell me is there any other way/or is there any unnecessary way in the above ways? Thank you.
If you want to use 2 monitors (the internal one also counts as a monitor) at the same time, you will run into the heating issue anyway. So you can only try to reduce the impact by dissipating more heat.
Clamshell mode only solves the issue if you only run one external monitor. In that case, SwitchResX is often not needed (at least not for the two monitors I tested and the one I use right now). I would try without that first. Look for the GPU wattage. if it's at around 18W, you might want to play around with it. If it's below 10W, then you're good.
Heatsink... do you mean padding the VRMs? Because that is definitely necessary if you don't want your Mac to become a jet engine. Other things that help are a cooling pad (with fans) or a vertical stand where the MBP is standing in with the fan exhaust pointing upwards. Both only really helps with thermal pad mod. Otherwise, the heat is trapped inside the MBP's chassis.
For the Cables... you might just want to try it out. BTW: The LG monitor you named has no Thunderbolt. It's just USB-C.
Clamshell mode only solves the issue if you only run one external monitor. In that case, SwitchResX is often not needed (at least not for the two monitors I tested and the one I use right now). I would try without that first. Look for the GPU wattage. if it's at around 18W, you might want to play around with it. If it's below 10W, then you're good.
Heatsink... do you mean padding the VRMs? Because that is definitely necessary if you don't want your Mac to become a jet engine. Other things that help are a cooling pad (with fans) or a vertical stand where the MBP is standing in with the fan exhaust pointing upwards. Both only really helps with thermal pad mod. Otherwise, the heat is trapped inside the MBP's chassis.
For the Cables... you might just want to try it out. BTW: The LG monitor you named has no Thunderbolt. It's just USB-C.
Thank for your details response, what I mean when I mention heatsink is something like the image below, sorry for my English, just googled it again and the correct word is cooler pad.
So in conclusion:
- If I want to use only one screen then Clamshell is enough
- If I want to use 2 screens, 1 of the macbook itself and an external monitor => should use SwitchResX
- If I want to use only one screen then Clamshell is enough
- If I want to use 2 screens, 1 of the macbook itself and an external monitor => should use SwitchResX