2024 Formula 1 Season thread

[diego.caraballo]

Max is really a piece of **** driver. Always yeeting and doing Kamikeze divebombing into people with not even intending to make the corner and going off track himself.

Look even at Hungary. Max didn’t bother braking on time, went straight into Lewis his car with 0% intent of making the corner, and the person who gets blamed, is Lewis. Can’t make this **** up.

This Max guy is blessed by the FIA, which isn’t a surprise based on what we have seen from 2021.

Ohhh of course, Lando is the cleanest one and also Hamilton...what 2 examples of drivers you just provided.

Lando forcing Max to the grass in Spain:

TikTok · Lisa Zaraðï¸

18.7K likes, 154 comments. âdont push him into the grass next timeâ

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Texas:
Lando cross-country all the way and then complaining about Max no letting enough room to turn:

 

[Glideslope]

My point is it’s a discussion thread about F1.
I’m not angry about it. It’s just what we’ve come to expect from Max.

I understand.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

My point is it’s a discussion thread about F1.
I’m not angry about it. It’s just what we’ve come to expect from Max.

You make it sound like he's done something wrong, which he clearly and evidently did not do. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Glideslope]

You make it sound like he's done something wrong, which he clearly and evidently did not do. 🤷‍♂️

I admire your effort. It's a tough sell to you're brethren on that side of the pond.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I admire your effort. It's a tough sell to you're brethren on that side of the pond.

Ah well, I've lived there for 26 years. Learned a thing or two. Always a lot of resistance, eventually they'll come around. This particular situation is a weird one considering the rules are pretty clear and unambiguous. And even Sky, even Sky, isn't having a go at Red Bull nor Max for this one.

Heck, even Ted admitted that with the bib situation, there was nothing to see. Sure he did it in a Ted style with like 20 minutes moaning about how illegal this is, and how wrong it is, but then in 2 seconds mentioned that Red Bull didn't do anything like that and this is a non-issue. Still doesn't stop most Brits from ignoring all the facts and continuing their crusade.

Ah well, it is a choice. I don't get why some get so partisan and bogged down with their support they forget objectivity and the rules of the game.

 

[CWallace]

It is said F1 has 20 of the best drivers in the world, not sure if 20 would be correct, hard to say who is best, having a hard time with finding 20 good drivers, every week it changes, the rules change, the stewards not sure if they know the rules they apply, or if there is some sort of class system, some drivers seem to have an aura of being protected or the laws seem to be applied in a less than fair way, it is what you are seen to be doing that is important, and not applying the rules uniformly or the mere suspicion of protection of a certain driver over another, that should be of concern.. I get the impression F1 is not really concerned about one driver having advantage over another in terms of having protection from sanction..

The core issue, IMO, is that F1 rotates the race stewards at every event which leads to a lack of consistency as each stewarding team interprets the rules in their own way.

It really is incredulous to me that the top tier of motorsport handles it's officiating this way. Doubly so when we constantly see debates within and without the sport on any given event weekend about how the officiating was handled.

The FIA really needs to create a dedicated team of stewards who travel to each race instead of the current process of three being chosen from a pool by the FIA and a fourth from the local sporting authority. As is currently the case, one of the stewards should be a former driver (preferably with F1 or WEC experience).

 

[headlessmike]

Lol to a lot of the above. I will say this: Lando was incredibly timid IMHO and Max knew what he was doing, whether he was within the rules or not, he knew could pull that nonsense and get away with it i.e. plausible deniability.

As of October 8th I believe there were 7 drivers still in the title hunt. I'm not sure if anyone has been eliminnated as of yesterday. I'd imagine so.
It doesn't matter anyway because the title, even if it is mathematically possible, is pretty much wrapped up. Lando will need at least 6 other drivers to simply let him go by each race that is left. Not bloody likely.

I believe that both Mercedes drivers are mathematically out of the title race for this year after CoTA, leaving five drivers with a theoretical chance. As a team Mercedes is still in the race for the WCC though thanks to Perez. Red Bull impressively has the first and last (8th) positions amongst the top four teams in the WDC standings.

 

[Glideslope]

The core issue, IMO, is that F1 rotates the race stewards at every event which leads to a lack of consistency as each stewarding team interprets the rules in their own way.

It really is incredulous to me that the top tier of motorsport handles it's officiating this way. Doubly so when we constantly see debates within and without the sport on any given event weekend about how the officiating was handled.

