You do know that the 14" and 16" 2021 MBPs can have 64GB RAM and support 4 external monitors with the M1 Max. The CPU and GPU of the M1 Max is faster than the i9 + 5600m.
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(2019) 16" is HOT & NOISY with an external monitor! :(
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It's not the Intel processors. It's the crappy AMD drivers/firmware.
Stop shifting the blame to intel. The 2019 16" 8 core Intel is actually faster than the 2022 M1 Apple Silicon in math applications, like matrix multiplication. Intel has optimized its math libraries, Apple only has optimization for Memojis
Faster at what? Memojis? Try a Mathematica benchmark. The Intel Mac is 3 years older and still faster than the 2022 Apple Silicon Macs.
Get a proper Intel PC/laptop. Those 9th gens are weak compared to 12th gen Intel. Macs don't have proper cooling.
In CPU rendering 9th gen is now weak. A 12th gen i5 beats a 9th gen i9.
oh yeah I now reliased Apple Sillicon is only good for video editing.
Oh, I sure did. I got an Surface Laptop Studio and it has become my daily driver. I rarely use the 16" MacBook and my Mac Mini since I got the SLS. I miss the 8 cores, and 4 cores on the SLS are not enough, but I just enjoy the form factor more, as I can use a stylus while teaching, mark student coursework with the stylus, explain equations during meetings with the stylus, I can use the Nvidia GPU for CUDA and machine learning, and I can run 32 bit LaTeX applications for editing equations. I hope Intel catches up on battery efficiency and video editing efficiency at some point. But Intel is still ahead on the math, science, and eGPU/Thunderbolt 4 front, as they have invested in optimized math libraries, unlike Apple and AMD. Library optimization is also what seperates Nvidia and CUDA from AMD and Apple.
Apple's planned obsolescence, blocking eGPU, blocking Nvidia/CUDA, dropping BootCamp support, refusing to support touch/stylus (just to sell more ipads), have led me to retire a bunch of MacBooks and MacMinis, even my expensive 16" 5600m MacBook. They have been relegated to mining ether, or streaming movies to my projector, or sitting in a drawer, since Apple is working hard to remove as much functionality as possible. These days they only cater to video editors (as they produce youtube video reviews and promote Apple products) and no longer care about scientists or higher education. It's a shame, because Steve Jobs had made scientific and educational applications a top priority, and most scientists used Macs until recently. Tim Cook brought the mentality of a shoe salesman from Nike to Apple.
agree man. Enjoy your SLS. the 12th gen should offer more cores from Intel. Hopefully MS releases a 12th gen SL and SLS.
Apple is no longer the gold stantard for real work. Not everyone video edits
EDIT: Just an update to this. I will stay with my 2019" MBP until Apple beats Intel in math applications. I don't care about CUDA but I will stay on my Intel Mac till Apple focuses on Math libraries with AS.
I like macOS more than Windows/Linux and Apple's laptop design is more to my taste. IE the speakers, keyboard/trackpad and display scaling.
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I teach as well. I'm just curious what program you use along with the stylus when teaching? Is it OneNote?
Hello,
After some time I sent the LG screen to a technical service and they told me everything was OK —they supposedly tested it on several computers. I still have this Radeon High Side bug, even though I keep my Mac updated in hope that some update works for me. The only workaround at the moment (about 6W) is to set resolution to 1080p. In a ultrawide monitor, you can guess the result... If anyone with >Monterey 12.3 has solved the problem please explain what you tried
Thanks!
What about to go to the shop where monitors are for sale with showcase and just try to connect to several monitors and check if the issue persistHello,
After some time I sent the LG screen to a technical service and they told me everything was OK —they supposedly tested it on several computers. I still have this Radeon High Side bug, even though I keep my Mac updated in hope that some update works for me. The only workaround at the moment (about 6W) is to set resolution to 1080p. In a ultrawide monitor, you can guess the result... If anyone with >Monterey 12.3 has solved the problem please explain what you tried
Thanks!
I can use onenote, or just a word document, with green background and white marker/chalk color on top. It's much better than using a blackboard, as I do not need to drag the projector panel up and down. And if I record or stream the lecture online, anything on my screen gets recorded, so it's much more convenient for everything. I can't go back to teaching without a stylus.
Based on some posts, I bought a Dell D6000 powered USB Dock, installed the DisplayLink Driver... and it solved the issue.
- MPB 16'', 2019, i9 2.3, 16Go, Radeon 5500M, Monterey 12.5.1
- LG ultrawide 29'' at 2560x1080 @ 60Hz (standard)
- D6000 on a ubc-c port
- HDMI cable (between D6000 and LG ultrawide)
Radeon High Side dropped from 18W to 0W
Just a thought : a second hand D6000 is just 50€, and might be used anyway if you have a laptop
- MPB 16'', 2019, i9 2.3, 16Go, Radeon 5500M, Monterey 12.5.1
- LG ultrawide 29'' at 2560x1080 @ 60Hz (standard)
- D6000 on a ubc-c port
- HDMI cable (between D6000 and LG ultrawide)
Radeon High Side dropped from 18W to 0W
Just a thought : a second hand D6000 is just 50€, and might be used anyway if you have a laptop
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The reason for the 0 watts of the AMD graphics chip is that it isn't used. DisplayLink uses the hardware acceleration of your graphics chip in the processor, the intel thing. As long as you don't do graphic intensive things you might get away with DisplayLink.
