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2023 Formula 1 Season thread

The-Real-Deal82 said:
Ferrari is in the wrong country but McLaren and Mercedes are on his doorstep .
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It's a long path to the Doorstep after this new contract. Newey is reportedly saying he plans to stay at RBR until he retires. Helmut also made a similar comment last week.

I haven't seen the exact details yet, but allot of speculation on other sites that it's between 5-8years.

A 5yr contract would coincide with the end of Max's current deal.
 
Glideslope said:
It's a long path to the Doorstep after this new contract. Newey is reportedly saying he plans to stay at RBR until he retires. Helmut also made a similar comment last week.

I haven't seen the exact details yet, but allot of speculation on other sites that it's between 5-8years.

A 5yr contract would coincide with the end of Max's current deal.
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I don’t doubt he’ll stay where he is as he’s only a year away from retirement age now at 64. He doesn’t need another challenge at this in his career. There’s a lot of talented people in F1 though and Newey is one of them. James Allison is a good technical director too and has an impressive CV.
 
ovbacon said:
Why?

Teams invest a lot in people and when a team is loyal to specific people those people will also show loyalty to the team. I am a fan of Newey and I think it is great that he is loyal to his team but overall I don't particularly care who is switching to what team.
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duh

So someone else would win?

You realize he hasn't always been with them, right?
 
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Glideslope said:
It's a long path to the Doorstep after this new contract. Newey is reportedly saying he plans to stay at RBR until he retires. Helmut also made a similar comment last week.

I haven't seen the exact details yet, but allot of speculation on other sites that it's between 5-8years.

A 5yr contract would coincide with the end of Max's current deal.
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Is this a bit like the vote of confidence that always happens with football managers just before they’re unceremoniously kicked out the door?
 
pachyderm said:
duh

So someone else would win?

You realize RBR he hasn't always been with them, right?
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Yes I do know that.... have only been following F1 since the late 70s.
But he has been with RBR since 06, which is a long time and so clearly there is some history and obvious loyalty.

And other teams have had no problem winning without Newey.
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
I don’t doubt he’ll stay where he is as he’s only a year away from retirement age now at 64. He doesn’t need another challenge at this in his career. There’s a lot of talented people in F1 though and Newey is one of them. James Allison is a good technical director too and has an impressive CV.
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If I’m not mistaken there are no rules on a mandatory Retirement age for an F1 Aerodynamicist?
 
Zest28 said:
Nico Rosberg has beaten Michael Schumacher every single season when they were both teammates, driving the same car.

That is the only stat that matters.
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Nico, as many other F1 drivers, was a great racer.... but as much as he likes to think of himself as being exceptional for having beaten Schumi and Lewis he has always lacked the drive or killer instinct that drivers like Schumi and Lewis and Max (and others) have. He will always be "just" a one time champion that quit right after he got it.

There are many former F1 drivers that could have also had a 1 time championship if they would have been in the right car or didn't have the team mate they did etc etc etc... Nico now does some moonlighting as an Sky F1 "who know what to call him" commentator and he is full of platitudes and all the **** we fans already know and sometimes know better.

There are a few commentators that I'd prefer to not hear again and he is one of them... I've never been a merc fan but he F***** them over royalty when he "retired" right after winning the trophy.

I guess it is clear that I am no Rosberg fan. The Nico I like is a HULK.
 
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Zest28 said:
Nico Rosberg has beaten Michael Schumacher every single season when they were both teammates, driving the same car.
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Oh, there it is, the equal machinery mantra.
Zest28 said:
That is the only stat that matters.
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Well, the number of championships is the only thing that matters, not some cherrypicked data from an arbitrary set period. Comparing driver to driver, Schumacher was better in each and every aspect of competition throughout the only comparable period which is "when they both raced against each other". End of story.
 
hwojtek said:
Oh, there it is, the equal machinery mantra.

Well, the number of championships is the only thing that matters, not some cherrypicked data from an arbitrary set period. Comparing driver to driver, Schumacher was better in each and every aspect of competition throughout the only comparable period which is "when they both raced against each other". End of story.
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The only thing that matters is when both drivers ride the same car, else the winning is done by the car and not the driver.
 
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Zest28 said:
The only thing that matters is when both drivers ride the same car, else the winning is done by the car and not the driver.
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Only when the car is so much better than the rest and both drivers get equal machinery and team support.
It’s the car plus the driver and most importantly consistency that wins WC.
Also certain rules favour one driving style over another. For example a driver that can make tyres last better does rather well these days. That wasn’t so much the case a few decades ago.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
Only when the car is so much better than the rest and both drivers get equal machinery and team support.
It’s the car plus the driver and most importantly consistency that wins WC.
Also certain rules favour one driving style over another. For example a driver that can make tyres last better does rather well these days. That wasn’t so much the case a few decades ago.
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Absolutely. Michael Schumacher had a very unusual driving style and had a preference to correct the rear of the car through corners whereas most drivers prefer that to be the front. He never quite adapted to the new 2010+ regulations and had been out of the sport for 3 years.