The FIA really needs to create a dedicated team of stewards who travel to each race instead of the current process of three being chosen from a pool by the FIA and a fourth from the local sporting authority. As is currently the case, one of the stewards should be a former driver (preferably with F1 or WEC experience).

Absolutely. How many decades have there been calls to pay a full time salary to a group of individuals to steward each race? F1 simply can't give up the expenditure or control.

 

[CWallace]

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

My point is it’s a discussion thread about F1.
I’m not angry about it. It’s just what we’ve come to expect from Max.

Exactly, we can all have our views on F1 and there is not a single person on this thread that isn’t biased. I ignore a couple of people on this thread, and long term too and if anybody doesn’t like what I say, I can only advise they do the same. Discussions are much better when you are only reading the relevant stuff.

Drivers just need to stop yielding and it will force a change of the rules. If we continue to have years of Max driving other wide, it’ll continue to be accepted. A couple more Silverstones and maybe a lesson will be learned.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The core issue, IMO, is that F1 rotates the race stewards at every event which leads to a lack of consistency as each stewarding team interprets the rules in their own way.

It really is incredulous to me that the top tier of motorsport handles it's officiating this way. Doubly so when we constantly see debates within and without the sport on any given event weekend about how the officiating was handled.

The FIA really needs to create a dedicated team of stewards who travel to each race instead of the current process of three being chosen from a pool by the FIA and a fourth from the local sporting authority. As is currently the case, one of the stewards should be a former driver (preferably with F1 or WEC experience).

Stewards are rotated though because when they were the same set of stewards like we had up until 2008, corruption was exposed and personal vendettas from within the FIA were being played out through stewarding decisions. Even when you have a team of dedicated stewards, it doesn’t mean it brings consistency as it never used to and was perhaps worse. Do you guys not remember this?

 

[Glideslope]

I read this earlier. Very well done as always from TheRace. 👍🏼

 

[CWallace]

Stewards are rotated though because when they were the same set of stewards like we had up until 2008, corruption was exposed and personal vendettas from within the FIA were being played out through stewarding decisions. Even when you have a team of dedicated stewards, it doesn’t mean it brings consistency as it never used to and was perhaps worse. Do you guys not remember this?

Well I get expecting the FIA to not be corrupt is going to be about as successful as expecting the same of FIFA or the IOC, so I guess we're just stuck with what we have and need to get used to half the people praising each decision and the other half bleating about how unfair it all is.

 

[Glideslope]

Stewards are rotated though because when they were the same set of stewards like we had up until 2008, corruption was exposed and personal vendettas from within the FIA were being played out through stewarding decisions. Even when you have a team of dedicated stewards, it doesn’t mean it brings consistency as it never used to and was perhaps worse. Do you guys not remember this?

Well, why not make another attempt? With the proper oversight corruption can be vetted.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Well I get asking the FIA to not be corrupt is going to be about as successful as asking the same of FIFA or the IOC, so I guess we're just stuck with what we have and need to get used to half the people praising each decision and the other half bleating about how unfair it all is.

That’s racing, when has a stewards decision ever been popular with every fan? This is a sport after all where an incorrect decision decided an entire championship just a few years ago and they quite often get it completely wrong. We just have to hope they get it wrong when it benefits other drivers and then it becomes at least acceptable. As long as the car being overtaken is alongside and on the inside, it’s fine to push the overtaking car off the circuit and I hope we now see more of this but with contact.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Well, why not make another attempt? With the proper oversight corruption can be vetted.

They’d need to be completely separate to the FIA and have no financial incentive. F1 should have broken away from the FIA back in 2009 and the worst thing it even did was negotiate with them.

 

[Zest28]

Perhaps read up on the rules as at the moment there is no truth in that. You may enjoy F1 a bit more.

This is from the FIA F1 driving standards guidelines.

“In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the
overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and
the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to
clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among
the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the
stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tires are alongside the other car by no later than
the apex of the corner.”

Just because the Stewards don’t apply or even change rules when it comes to Max, doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

 

[BenTrovato]

This is from the FIA F1 driving standards guidelines.

“In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the
overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and
the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to
clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among
the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the
stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tires are alongside the other car by no later than
the apex of the corner.”

