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2024 Formula 1 Season thread

Yes, the stewards were pretty consistent in their rulings that if you are the following car and you are pushed off and yet make the pass, you will be penalized if you do not give it back. So Lando and McLaren should have expected the penalty. That being said, Lando pulled out 4.1 seconds by the checkered flag, so I understand why they went for it and hoped they could get more than 5 seconds on Max at the flag.
 
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CWallace said:
Lewis clearly still has it in him to win and I expect the 2025 Ferrari to be a better car than the 2025 AMG, but Carlos has the experience with the car and the team that Lewis had to build.
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I was happy he won at Silverstone.
But his trajectory the last 3 years, especially compared to Russell, has been downward.

Is Lewis going to be interested in being Charles' wingman?
And at the price Ferrari are paying him?
What is an "Ambassador for his portfolio"?

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Lewis Hamilton reportedly was lured to Ferrari by a deal worth a staggering $446million which stretches far beyond Formula 1 driving duties.
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"The terms agreed to by Hamilton reportedly includes a pay packet just north of $87m for 2025, with the option to extend for 2026, a quarter of that going into funding Mission 44, while Elkann has offered to create a joint-investment fund via Ferrari’s parent brand Exor, worth over $272m, where Hamilton would serve as the ambassador for his portfolio."
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
Well done to Charles.

The FIA in Max’s corner again, they gave the wrong driver the penalty today. Lando needs to stop avoiding collisions and let Max run into him, it’s the only way that message is going to get across.
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Lando needs to grow a pair. Until he can do that other drivers will continue to move him. His start was like watching paint dry. Watching him trying to pass Max was like watching someone waiting for permission.

Max did nothing wrong. The Stewards Report is very clear. This was not the same as Oscar in the Sprint.

Lando doesn’t have the Killer Instinct. It’s that simple. Even his ultimate fan Will Buxton was on him.

Max makes you earn it. Lando needs to earn it.
 
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Well done Ferrari. A great 1-2 for the team.
Max played a blinder. He knew exactly what he was doing. Backs of the brakes and runs his title rival (and himself) off the road. A bit of grass or gravel on the bend and it wouldn’t happen (just like I said earlier).
But with the massive track run off area you allow Max the opportunity to play dirty (which he is very good at).

Anyway it’s just gone 2am. Highlights very late. Time for bed!
 
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Apple fanboy said:
Well done Ferrari. A great 1-2 for the team.
Max played a blinder. He knew exactly what he was doing. Backs of the brakes and runs his title rival (and himself) off the road. A bit of grass or gravel on the bend and it wouldn’t happen (just like I said earlier).
But with the massive track run off area you allow Max the opportunity to play dirty (which he is very good at).

Anyway it’s just gone 2am. Highlights very late. Time for bed!
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Your point is what? The FIA doesn’t look at backing off into the apex unless you’re doing it excessively. Generally more than 3 in a race. They looked at the data. Max was within the rules.

The Flag Waiving in here smells like a spoiled bowl of Cheeky Pudding. 😉
 
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What team does Lando support? The Donkey team from Italy, left the door so wide open, cost him the 24 WDC.. Oh I stopped watching before the flag waving, that dunce from Apple put me off..
 
Glideslope said:
Lando needs to grow a pair. Until he can do that other drivers will continue to move him. His start was like watching paint dry. Watching him trying to pass Max was like watching someone waiting for permission.

Max did nothing wrong. The Stewards Report is very clear. This was not the same as Oscar in the Sprint.

Lando doesn’t have the Killer Instinct. It’s that simple. Even his ultimate fan Will Buxton was on him.

Max makes you earn it. Lando needs to earn it.
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I agree Lando is too soft and needs to stand up for himself. He shouldn’t yield and just let Max run into him. Max plays dirty in these situations and relies on a driver leaving the track to avoid his moves whilst pretending he’s missed his braking point as a legitimate mistake and the stewards seem to believe this. He does this under pressure and has fine for years. Lando needs to hold his own and keep his foot in but it’s too late this season, Max is making sure he wins this one by any means necessary.
 
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Glideslope said:
Your point is what? The FIA doesn’t look at backing off into the apex unless you’re doing it excessively. Generally more than 3 in a race. They looked at the data. Max was within the rules.

The Flag Waiving in here smells like a spoiled bowl of Cheeky Pudding. 😉
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It was a deliberate tactic by Max. Look how he avoided talking about it post race when Jenson asked him about it.

Max employs every race tactic he can to win. He’s always been that sort of driver.
 
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The-Real-Deal82 said:
I agree Lando is too soft and needs to stand up for himself. He shouldn’t yield and just let Max run into him. Max plays dirty in these situations and relies on a driver leaving the track to avoid his moves whilst pretending he’s missed his braking point as a legitimate mistake and the stewards seem to believe this. He does this under pressure and has fine for years. Lando needs to hold his own and keep his foot in but it’s too late this season, Max is making sure he wins this one by any means necessary.
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Why is knowing the rules, driving by the rules, considered playing dirty? Surely, he is doing the right thing, I don't see that as dirty. His driving and defending will go into the textbooks on how to do it in a slower car. It was a masterclass, not some dirty game where he got away with something he shouldn't have done.
 
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Max is really a piece of **** driver. Always yeeting and doing Kamikeze divebombing into people with not even intending to make the corner and going off track himself.

Look even at Hungary. Max didn’t bother braking on time, went straight into Lewis his car with 0% intent of making the corner, and the person who gets blamed, is Lewis. Can’t make this **** up.

