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kasakka

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Yeah this pile of crap 2019 16" Intel MBP even in low power mode is just running fans full blast with the Radeon GPU pulling 19W while the computer is doing basically nothing, only has two external monitors (1440p) connected.

I can't believe that Apple is unable to fix this ********.
 
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ferbandie

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macOS 12.5 breaks consumption again with an external monitor 18,5W doing nothing vs 5,5W with 12.4 with the lid open, if I close the lid Radeon High Side return to 5,5W. Thanks apple...
 

kasakka

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macOS 12.5 breaks consumption again with an external monitor 18,5W doing nothing vs 5,5W with 12.4 with the lid open, if I close the lid Radeon High Side return to 5,5W. Thanks apple...
I run mine in clamshell mode and still get 18-19W power consumption in 12.5.

Do you mean you first need to open the lid then close it again?
 

MajorFubar

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Yeah this pile of crap 2019 16" Intel MBP even in low power mode is just running fans full blast with the Radeon GPU pulling 19W while the computer is doing basically nothing, only has two external monitors (1440p) connected.

I can't believe that Apple is unable to fix this ********.
I know this doesn't directly help you but they did fix it, by dumping lousy Intel processors that act as space heaters, literally the year after :-(
 

ferbandie

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I run mine in clamshell mode and still get 18-19W power consumption in 12.5.

Do you mean you first need to open the lid then close it again?
I only have one monitor not two this could be your reason, but in 12.4 I had 5,5-6,5W with my 4k monitor and doesn't matter if I had the lid open or closed
 

kasakka

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I know this doesn't directly help you but they did fix it, by dumping lousy Intel processors that act as space heaters, literally the year after :-(
Don't I know it. I'm just waiting for the M2 Macbook Pros to release to replace this turd. I have been very dissatisfied with the 2016 and 2019 MBPs I've had but at least I haven't had to pay for these myself as they are work machines.
 
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Norbert Mikołajczyk

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Not for me, all is fixed as before. Lid open and connected to the external 1440p monitor via usb-c->cdmi adapter via Belkin.
I think you'll need to try it yourself and rollback if there will be any problems.
Please check the screen refresh rates after upgrade. Mine are 60Hz both.

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ferbandie

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Not for me, all is fixed as before. Lid open and connected to the external 1440p monitor via usb-c->cdmi adapter via Belkin.
I think you'll need to try it yourself and rollback if there will be any problems.
Please check the screen refresh rates after upgrade. Mine are 60Hz both.

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Yes, my screen refresh rate was at 60Hz static, but with the update has changed to variable 30-60Hz with the extra power draw. Thanks for the advice, now is 5,5-8W like before
 

spiderman0616

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Don't I know it. I'm just waiting for the M2 Macbook Pros to release to replace this turd. I have been very dissatisfied with the 2016 and 2019 MBPs I've had but at least I haven't had to pay for these myself as they are work machines.
You’re in for a MUCH better experience once you make the jump. It will feel like the Mac is finally running the way it was designed to run.
 
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MajorFubar

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Remember when iPads first launched and they were quiet, cool, fanless and fast? And laptop-lovers all scoffed and said, "well that's only because the Apple chips are underpowered, are only capable of running an OS and apps that are laughably basic, and would melt into a plastic and silicon pulp if you gave them a desktop-class OS and desktop-class apps to run", while trying to hear themselves think over the noise of their portable fan-cooled Intel-powered space-heaters? Well all that changed in November 2020.
 

Wokis

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I know this doesn't directly help you but they did fix it, by dumping lousy Intel processors that act as space heaters, literally the year after :-(
Funny you're throwing shade on Intel in this instance when it's well-established this issue was due to the AMD graphics.

Emphasis on was. I didn't find that the update broke the driver fix that made this issue go away a long while ago.
 

MajorFubar

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Funny you're throwing shade on Intel in this instance when it's well-established this issue was due to the AMD graphics.

Emphasis on was. I didn't find that the update broke the driver fix that made this issue go away a long while ago.
Intel, AMD whatever. Point is the switch to Apple Silicon couldn't come soon enough IMO, to get rid of these over-heating power-hungry laptops.
 

Minga_

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Intel, AMD whatever. Point is the switch to Apple Silicon couldn't come soon enough IMO, to get rid of these over-heating power-hungry laptops.
That's only half the story. The new machines also became noticeably thicker and with way improved cooling capabilities, which clearly shows that it wasn't all Intel and AMD's fault but also Apple's, because they clearly valued form over function in that regard. If it wasn't like that the new Apple Silicon Macs would still be as thin as the old ones.
 
