2020 Air Heatsink Modification Thread

[Mopar]

About fans and fan noise in your Apple product – Apple Support (AU)

Find out how your Apple product monitors internal temperatures and uses fans to cool critical components.

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If your device's processor is working on intensive tasks — such as compressing HD video, playing a graphics-heavy game or indexing the hard drive with Spotlight after you migrate data — the fans run faster to provide additional airflow. You might hear fan noise when this happens, especially if you're in a quiet environment. This rushing-air sound is a normal part of the cooling process.

If the machine was indexing during GB5, it was probably still indexing during Cinebench R15. Indexing a new machine can take hours. Especially if you are constantly loading up the CPU at the same time.

Just sayin'

 

[kreasonos]

Notebookcheck.net is considered one of the better review sites and much more thorough than the others. It might be GB run again during indexing, but it still doesn't refute the fact that the 2020's MBA's cooling is piss poor just like the previous gen causing the fan to be significantly louder. Over 10dba in noise difference is very very noticeable.

If you're a facebook/safari user all day (which I guess is the majority anyway) I guess it won't matter much. However, I was expecting this to replace my rMB 12 that struggles with my DSLR 45MP RAW files in lightroom and it's going to be a loud machine. My rMBP 16 is fast, but just too bulky for travel. It get's loud, but the fan noise is pleasant vs higher pitch fans. I guess I'll just cancel my loaded MBA i7 order and just wait for the rMBP 13-14 update...

I agree with you, I picked up a 16" MBP at the apple store and it was a tank. Too heavy for a portable in my opinion.

 

[Altherekho]

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Is it really difficult to add a heat pipe? This is something that I can not understand.

I think someone can but as someone said the system is crippled to work without , basically we have an almost Macbook pro...i know its not entirely this but let me say it.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

About fans and fan noise in your Apple product – Apple Support (AU)

Find out how your Apple product monitors internal temperatures and uses fans to cool critical components.

support.apple.com

If the machine was indexing during GB5, it was probably still indexing during Cinebench R15. Indexing a new machine can take hours. Especially if you are constantly loading up the CPU at the same time.

Just sayin'

My 2017 MBP took roughly 4 hours to reindex everything when I moved to it, and the MBP didn’t do anything else (I wanted to see how long it would take to reindex).

 

[nnoob]

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Ran the fan at full blast, I scored better than liquid cooling and the gel pack.

 

[nnoob]

Look guys, heatsink and the case fan is fully on par for it job. apple picked the size of the heatsink and fan based on the CPU power limit not because of some conspiracy, why spend money on heatpipe when you can achieve same result with heat sink and case fan....

I have shown you my evidence that others is wrong. As an engineer, I rely on fact to make an informed decision.

 

[Tubamajuba]

Ran the fan at full blast, I scored better than liquid cooling and the gel pack.

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It's nice to know that we can squeeze sustained performance out of these machines somehow! I'm already accustomed to running the fan on my 2012 MBP at full blast while gaming, so this is alright to me.

 

[nnoob]

My test on the when case fan is auto, scores around 1070 point which is a 9 % decrease in performance... I think it is because the cpu reaches it heat limit than power limit when peak turboboost get dropped down ~10 watt.

 

[high heaven]

I think someone can but as someone said the system is crippled to work without , basically we have an almost Macbook pro...i know its not entirely this but let me say it.

Intel tends to have higher heat and power consumption. It wouldn't be a problem to add a heat pipe cause It uses Y series, not U series.
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Ran the fan at full blast, I scored better than liquid cooling and the gel pack.

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Doesnt proves anything. Do you have other laptops with the same CPU to compare?

Also, the score does NOT represent stability in terms of heat. How the score shows that MBA 2020 can sustain the performance when you edit or work with your laptop?

 

[high heaven]

why spend money on heatpipe when you can achieve same result with heat sink and case fan....

Where is the result between with or without a heat pipe?

 

[nnoob]

Where is the result between with or without a heat pipe?

Look at maxtech youtube result where he put water cooling solution to cool the macbook air heat sink. My score was 1170 with air cooling vs his score was 1130 with water cooling.

 

[high heaven]

Look at maxtech youtube result where he put water cooling solution to cool the macbook air heat sink. My score was 1170 with air cooling vs his score was 1130 with water cooling.

Wrong. Water cooling is not even properly connected to CPU instead of a heat sink. I guess the software update affected the score.

Also, as I mentioned above, the score does NOT represent the stability in real life. One of Max's video showed FCPX shut down unexpectedly due to its heat while it was exporting.

At this point, your score does not prove anything at all especially for stability. This is why it should've been better to have a heat pipe connected between a fan and a heat sink.

 

[nnoob]

Doesnt proves anything. Do you have other laptops with the same CPU to compare?

Also, the score does NOT represent stability in terms of heat. How the score shows that MBA 2020 can sustain the performance when you edit or work with your laptop?

I did not buy the macbook air for more demanding workload, i'm only using this machine as my internet/movie machine . intel CPU power gadget says it is using 10 watt and it is hitting the power limit that apple /intel designed it.