None of that affected his legacy though and when you’ve won multiple world championships, it’s rather difficult to take that away from any driver. There is a reason the likes of Schumacher, Hamilton, Vettel, Verstappen are successful and it’s the way they are as you say ‘consistent’. They dominate their teammates over periods of time in such a way that they win over the support of the team and return the results. Give them a car capable of winning races and championships and they were so just that. A winning package is about driver plus car, not one single element as we all know. That seems to be the secret the social media generation haven’t quite got to grips with yet.
 
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Zest28 said:
The only thing that matters is when both drivers ride the same car, else the winning is done by the car and not the driver.
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xDDDD
No, it's not the car that wins.
Look at Sochi 2021 and Lando winning over Hamilton with an inferior car. Look at 1994 and the difference between Senna and Hill in the same, Newey-designed FW16. And then how Schumacher blew Hill away later that year with a Benetton that had a 100 bhp power deficit.

No, it's not the car.
 
hwojtek said:
xDDDD
No, it's not the car that wins.
Look at Sochi 2021 and Lando winning over Hamilton with an inferior car. Look at 1994 and the difference between Senna and Hill in the same, Newey-designed FW16. And then how Schumacher blew Hill away later that year with a Benetton that had a 100 bhp power deficit.

No, it's not the car.
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In fairness, Hill finished 2nd in the 1994 season opener after Senna was taken out in the opening lap so was ahead on points technically when Ayrton was killed. Completely incomparable I know lol. Benetton were caught using an illegal fuelling system too which had given them the advantage in pitstops for part of that season too. Lets not get into the ex Benetton engineer who claimed launch control existed via a very clever software program that was activated via a gear selection sequence on the parade lap which them deleted itself soon after the start to evade FIA scrutineering. Or the traction control that Senna was convinced he could hear through the corners via the engine tone, something he studied in Brazil and Aida after sitting trackside during both Grand Prix.

That whole season was very suspicious for Benetton and although some doubt Hill's ability, he put that Williams in a position where he very nearly won that championship until a very desperate Schumacher took his chance to damage his car after making a mistake and colliding with a wall. Schumacher did anything but 'blow Hill away' that season.
 
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hwojtek said:
xDDDD
No, it's not the car that wins.
Look at Sochi 2021 and Lando winning over Hamilton with an inferior car. Look at 1994 and the difference between Senna and Hill in the same, Newey-designed FW16. And then how Schumacher blew Hill away later that year with a Benetton that had a 100 bhp power deficit.

No, it's not the car.
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You mean that cheating Benetton that had illegal traction control installed and Michael Schumacher crashing Hill out of the race to win the championship?

Benetton was even cheating with the fuel delivery that year, causing a huge fire ball incident in the pitlane with Jos Verstappen (the father of Max Verstappen).

And yes, it is the car. The Ferrari was not only way faster than any other car, it was also much more reliable too. Driving that Ferrari was like riding a motorcycle in the Tour De France while everybody else is on a bicycle.

The only way to do a fair comparison between Nico Rosberg and Michael Schumacher, is compare them in the same car.
 
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Rather than comparing drivers I’m more interested in this weeks race.
I so hope the Mercedes and Ferrari extensive upgrades make them compete with RBR. But somehow I doubt it.
The DRS advantage that RBR is just too great. Especially when they are already quick without it.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
Rather than comparing drivers I’m more interested in this weeks race.
I so hope the Mercedes and Ferrari extensive upgrades make them compete with RBR. But somehow I doubt it.
The DRS advantage that RBR is just too great. Especially when they are already quick without it.
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I’ll be honest I’m more interested in F1 history now than the current season, as regrettable as that is .

I hope Merc and Ferrari bring some worthwhile upgrades too, along with Aston Martin. Let’s have an Alonso win.

Red Bull are due a minor teammate on-track collision at this point in the season. Let’s have a proper PR melt down as they awkwardly try and publicly manage the situation, like a 2010 level of awkward to spice this season up
 
I like that we're comparing Nico and Michael using the times when Michael was in the actual dream team Ferrari, and Nico was in a Williams. And then whenever someone says equal machinery people try to get some sort of moral high ground by going "there it is".

This thread jumped the shark.
 
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