Thks to point out the normal behaviour, the MPB can't achieve alone, that is, bring power when needed (without the D6000, the AMD GPU was at 18W though the MPB was idle, both screens in sleep mode).
I just launch OBS, and AMD GPU reaches a little 4W... so the fans stay quiet.
I've been fine since I switched to a M1 Macbook Pro. For those with issues with the AMD 5300/5500M GPU's, my work around was to use 30Hz refresh rate instead of the default 60Hz for my 2 LG Ultrafine displays , with the lid closed.
I'm unwatching this thread and wish anyone still stuck with an overheating issue the best of luck.
I'm unwatching this thread and wish anyone still stuck with an overheating issue the best of luck.
My two cents on this discussion, which I am following since a long time.
1) I have MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019), with AMD Radeon Pro 5300M 4 GB.
2) After upgrading to Monterey, and using lpm, I notice a significant improvement (using a dell external display at work and a LG at home). With the lid open, I can have the GPU at ~6-7 W, while with the closed lid it goes down to ~4 W.
3)But, from time to time, it was going suddenly up to 18-20 W, without anything running in particular. I noticed that the big difference is given by apps using at some point (unexpectedly) intensive of gpu-rendering. In this regard, Chrome was the app with the highest impact. For example, after exceeding a given number of tabs, the gpu-rendering was starting to increase (also if the pages were apparently not supposed to require it). I noticed, that even pages showing github Actions pipelines, or gitlab, were increasing the GPU up to 20W.
4)The solution, in my case, has been to use as much as possible Safari. Moving most of my web usage to Safari, resulted in the load never exceeding the 12W, and always with a short duration of this activity, hence having a stable ~6-8 W with very short and are excursion (seconds) to 12 W, whiles for Chrome these excursions were more extreme, and lasting forever.
The conclusions base on y personal experience are:
1) Monterey with lpm does its job
2) whenever you see a sudden increase in the W of your GPU, have a look at the task monitor, and guess which application is mostly responsible (Chrome for sure, but also Skype, Slack, and WhatsApp might have a significant impact). Indeed, you might think that your GPU is going crazy without anything really doing graphically demanding jobs, but some tab of your Chrome browser (open on a light page, but with some weird js code) might actually be responsible for the intensive GPU task
1) I have MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019), with AMD Radeon Pro 5300M 4 GB.
2) After upgrading to Monterey, and using lpm, I notice a significant improvement (using a dell external display at work and a LG at home). With the lid open, I can have the GPU at ~6-7 W, while with the closed lid it goes down to ~4 W.
3)But, from time to time, it was going suddenly up to 18-20 W, without anything running in particular. I noticed that the big difference is given by apps using at some point (unexpectedly) intensive of gpu-rendering. In this regard, Chrome was the app with the highest impact. For example, after exceeding a given number of tabs, the gpu-rendering was starting to increase (also if the pages were apparently not supposed to require it). I noticed, that even pages showing github Actions pipelines, or gitlab, were increasing the GPU up to 20W.
4)The solution, in my case, has been to use as much as possible Safari. Moving most of my web usage to Safari, resulted in the load never exceeding the 12W, and always with a short duration of this activity, hence having a stable ~6-8 W with very short and are excursion (seconds) to 12 W, whiles for Chrome these excursions were more extreme, and lasting forever.
The conclusions base on y personal experience are:
1) Monterey with lpm does its job
2) whenever you see a sudden increase in the W of your GPU, have a look at the task monitor, and guess which application is mostly responsible (Chrome for sure, but also Skype, Slack, and WhatsApp might have a significant impact). Indeed, you might think that your GPU is going crazy without anything really doing graphically demanding jobs, but some tab of your Chrome browser (open on a light page, but with some weird js code) might actually be responsible for the intensive GPU task
@orion73 Though for the record LPM doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for the GPU/GDDR to clock down to reasonable levels. That setting has such an impact on general performance that I really really prefer it to be off.
While browsing the web etc (Safari, but I recently switched to Firefox) it's whisper quiet nowadays
While browsing the web etc (Safari, but I recently switched to Firefox) it's whisper quiet nowadays
If there are people running Windows 10 via Boot Camp and actually using Dolby Atmos (Music profile with Warm preset) here with 2019 16-inch MBP, would you kindly report if you still get occasional random popping sound in Windows and macOS with two most recent firmware versions (1916.40.8.0.0 (iBridge: 20.16.411.0.0,0) and 1731.140.2.0.0 (iBridge is 19.16.16067.0.0,0.))? Sorry for off-topic, the thread related to the issue is dead.
Everything still fine under macOS 13—I think I can safely unsubscribe this thread.
Crackling is heard on MBP 2015 under Windows 11. I don't have any cracking sound issues in Windows 10.