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Rafterman

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Because it isn't right? Doesn't matter if it happens in the real world or not. If a person works hard they should be rewarded with a fair wage.

Also lets be quite real about that 100,000 dollar education, with the exception of a handful of schools, the time away from class for football activities means they're not getting 100,000 dollars with of education. Stanford, Notre Dame, and others are those schools that have high academic standards.

Apple is a trillion dollar company. I think everyone who works there should get 100 million. Fair, right?
 
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maflynn

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Apple is a trillion dollar company. I think everyone who works there should get 100 million. Fair, right?
Not a 100 million but a fair wage. Many if not most have stock options don’t they? Bonuses are also part of the industry and pay scale for many developers and engineers are over 100k to 250k (at least that’s what Google tells me)

These athletes are making 0
 

TheIntruder

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If you trust the site (it came up on google) here's some numbers:

Here's how much each Power 5 conference made last year
This was from a couple of years ago, but its close enough. The amount each conference makes and what each school in the conferences get.

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They're getting crazy amounts of money, I find it hard to believe that anyone in the power five conferences are unable or have trouble balancing the books. I also believe many (most?) have such an active booster program that they generate millions from that as well. I have no concrete proof - just my opinion.

Those figures don't come close to telling the whole story.


The ~$45M each SEC school gets sounds like a lot, but not when they have had expenses ranging from $105M to $195M.

Big Ten? $93M - 225M.

In this year's NCAA hoops tourney, the top conference payout was $34M, to the SEC. I'm not aware of how the SEC in particular handles such proceeds, but for a conference like the late Pac-12, it's split evenly among all the schools. Not gonna get rich off those earnings.

The struggles are real, even for the big schools.

And putting aside the debate over how much a college education is worth, whether and how much athletes should be paid, that doesn't change the fact that those on scholarships don't pay tuition, room or board. I'm not a bean counter, and don't know whether those figures are counted as expenses, but those costs still have to figure into someone's budget, whether it's the athletic department or the larger school as a whole.

Those out-of-conference, often cupcake games that appear on football schedules are revenue generators, first and foremost. There are few reasons that a small state school from a small conference, agrees to play an Alabama, other than money.
 
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maflynn

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Those figures don't come close to telling the whole story.
My point was not how much colleges make, but rather a billion dollar industry is generating that money on the backs of unpaid teenagers/20+ year olds
 

Rafterman

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yup 100%

when you have coached being paid millions and the athletes 0, something is wrong

there needs to be a better model

99 percent of these athletes do not go pro. So their $100,000 free college education is worth a lifetime of good potential jobs.
 

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99 percent of these athletes do not go pro. So their $100,000 free college education is worth a lifetime of good potential jobs.
While you point is valid, $100K worth of education (I find it interesting that the value of said education is set by the very university that profits from their free labor), it does not begin to compensate the school for the amount of revenue they receive from the student athletes' labor.
 

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While you point is valid, $100K worth of education (I find it interesting that the value of said education is set by the very university that profits from their free labor), it does not begin to compensate the school for the amount of revenue they receive from the student athletes' labor.

Nor do the employees of any company get compensated in relation to the amount of revenue they bring in. Athletes are no different. The owners, CEOs and presidents of these compnaies and univeriities make far more, in relation to the workers or athletes.
 

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99 percent of these athletes do not go pro. So their $100,000 free college education is worth a lifetime of good potential jobs.
how does that change the fact that schools are making money on the free labor of their atheletes? Free tuition is not fair compensation and keep in mind, most are not on scholarship.

Why are you taking the side of the NCAA on this vs the student athlete? Only student atheletes can not be fairly compensated for their work in their craft. The NCAA will not have issues with a english major who became a best seller
 

maflynn

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how does that change the fact that schools are making money on the free labor of their atheletes? Free tuition is not fair compensation and keep in mind, most are not on scholarship.
Exactly, even Congress started taking notice and having hearings on this. This is why the NIL thing started, the NCAA was promoting, marketing and cashing in on players.
 
