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2023 Formula 1 Season thread

The-Real-Deal82 said:
It is difficult to know how drivers of yesteryear would cope with todays cars as drivers are athletes today and in the 60’s and 70’s there was little focus on fitness. Cars were a lot harder to drive in those eras compared to now in the physical sense but there is a lot more settings to consider now and the driver is more involved. G-forces are higher now and drivers have a safety cushion where the chances of them dying is a lot slimmer in much safer cars too. So in summary we go back to a point I made earlier and that is, it’s an impossible comparison to make.

I think drivers of the past will always attract more respect due to the dangers and the fact racing was more pure. The Isle of Man TT and road racing scene is the last purest form of motor racing on earth where the rider is in complete control of their destiny. The FIA have nothing to do with it and would never allow such events under their governance. F1 is an entertainment show now and a commercial enterprise built on its roots in the past. All good, we enjoy it for what it is.
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I’ll second The Isle of Man TT. Absolutely one of the most intense forms of Control. I love it. Brings back all the memories of when I rode. Riding a motorcycle and flying a single seat aircraft (preferably a Tail Dragger) are very much the same in being “One with the machine.”

When I was flying Jets before I lost my medical going up in my friends Cessna-170 would always reconnect me.

Sorry for the off topic, but seeing Isle of Man TT triggered emotions.
 
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Glideslope said:
I’ll second The Isle of Man TT. Absolutely one of the most intense forms of Control. I love it. Brings back all the memories of when I rode. Riding a motorcycle and flying a single seat aircraft (preferably a Tail Dragger) are very much the same in being “One with the machine.”

When I was flying Jets before I lost my medical going up in my friends Cessna-170 would always reconnect me.

Sorry for the off topic, but seeing Isle of Man TT triggered emotions.
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I’m more passionate about road racing than I am about F1, it’s an awesome spectacle and one that can be heartbreaking but hugely satisfying. Just glad it’s still allowed to happen. F1 could learn a lot from it and how over commercialised sports lose their links with what made them great in the first place.
 
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CWallace said:
I would not at all be surprised if the most-fit drivers today are in better physical shape than the most-fit drivers of the 1950s and 1960s were. The cars today do have "driver aids" that the "first gen" cars did not, but they corner and accelerate and brake so much harder now that the physical forces imposed on the drivers is much more intense than "back in the day" when it was all just mechanical grip that determined the car's physical loads.
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I agree. But I could see drivers from back in the day being stronger in some areas while the modern drivers are certainly fitter overall with a focus on endurance. F1 drivers going to Indycar often mention the strength needed to cope with the lack of power steering.
 
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headlessmike said:
I don't see the point in saying that one driver is better than the rest. There are several outstanding drivers on the grid who all could win a WDC in dominant style in the right car. Max is the in the fastest car and is performing better than his team mate. That's about all we can be certain about right now.
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And is world champion! Pretty good indication someone is the best ;)
 
cyb3rdud3 said:
And is world champion! Pretty good indication someone is the best ;)
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It will be interesting to see Qualifying and the Race. Based on the Low and High fuel runs in P3 I'd say the Drivers of the RB19 will make the difference the remaining races. Not the car. Horner said yesterday they are done with the RB19 for the remainder. They have been 100% into the RB20 for quite a while.
 
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Norris out in Q1 after a first run on Mediums that put him 19th and then when he went out on Softs, he stuffed the lap and then was caught up in traffic. Daniel was quick, slotting behind VER for second.

VER, RUS and ALO all being investigated for impeding - VER and RUS blocked Pit Exit and ALO was slow to recover after he spun in Sector 1 and blocked a shedload of cars on their run. RUS and NOR also under investigation for driving too slow (Delta time) and HAM and a shedload of drivers being looked at for not slowing sufficiently during Alonso's yellow.

So I expect some post-Qualifying position shuffling once the stewards have a chance to weigh in...
 
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Alonso out in Q2. Hamilton 1st followed by VER, RUS, RIC and PIA.

Daniel looking legit quick with P2 again and both Alfas making it to Q3.
 
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CWallace said:
Yes it was.

Now if Max can get hit with some grid penalties for impeding qualifying we might actually have a shot at a race tomorrow.
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Well, would need to be reciprocal for George as well. My bet is hearty monetary fines with increasing penalties going forward if drivers keep it up. Of course the outcome will be the Stewards now having to watch cars drive 5 KM/H until the 2nd Safety Car Line. ;)
 
Stewards decided no infringement penalties were justified as they would rather have cars stopped in pit lane to build gaps than circulating slowly on track with faster cars blasting past them.

Lewis was also cleared of a Yellow Flag infringement, though Sargeant was not and penalized 10 grid places (though he was already starting last, anyway),
 
CWallace said:
Stewards decided no infringement penalties were justified as they would rather have cars stopped in pit lane to build gaps than circulating slowly on track with faster cars blasting past them.

