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$2999 for entry model: what do you think?
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Sitting this one out
I expected it to be on the pricey side. And I try to avoid v1 of any major new product, whether it be hardware or software. I prefer not to be the guinea pig while the kinks are worked out. So I'll be on the sidelines for now, and will wait to see where the nMP v2 ends up.
Any guesses regarding the upgrade cycle on this new machine? 18 months? 3 years?
Meanwhile, I'll enjoy working on my 2010 Hexacore, recently beefed up with SSDs, more RAM and a decent GPU.
I expected it to be on the pricey side. And I try to avoid v1 of any major new product, whether it be hardware or software. I prefer not to be the guinea pig while the kinks are worked out. So I'll be on the sidelines for now, and will wait to see where the nMP v2 ends up.
Any guesses regarding the upgrade cycle on this new machine? 18 months? 3 years?
Meanwhile, I'll enjoy working on my 2010 Hexacore, recently beefed up with SSDs, more RAM and a decent GPU.
woah, waaaay too much! 12GB of RAM looks like joke, so maybe they will come to their senses until launch date.
$8999 more likely.
Remember that going from 6-12 on the 5.1s pushed it up near the $10,000 mark.
I think its ridiculously expensive, and I am already beginning to switch to Windows 7/8.
I'm using bootcamp full time on my MP 2008 as of this summer.
I can't say i'm surprised, but its still joke. This isn't a professional workstation. Its a overpriced Home PC that runs OSX. No company in their right mind would buy this thing for any other reason besides ascetic value, an excess of money, or some special deal.
I would also be very happy to stick with the old form factor if I was sticking with a tower.
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$6,199 for the base 12 core on the 5,1.
No, why would they do that? It costs Apple more to do that. Two 2GB DIMMs are more expensive than a single 4GB to produce/purchase/manufacture/ship and requires more inventory management.
It is 3x4GB.
That is not how pricing on computers works.
Computers depreciate in value. The old models become cheaper because they are older technology, the new model retains the same price. In the case of PC manufacturing, prices are actually dropping over time.
Car manufacturers don't add 1000 dollars for every new yearly model that gets released, and PC sellers don't do that with computers. Apple though...
Mac raises prices, because they know a small minority will buy it, not because that is what the price point demands.
The specs in this thing... equivalent specs could be used in a PC build for significantly cheaper.
Don't even get me started on 4 core xeons....
Again, this isn't a "PRO". Professional means, or used to mean, these are workstations mainly built for offices, schools etc. the nMP is an overprices fancy looking home computer "solution" for small business owners who just have to use OSX and don't have outside tech support, can't build a hack, or just have that excess of money. You really think major companies are going to shell out for this thing?
Yes, I see they went with 3x4GB.
As to why they would use the configuration I suggested was that I imagine there is a performance penalty from only using three channels instead of four.
I really don't know why they would be promoting this higher spec as the base, if in fact the "real" base is going to be a lower number. People are fixed on the price right now. What's their strategy here?
That is how it works in the Windows PC world because it's commodity designs using commodity parts. You can't differentiate on hardware or software, so you can only differentiate on price.
It's why a number of Windows PC manufacturers are moving towards the Apple model of using non-commodity parts and designs to try and generate higher prices and margins.
What makes you think Apple is using parts that are any different? The only difference is that Apple uses EFI.
That is a Intel chip, 3rd party ram, probably a Samsung harddrive and a Nvidea or Radeon GPU.
What are you talking about with non-commodity parts? What exactly do you think apple is making themselves, or is specifically made for apple? Charging 2x the price for a GPU because its stock EFI? You think that Xeon isn't available or going to be available to PC users, or if not equal or better available?
having set specs that the OS understands as stock doesn't mean anything in that nMP is unique. You can argue the chassis design is unique and perhaps has better cooling. That is it.
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$3K for Quad is not surprising. Still have no idea what if anything the dual video cards would do for me -- (audio production).
the quad nMP vs the 3.5GHz i7 imac with 16G ram and 256 SSD is a push on cpu horsepower and the imac is $400 less (with a free monitor).
If one needs Hex core or more - the nMP is looking good and in only a little more dear than old MP pricing.
If I could have MY wish - let me configure with dual CPU boards and one graphics card
LOL
the quad nMP vs the 3.5GHz i7 imac with 16G ram and 256 SSD is a push on cpu horsepower and the imac is $400 less (with a free monitor).
If one needs Hex core or more - the nMP is looking good and in only a little more dear than old MP pricing.
If I could have MY wish - let me configure with dual CPU boards and one graphics card
LOL
Nope, I'll be transitioning away from OSX. I never drank Steve's Kool-aid. A computer is a tool, nothing more. All of my software is feature compatible between OSX and Windows, and quite frankly, OSX doesn't have much over Win 7 in my opinion.
The nMP has less power for more money. My 3D workflow doesn't use GPUs, they use CPUs and as much ram as I can throw at them. And according to the project managers I have talked with, they aren't looking at transitioning to GPU computing anytime soon.
I suspect that a Dell (16 core, 128Gb) will be cheaper than a nMP (12-core, 64Gb), and that is before spending for 2 external raid enclosures, and an additional dock for extra USB ports - I need more than 4 (iPad, iPhone, Mouse, Keyboard, scanner, camera, thumb drive, etc).
I went with OSX and Apple because IBM abandoned OS/2 (Yeah, I ran OS/2 until the release of OSX.) My last work computer running windows computer was a 386DX40 running DrDos 6 & Windows 3.0.
The real interesting thing is that once I move off OSX for my main system, I will probably also transition away from the iPhone, I'm not sure about the iPad, but it is quite likely I'll dump it too once my current one dies.
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And just when I visit Dell.com, I get errors on every 2nd page.
You would think on a day when more people might visit the Dell site, they'd have it together. This is why we go with Apple I guess.
You would think on a day when more people might visit the Dell site, they'd have it together. This is why we go with Apple I guess.
Their website works perfectly fine for me.
And the real reason a person with your mindset and makes a post like that goes with apple is because you lack the basic knowledge build your own PC.
Now that one can do a price comparison between Apple & Dell, I suspect that the fence sitters are trying to do price comparisons.
I did it myself a few weeks ago. Looks like there is a Dell in my future.