This Max guy is blessed by the FIA, which isn’t a surprise based on what we have seen from 2021.
 
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For the drama, the comedy, the fights, the skinner as we say here, the scandal.. The commentary about this or that dunce, or who should have done what.. Monday mornings is the best time to discuss Sunday Sins of MotorSport..
 
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Zest28 said:
Max is really a piece of **** driver. Always yeeting and doing Kamikeze divebombing into people with not even intending to make the corner and going off track himself.

Look even at Hungary. Max didn’t bother braking on time, went straight into Lewis his car with 0% intent of making the corner, and the person who gets blamed, is Lewis. Can’t make this **** up.

This Max guy is blessed by the FIA, which isn’t a surprise based on what we have seen from 2021.
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Perhaps read up on the rules as at the moment there is no truth in that. You may enjoy F1 a bit more.
 
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Lol to a lot of the above. I will say this: Lando was incredibly timid IMHO and Max knew what he was doing, whether he was within the rules or not, he knew could pull that nonsense and get away with it i.e. plausible deniability.

As of October 8th I believe there were 7 drivers still in the title hunt. I'm not sure if anyone has been eliminnated as of yesterday. I'd imagine so.
It doesn't matter anyway because the title, even if it is mathematically possible, is pretty much wrapped up. Lando will need at least 6 other drivers to simply let him go by each race that is left. Not bloody likely.
 
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It is said F1 has 20 of the best drivers in the world, not sure if 20 would be correct, hard to say who is best, having a hard time with finding 20 good drivers, every week it changes, the rules change, the stewards not sure if they know the rules they apply, or if there is some sort of class system, some drivers seem to have an aura of being protected or the laws seem to be applied in a less than fair way, it is what you are seen to be doing that is important, and not applying the rules uniformly or the mere suspicion of protection of a certain driver over another, that should be of concern.. I get the impression F1 is not really concerned about one driver having advantage over another in terms of having protection from sanction..
 
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Mister Do It said:
Max is not unfair. He is simply clever. He knew that if he made this maneuver, Lando would gratefully accept the invitation and overtake him off the track. So again, Max is not unfair and Lando still has a lot to learn....
If you want to be world champion, you can't be a nice guy.
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It isn't even about being nice or not; to be a world champion or winner in general, you got to know the rules. That is where it begins and what is common across industries and sports. A good team, and people you can trust, are important as well. To me, Lando came across like he doubted what he did was right and questioned whether he should have given the place back. His team ill-advised him, perhaps took a gamble, but then they weren't transparent to him about this. They will have some figuring out to-do as a team, as a series of events have happened this year that could have cost him the championship.
 
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cyb3rdud3 said:
Why is knowing the rules, driving by the rules, considered playing dirty? Surely, he is doing the right thing, I don't see that as dirty. His driving and defending will go into the textbooks on how to do it in a slower car. It was a masterclass, not some dirty game where he got away with something he shouldn't have done.
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It's not worth it in here. The bias in here is extremely heavy now that Max is resurgent and RB are on top of the RB20 again. The anger needs to be directed at the governing bodies and the mess they have created trying to make ever rule black and white as the teams constantly demand.


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Max is really a piece of **** driver. Always yeeting and doing Kamikeze divebombing into people with not even intending to make the corner and going off track himself.

Look even at Hungary. Max didn’t bother braking on time, went straight into Lewis his car with 0% intent of making the corner, and the person who gets blamed, is Lewis. Can’t make this **** up.

This Max guy is blessed by the FIA, which isn’t a surprise based on what we have seen from 2021.
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That was well thought out.


Apple fanboy said:
It was a deliberate tactic by Max. Look how he avoided talking about it post race when Jenson asked him about it.

Max employs every race tactic he can to win. He’s always been that sort of driver.
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And you point is? Take it up with the FIA.


Mister Do It said:
Max is not unfair. He is simply clever. He knew that if he made this maneuver, Lando would gratefully accept the invitation and overtake him off the track. So again, Max is not unfair and Lando still has a lot to learn....
If you want to be world champion, you can't be a nice guy.
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Correct, but it's not about being a "Nice Guy." Max is an ultra competitive athlete. He will use every tool in his bag that he is allowed. If people don't like the message, talk to the FIA, talk to the teams who put the FIA in the position of wanting every single racing call to be black and white. It's not realistic. Others employee the same. Max draws the attention due to the WDC battle and that he has been on top for years. People grow tired and want change, so they resort to attacks.
 
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Yes, exactly.

For those who don't have access to Sky. Anthony Davidson did an excellent job objectively analysing what happened and explaining why the stewards responded as they did; i.o.w. what the rules are opposed to what some people think the rules are or should be.

 
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Glideslope said:
It's not worth it in here. The bias in here is extremely heavy now that Max is resurgent and RB are on top of the RB20 again. The anger needs to be directed at the governing bodies and the mess they have created trying to make ever rule black and white as the teams constantly demand.





That was well thought out.




And you point is? Take it up with the FIA.





Correct, but it's not about being a "Nice Guy." Max is an ultra competitive athlete. He will use every tool in his bag that he is allowed. If people don't like the message, talk to the FIA, talk to the teams who put the FIA in the position of wanting every single racing call to be black and white. It's not realistic. Others employee the same. Max draws the attention due to the WDC battle and that he has been on top for years. People grow tired and want change, so they resort to attacks.
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My point is it’s a discussion thread about F1.
I’m not angry about it. It’s just what we’ve come to expect from Max.
 
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