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pshufd

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That's only half the story. The new machines also became noticeably thicker and with way improved cooling capabilities, which clearly shows that it wasn't all Intel and AMD's fault but also Apple's, because they clearly valued form over function in that regard. If it wasn't like that the new Apple Silicon Macs would still be as thin as the old ones.

They can clearly still make the thin ones given that we have the MacBook Airs.

The M1 MacBook Pros are just showing off running with fan speeds of 0.
 
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MajorFubar

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That's only half the story. The new machines also became noticeably thicker and with way improved cooling capabilities, which clearly shows that it wasn't all Intel and AMD's fault but also Apple's, because they clearly valued form over function in that regard. If it wasn't like that the new Apple Silicon Macs would still be as thin as the old ones.
@pshufd already answered but since you quoted me, I give you the M1 MBA: lays most of the previous Intel MBPs to waste with only passive cooling while being about the same thickness as an iPhone in wallet-case.
 

spiderman0616

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Intel, AMD whatever. Point is the switch to Apple Silicon couldn't come soon enough IMO, to get rid of these over-heating power-hungry laptops.
The path Apple was going down with Intel was unsustainable and they knew it. Every passing year, MacBooks were performing more and more like PCs, and Apple users typically don't like slow, hot, loud laptops. I completely abandoned MacBooks for several years because of Intel. So glad they reversed course.
 
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pshufd

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@pshufd already answered but since you quoted me, I give you the M1 MBA: lays most of the previous Intel MBPs to waste with only passive cooling while being about the same thickness as an iPhone in wallet-case.

I meant that they can still make the thin Apple Silicon MacBook Air models. They didn't have to go thick on the new ones with similar performance to the Intel models.
 
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davidy4ng

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Aug 1, 2022
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It's my first post on this topic but I read a lot of pages about this issue because I encountered them as well.
No solutions ever worked though.

But using an external monitor through Thunderbolt seems to solve all the slowness issues.

I was switching from 2 setups from time to time: LG 27UL850 and an old Apple Thunderbolt Display.
Never had any issue with the Thunderbolt Display (not 4K though).

I got rid of my LG display for a Samsung LF32TU87 (32 inch with Thunderbolt) on one of my setup. No more issues.

It's still clearly an issue with the MacBook though, it should be able to handle any display through HDMI or USB-C without performance issue.
 

nilk

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I'm fine on Monterey running my monitor at 60hz to solve the issue and glad to have that solution, but I do wish now that the GPU market is getting better for buyers that an eGPU like the Sonnet Puck 5500 XT could be obtained at a lower price, but that doesn't seem to be happening (still $600). That one sounds like its quiet enough to be a decent workaround.

I don't want to invest too much in an AMD card + eGPU enclosure since it won't be useful to me in the future -- Apple Silicon Macs can't use that and for PCs I prefer Nvidia for my PCs because of CUDA (something Macs used to have when Nvidia was an option, but now I need a PC if I don't want to use cloud GPUs). I guess it could give my iMac w/ 570 some usefulness.
 

dinobear

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I know this doesn't directly help you but they did fix it, by dumping lousy Intel processors that act as space heaters, literally the year after :-(
they fixed it with the 5600m for the 2019 intel mbp. ive never had an issue with the fans and external monitors on my 16" mbp 5600m. My macbook also has 64gb ram and is lighter than the Apple silicon versions. My intel mbp can run 4 monitors and the apple silicon are limited to what, 2? It's amazing it's been 2 years since I got it and the new apple silicon ones still look like a downgrade to me. Apple silicon is a heavier laptop, with less ram, and less monitor capabilities. But the battery lasts a little longer, ok. Looking forward to seeing a real upgrade over the intel + 5600m. I will wait.
 
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chengengaun

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My intel mbp can run 4 monitors and the apple silicon are limited to what, 2?
The MBP i9 (which I used to own) can drive four 4K monitors + internal display (39.1 megapixels total) or two 6K monitors + internal display (44.7 megapixels total).

The M1 Pro MBP can drive two 6K displays + internal display (46.6 megapixels total) while the M1 Max can drive three 6K displays, one 4K display + internal display (74.3 megapixels total).

Apple silicon is a heavier laptop, with less ram, and less monitor capabilities. But the battery lasts a little longer, ok.
I have now switched to the 14" M1 Max which is substantially lighter (the new 16" is only 100g heavier than the 2019 16"), experience less bottleneck despite apparently less memory thanks to much better systems integration, and the battery life lasts more than twice as long under heavy load (<2 hours vs. 4-6 hours). The differences are not trivial, but to each his/her own I suppose.
 
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bearmaster1

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I was thinking about picking up a used base model 16" with 5300m graphics, but this thread has scared me away! My current computer is a 2020 MBP 13" that handles my workload with little or no fan activity. I wish apple sold a cheaper big screen laptop.
 
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