Just because the Stewards don’t apply or even change rules when it comes to Max, doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

Agreed. I still like Max and sometimes I get behind him when he's at fault but the incidents in Austin don't really make sense starting from lap 1 turn 1. I'm sure a lot of people have moved on but after we all witnessed Abu Dhabi 2021 I don't know how anyone watches that and then sits here and argues "rules". They do what they want when they want, I don't understand how that isn't clear to everyone.

 

[Glideslope]

They’d need to be completely separate to the FIA and have no financial incentive. F1 should have broken away from the FIA back in 2009 and the worst thing it even did was negotiate with them.

That's fair.

 

[Glideslope]

Agreed. I still like Max and sometimes I get behind him when he's at fault but the incidents in Austin don't really make sense starting from lap 1 turn 1. I'm sure a lot of people have moved on but after we all witnessed Abu Dhabi 2021 I don't know how anyone watches that and then sits here and argues "rules". They do what they want when they want, I don't understand how that isn't clear to everyone.

That's fair.

Let's just be honest and acknowledge that they all do it. I grow tired of the image of Max out there alone. You are correct that they all do it.

 

[Glideslope]

Excellent analysis….

Norris must smarten up - or Verstappen will keep embarrassing him

Austria and now COTA have shown Lando Norris is being pushed around by Max Verstappen - and simply doesn't have an answer yet to his rival's ruthless ingenuity

www.the-race.com

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Excellent analysis….

Norris must smarten up - or Verstappen will keep embarrassing him

Austria and now COTA have shown Lando Norris is being pushed around by Max Verstappen - and simply doesn't have an answer yet to his rival's ruthless ingenuity

www.the-race.com

Lando has too much respect for Max as they are friendly away from the grid and he needs to start racing harder. He could learn a lot from the Rosberg/Hamilton situation as I don’t think you can be serious competitors and friends. Max is aggressive on track and ‘always right’ in his own opinion and Lando needs to to start playing him at his own game. I’d rather see Lando lose the championship forcing a few necessary hard shunts with Max than rolling over and getting pushed off the circuit while conceding. Its weak IMO.

We will have fireworks too once again as Max’s fans won’t like it and neither will Red Bull, but it needs to happen as Lando is good enough.

 

[Glideslope]

Lando has too much respect for Max as they are friendly away from the grid and he needs to start racing harder. He could learn a lot from the Rosberg/Hamilton situation as I don’t think you can be serious competitors and friends. Max is aggressive on track and ‘always right’ in his own opinion and Lando needs to to start playing him at his own game. I’d rather see Lando lose the championship forcing a few necessary hard shunts with Max than rolling over and getting pushed off the circuit while conceding. Its weak IMO.

We will have fireworks too once again as Max’s fans won’t like it and neither will Red Bull, but it needs to happen as Lando is good enough.

Valid points. Up until COTA I wasn't certain the friendship would be restraining for Lando considering they have already had significant contact. He clearly was timid from the start. I don't see Zak promoting any shunts. I'm still of the opinion Zak is all about the WCC and really doesn't have much consideration for the WDC. There is no money for him with the WDC.

Anyway, they both need to keep an eye on a surging Charles as well. Ferrari has allot of momentum currently. A DNF by them with a Charles win in Mexico is not unrealistic.

 

[JustMarco]

Lando has too much respect for Max as they are friendly away from the grid and he needs to start racing harder. He could learn a lot from the Rosberg/Hamilton situation as I don’t think you can be serious competitors and friends. Max is aggressive on track and ‘always right’ in his own opinion and Lando needs to to start playing him at his own game. I’d rather see Lando lose the championship forcing a few necessary hard shunts with Max than rolling over and getting pushed off the circuit while conceding. Its weak IMO.

We will have fireworks too once again as Max’s fans won’t like it and neither will Red Bull, but it needs to happen as Lando is good enough.

Lando has won 3 races in 123 gp's, many current drivers where able to win a GP even driving an inferior car. With an obvious faster/better car (seen in how fast he drove away from the red bull after passing) he wasn't able to make a good pass.. I do like Norris, he is one of the better drivers in the field, but he will never reach the levels of Ham, Alo or Ver.

 

[pachyderm]

Lando has won 3 races in 123 gp's, many current drivers were able to win a GP even driving an inferior car. With an obvious faster/better car (seen in how fast he drove away from the red bull after passing) he wasn't able to make a good pass... I do like Norris, he is one of the better drivers in the field, but he will never reach the levels of Ham, Alo or Ver.

I do believe I feel the same.

And based on what we are seeing this season, he's going to need an incredibly dominant car to win a title.