I have a work provided 16 inch macbook pro with core i9.
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Wrong. Water cooling is not even properly connected to CPU instead of a heat sink. I guess the software update affected the score.

Also, as I mentioned above, the score does NOT represent the stability in real life. One of Max's video showed FCPX shut down unexpectedly due to its heat while it was exporting.

At this point, your score does not prove anything at all especially for stability. This is why it should've been better to have a heat pipe connected between a fan and a heat sink.

The crash with FCFX is probably a bug, it would've been reproducible if it was a stability issue.. I don't know how he came up with 1350 number. it probably came out of his ass.

 

[high heaven]

I did not buy the macbook air for more demanding workload, i'm only using this machine as my internet/movie machine . intel CPU power gadget says it is using 10 watt and it is hitting the power limit that intel designed it.

I have a work provided 16 inch macbook pro with core i9.

You see, the heat pipe issue is not just about the cooling performance but also the stability of the computer itself. Whatever you are using it for, it didn't prove anything about the stability or something related to cooling performance.

 

[nnoob]

You see, the heat pipe issue is not just about the cooling performance but also the stability of the computer itself. Whatever you are using it for, it didn't prove anything about the stability or something related to cooling performance.

Got any proof on stability issues? I think you are pulling that out of your ass...

 

[high heaven]

Got any proof on stability issues? I think you are pulling that out of your ass...

He already got several reports about heat issues. Max's video also proves my point cause FCPX shuts down by itself.

But not having a proper cooling system is already a failure and it's a common-sense if you ever build computers.

 

[nnoob]

He already got several reports about heat issues. Max's video also proves my point cause FCPX shuts down by itself.

But not having a proper cooling system is already a failure and it's a common-sense if you ever build computers.

Yeah , that isn't the 2020 model.
Where is the video that max tech that shows shut down?

 

[high heaven]

Yeah , that isn't the 2020 model.
Where is the video that max tech that shows shut down?

Same design with a different heat sink anyway, not that better.

It wouldn't be a problem if MBA 2020 has a proper cooling system to exhaust the heat from inside.

 

[nnoob]

Same design with a different heat sink anyway, not that better.

It wouldn't be a problem if MBA 2020 has a proper cooling system to exhaust the heat from inside.

There is no evidence of that.... I bet it is a graphic driver issue because the gen11 graphic driver isn't finalized yet..

 

[Mopar]

I love watching two people debating a product when one of them actually owns and has tested the product himself whilst the other doesn't and is relying on YouTube videos.

He already got several reports about heat issues. Max's video also proves my point cause FCPX shuts down by itself.

But not having a proper cooling system is already a failure and it's a common-sense if you ever build computers.

This guy might be a repairman, but he's no engineer. If he can't see the air vents, dams and channels inside the case and backpanel that draw fresh air directly over the motherboard and heatsink, then he is being completly dishonest – or at the very least naive – about how the cooling system works.

I love how he takes the cover off and exclaims "WTF" – as if it is the first time he has ever opened a Mac. He clearly has not even looked at the thermal layout before he reaches his conclusion. I put no faith in that review.

 

[jgorman]

There is no evidence of that.... I bet it is a graphic driver issue because the gen11 graphic driver isn't finalized yet..

Do you have more information about the graphics driver not being finalized yet?

 

[jgorman]

Problems with temperature can pop up in unexpected ways. For example, my old 2014 MBA did shutdown suddenly sometimes when playing old games in Bootcamp. I thought it was just a game software bug until the MBA's two rear rubber feet came off.

The heat had melted the glue that held the rubber feet to the aluminum case. I kept an eye on CPU temperatures and discovered they were going above 100 degrees C prior to shutting down. Intel's chip seemingly did correctly shutdown to save itself in these situations, but what about damage to the other case components, like the rubber feet, the battery and the logic board?

So when I hear that the new MBA sustains CPU temperature at 100 degrees C, it is a little worrying.

 

[jinnyman]

Well I agree with the sentiment that the product is made for a certain type of users. However, I don’t like Apple implementing CPU in a way that temp reaches 100 degree C when under load. Just like Mac Mini and previous MBA, this year’s MBA also exhibit the same problem. Personally, I believe each product’s thermal should be sufficient/or power control is tuned down enough to make sure the temp remains under 90.

 

[jgorman]

In case people are interested in games like Fortnite on the new MBA, this video seems to show the CPU temperature stays at 100 degrees C for as long as you play.

 

[Altherekho]

Intel tends to have higher heat and power consumption. It wouldn't be a problem to add a heat pipe cause It uses Y series, not U series.
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Thanks,interesting , can you show me some examples? Some aftermarket parts? I doubt i will ever do but i’m curious , i’m more in need to be aware of what i can ask to this machine before melting down fried like an egg . I want to run it safe , for example if i use an external Gpu will this melt “my i5 , i7 ?

ps.about egpu ,didn’t see the post right above
ps.2 it stutters , guess what with i7 and no egpu in Win10, i suppose its not Air related isn’it?