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Sources: NCAA deal with Michigan's Jim Harbaugh rejected

So depending on what article you read on what site, either Jim Harbaugh will play the entire season penalty free, or the hammer could be dropped anytime. If I was a betting man, I'd say he'll play out the 2023 season, and jump ship to the NFL. He's come close a few times and this whole, being suspended for giving a kid a cheeseburger is absolutely incredulous.
 
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99 percent of these athletes do not go pro. So their $100,000 free college education is worth a lifetime of good potential jobs.
"Potential" being the key word. I'd wager a larger sum that most student athletes who get a full ride, or any financial help, don't get within a whiff of a good job.
 

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Well, you have to be financially savvy. Dave Ramsey says "You can't out-earn stupid." This would account for the fact that doctors are not among the top five careers at producing millionaires, but teachers are. (#3) I'm not sure if athletes and entertainers were considered, as they also do not appear in the top five, and nothing after 5 was listed in the article I read.
 

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"Potential" being the key word. I'd wager a larger sum that most student athletes who get a full ride, or any financial help, don't get within a whiff of a good job.

I think "potential" can be used for anyone trying to get a good to great paying job right out of college, athlete or not. Looking at this article, 1.6% of college players make it to the NFL. That is a pretty low percentage. This article is a year old, so I don't know if the numbers have changed, or if they have, I don't think it would be that big of a jump either way.

What percentage of college football players make it to the NFL?

 
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Rafterman

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Well, you have to be financially savvy. Dave Ramsey says "You can't out-earn stupid." This would account for the fact that doctors are not among the top five careers at producing millionaires, but teachers are. (#3) I'm not sure if athletes and entertainers were considered, as they also do not appear in the top five, and nothing after 5 was listed in the article I read.

Sure, if you majored in basket weaving. If you took it seriously though, you should be able to get a job job eventually.
 
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maflynn

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Sure, if you majored in basket weaving. If you took it seriously though, you should be able to get a job job eventually.
The problem is for these kids, is for far too many the education they're receiving is crap. I don't see one particular reason, and of course there's many student athletes that go on to be doctors but if we focus on the football players. They're being lauded, praised and promoted for the physical prowess, to the point where any academic short comings are generally glossed over, and/or swept under the rug. johnny manziel is a great example of enabling someone such a degree that his education is questionable at best, and he doesn't really have the life skills to work in the real world.

Does an offensive lineman want to take quantum mechanics and try to do his homework on the bus, or does he take a "communications" class where a tutor writes the paper for him?
 
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More rumors today of four AAC schools joining Pac-12; Tulane, Rice, SMU, and USF.
Interesting article. In all honesty, I didn't even consider AAC conference which shouldn't be confused with the ACC.

After googling it, I see this one article
11 teams will likely join Pac-12 expansion after the dissolution of AAC in hopes of paying NO exit fees: Reports

The Pac-12 expansion is reaching its closing stages. The conference is finalizing an agreement to absorb the American Athletic Conference, ensuring the safety of the Pac-12 in the college sports landscape after months of chaos.

So in the end the Pac-12 isn't going down with a fight
 
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Interesting article. In all honesty, I didn't even consider AAC conference which shouldn't be confused with the ACC.

After googling it, I see this one article
11 teams will likely join Pac-12 expansion after the dissolution of AAC in hopes of paying NO exit fees: Reports

The Pac-12 expansion is reaching its closing stages. The conference is finalizing an agreement to absorb the American Athletic Conference, ensuring the safety of the Pac-12 in the college sports landscape after months of chaos.

So in the end the Pac-12 isn't going down with a fight
I really liked the Mountain West idea... oh well...
 

maflynn

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I really liked the Mountain West idea... oh well...
I enjoy watching MW games, I generally never liked watching Pac-12 games. I really hope the Mountain West conference goes through this realignment unscathed.
 
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