Lewis was also cleared of a Yellow Flag infringement, though Sargeant was not and penalized 10 grid places (though he was already starting last, anyway),
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I can see they’re rational for this. Wasn’t what I expected for sure. Probably allot of nervous engineers during HOT races watching temps coming up fast in a stationary car………….🧐
 
CRAZY QUALIFYING RESULTS! Explain yourself Lando...

116Charles LeclercFERRARI1:18.4011:17.9011:17.16617
255Carlos SainzFERRARI1:18.7551:18.3821:17.23317
31Max VerstappenRED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT1:18.0991:17.6251:17.26315
43Daniel RicciardoALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT1:18.3411:17.7061:17.38215
511Sergio PerezRED BULL RACING HONDA RBPT1:18.5531:18.1241:17.42316
644Lewis HamiltonMERCEDES1:18.6771:17.5711:17.45418
781Oscar PiastriMCLAREN MERCEDES1:18.2411:17.8741:17.62318
863George RussellMERCEDES1:18.8931:17.6731:17.67419
977Valtteri BottasALFA ROMEO FERRARI1:18.4291:18.0161:18.03217
1024Zhou GuanyuALFA ROMEO FERRARI1:19.0161:18.4401:18.05015
1110Pierre GaslyALPINE RENAULT1:18.9451:18.52115
1227Nico HulkenbergHAAS FERRARI1:18.9691:18.52412
1314Fernando AlonsoASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES1:18.8481:18.73814
1423Alexander AlbonWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:18.8281:19.14712
1522Yuki TsunodaALPHATAURI HONDA RBPT1:18.890DNF11
1631Esteban OconALPINE RENAULT1:19.0806
1720Kevin MagnussenHAAS FERRARI1:19.1639
1818Lance StrollASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES1:19.2279
194Lando NorrisMCLAREN MERCEDES1:21.5546
NC2Logan SargeantWILLIAMS MERCEDESDNF6
 
Glideslope said:
Yup, I’ll bet Hunt, K. Rosberg and Lauda were far fitter than Lewis, Lando, Max, or Charles as they smoked over a pack a day the majority of their active periods.

Sorry, but to say today’s drivers are not physically conditioned due to the technological state of a 2023 car is a hollow argument. Especially when one adds the cognitive requirements literally changing the car in each corner through steering wheel adjustments.

Your back to comparing Apples to Oranges again…..
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I'm glad someone said it so I don't have to...
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
Max in the lead by lap 5 or 6?
Shame Red Bull can’t manufacture it so Checo gets a home win before he leaves at the end of the season, he’s been a good servant to the team.
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You mean turn 5 or 6 right? I expect he’ll have it sorted by lap two unfortunately.

Still good to see a couple of different cars up front. Even if it’s not for long.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
Still good to see a couple of different cars up front. Even if it’s not for long.
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If you remove Max from the equation, then it's been a pretty good second half of the season really. There's been 10 different 2/3rd place podiumers this season, not including Max. In many past seasons, it's been a lot less than that.
 
pachyderm said:
CRAZY QUALIFYING RESULTS! Explain yourself Lando...
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McLaren sent him out on his first hot lap on Mediums, which were useless in the heat. Unfortunately, Softs only lasted one hot lap before losing too much performance and he stuffed his hot lap on those and while he had time for a second hot lap, between traffic and tire deg, he could not improve.
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
Max in the lead by lap 5 or 6?
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I would normally say yes, but it took him half the race to do so at COTA and the temps in Mexico mean tire deg is absolutely brutal on the Softs and the high altitude really hurts the aero and engine performance. So while I have no doubt he will take the lead if he keeps his nose clean, it could be awhile.
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
Max in the lead by lap 5 or 6?
Shame Red Bull can’t manufacture it so Checo gets a home win before he leaves at the end of the season, he’s been a good servant to the team.
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I agree with the premise 1,000%. I just think it would be too difficult. Firstly Checo won’t have pace for P1 against anyone. The RB19 currently is a car built as an extension of Max.

Just like Mercedes is trying to make the W14 feel better for Lewis.

More importantly if he could run P2 and Max was P1 I don’t see Max following Team Orders and letting him past. Max’s “Team Player” includes everyone except Car 2.

Let‘s say Max does have a “Come to Jesus” moment and would let Checo by. I’m not certain how that would play out. Would Checo want the win that way? I don’t think he would. The fans wouldn’t care, and it would be a huge event for Mexico, it would just always have that lingering odor attached to it.

Just MO.
 
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CWallace said:
I would normally say yes, but it took him half the race to do so at COTA and the temps in Mexico mean tire deg is absolutely brutal on the Softs and the high altitude really hurts the aero and engine performance. So while I have no doubt he will take the lead if he keeps his nose clean, it could be awhile.
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Spot on. It’s going to be up to Max today. It has the chance of being an exciting race. Unfortunately I’ll only be checking in on my phone as my wife has enlisted my support in attending a function from 4p-8p. It’s the least I can do after 45 years of marriage. 😉
 
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