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2023 Formula 1 Season thread
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I wouldn’t go that far, he doesn’t get it right every season otherwise the last 37 years would have been dominated by only Newey influenced Grand Prix cars.
If we have to believe Horner, the reason Red Bull didn't dominate every single year was because Renault was providing them with bad engines. The chassis created by Newey was fine.
Red Bull was begging for engines from Ferrari and Mercedes back then, but both Ferrari and Mercedes refused for obvious reasons.
But now after Red Bull switched to Honda which is a rocket of an engine by itself, there is not much stopping them now.
I agree their aero package was probably superior to Mercedes at times during the Mercedes dominance, but the engine was lacking.
The last forty years have had their share of one team dominating the sport: McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, AMG Mercedes. Now it is Red Bull Racing's turn.
In all cases, even if the Championships were known before the cars turned their first lap of the season, the fights amongst the other teams for the other positions on the Season Leaderboards still provided plenty of action and interest.
In all cases, even if the Championships were known before the cars turned their first lap of the season, the fights amongst the other teams for the other positions on the Season Leaderboards still provided plenty of action and interest.
I believe very little of what comes out of Horner’s mouth to be honest and know there are some great engineers within F1 besides Adrian Newey. He’s had some amazing successes during his career and he’s also directed his team to produce some temperamental machines and some lemons too during his time. He’s one of the best in history but doesn’t always get it right too.
The championship was not known before the season started when Mclaren and Mercedes dominated, as we had the Senna vs Prost and Lewis vs Nico battle.
The issue is when you have a guy like Michael Schumacher who got the best car by miles who is paired with an average driver like Rubens. And this is the exact same situation that is going on with the Red Bull era.
The Ferrari era was the most boring period of time ever withnessed in F1, followed by this Red Bull era.
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Again... You're aware they won 4 in a row with Vettel? Right?
For the record, I was referring more to we knew that "a driver from this team will win the WDC" more than "this specific driver will win the WDC".
Like Nico was ever a serious contender against Lewis. He only won in 2016 because Lewis had a really off year and Nico knew it, which is why he immediately retired as he knew he could not successfully defend.
Fair enough. So they're coming back for Round Two.
Like Nico was ever a serious contender against Lewis. He only won in 2016 because Lewis had a really off year and Nico knew it, which is why he immediately retired as he knew he could not successfully defend.
Fair enough. So they're coming back for Round Two.
He would have won in 2014 had the last race in Abu Dhabi gone differently. 2015 was really the only year they raced together where Lewis ran away from Nico in the standings. Saying that Nico wasn’t a serious contender is really downplaying him.
Nico could have won the last race in 2014 and would have been at the very least 15 points off Lewis and that would have been if Lewis hadn’t finished the race. Nico was consistent that year being second best driver with his 5 wins to Lewis’ 11 but it was clear who the dominant driver was during their time together. Even in 2016 Lewis won more races and only finished 5 points behind Nico despite finishing less races and dropping positions due to unreliability. Nico knew he had achieved something he would probably never do again and I admire him for admitting that when he walked away.
People forget that Nico Rosberg destroyed Michael Schumacher and send him back into retirement.
Nico Rosberg has more credits to his name as a legit top-tier driver than 99.999% of the F1 drivers (having beaten both Michael Schumacher and Lewis Hamilton).
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You’re mistaken. The last race gave double points in 2014. Going into Abu Dhabi Lewis was ahead by only 17 points. Nico’s engine failed during the race and he finished outside of the points while Lewis won, bagging him 50 points. Nico would have been WDC had he won the race and Lewis finished third or lower since 20 points separated first and third in that race. So, basically if Lewis had the engine problem instead of Nico, then we would’ve had a different champion. That’s essentially what happened in 2016 with Lewis’s engine failure in Malaysia, so in a way things evened out in the end.
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To be fair, Alonso did the same - which is why Ferrari (effectively) sacked Schumacher and replaced him with Alonso.
Mercedes brought Schumacher back as a marketing stunt, IMO, to generate buzz. It was clear he'd lost the fire and the magic and, again IMO, had no business being in that car.
Rosberg was a solid driver and it was not my intention to imply he was anything less. But he was not on the same level as Lewis and even in identical hardware in the same team, he never matched Lewis' overall level of performance. But to be fair, one can say the same about a number of driver pairings within the same team over the history of Formula One.
Ferrari pushed Michael out by hiring Kimi for 2007 but I think the plan was Massa was going to be test driver. Michael didn’t fancy competing against Kimi and Ferrari were paying massive money to the Fin to join which meant Michael would be losing his preferential treatment. He then decided to retire.
Absolutely, Nico is one of the toughest teammates Lewis has had but not at his level consistently. There were times at Mercedes where Nico was making mistakes on track with Lewis breathing down his neck (Monza, Spain and Austria 2016) where he either missed his braking points or crashed into Lewis whilst trying to defend. Nico has even admitted he spent much of his career trying to beat Lewis and the year he finished ahead, he was done. Valteri and Heikki have both admitted Lewis can be beaten on occasion, but he’s so consistently fast, he’s earned his place as one of the greats.
Even I, as a non-Lewis fan*, am amazed at how often we/you/us have to defend how good he is. If 7 titles doesn't** say anything what else will...?
Seems to be a very decent chap of the grid as well.
*I don't dislike him, I dislike one guy winning all the time. But what can ya do? I was happy for him when he won his first title, that was cool.
Well done Lewie!
**oops edited for grammar
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I think it’s probably down to this football terrace style mentality we’ve seen become prominent over the past few years and this grew out of a few things. His statements about World issues, him moving to Switzerland, the clothes he models and the fact he was successful for such a long period of time. I think Lewis once he retires will be looked back upon and viewed very differently and as more stories come out, those new to F1 now will learn just how good he was.
My Dad hated Ayrton Senna because he was up against Mansell. He thought he was a crybaby, overrated and a cheat. His opinion changed after his death because more stories, and experiences came to light that hadn’t previously been in the public domain. It’s all about perception and sadly right now, Lewis is successful because people think he just drove the best racing cars all his career. Nobody realises Lewis was matching a two time WDC is only his second time driving an F1 car or takes any notice of how highly other F1 drivers rate him and who have raced against him. It’ll all be appreciated one day
Lewis was a great driver, and would have been appreciated and remembered really well for all he accomplished if he stopped two seasons ago. He is continuing too long beyond his peak in my opinion and that will damage his legacy, I know it won't change the facts regarding how many world championships he did once win, but he is damaging that perception, even his last season he had his last chance at another world championship was controversial for the wrong reasons for him.
I think Newey is totally the GOAT.... doesn't mean that your car has to win every season. The man is unbelievably good at what he does.
I wasn’t disputing that though. He’s the most successful F1 designer in history.
With a new extension for his commitment to RBR.…………. 😏
.There have been many rumours of teams trying to steal staff from Red Bull Racing. But a) they have a very good open and inclusive culture, b) you don’t leave a winning team.
