32-bit programs in macOS 10.15

[Mr Todhunter]

i've always depended on QT7, but... what's missing for you? you can edit, record, loop... think i'll survive without it (either way, QT7 alone is not enough to have kept me from moving to 10.15).

Let's say you want to cut away one or two minutes from the middle of a movie file. Try it with QT 7 and then with the new QT. See the difference in usability? For me the difference is enormous, and I blame Apple for that.
QT7 is enough to keep me from moving. But I also have another 32 bit app I simply cannot live without. It's called DragThing and the developer announced it will not be upgraded to 64 (I don't blame Apple for that).
Then the Catalina's apps replacing iTunes do not allow for drag and drop (manual) transfer of media files to my 4 iOS devices. Since I do not sync, but always transfer manually, Catalina and possibly future MacOS versions would be of no interest me. Mojave with iTunes 12.6.5.3 is more than good enough.

 

[fisherking]

Let's say you want to cut away one or two minutes from the middle of a movie file. Try it with QT 7 and then with the new QT. See the difference in usability? For me the difference is enormous.
QT7 is enough to keep me from moving, and I blame Apple for that. But I also have another 32 bit app I simply cannot live without. It's called DragThing and the developer announced it will not be upgraded to 64 (I don't blame Apple for that).

so, you add 3 seconds to your workflow; cut the beginning, then cut the end?...

 

[Mr Todhunter]

so, you add 3 seconds to your workflow; cut the beginning, then cut the end?...

3 seconds? you're joking. Why don't you try it first?

 

[spheris]

3 seconds? you're joking. Why don't you try it first?

Just did, fisher is right. the extra step is negligible and frame accurate.

 

[fisherking]

3 seconds? you're joking. Why don't you try it first?

i've done it a bunch of times, in anticipation of QT7's imminent death. cut the front. then cut the back, 3 seconds (give or take a second).

 

[Mr Todhunter]

i've done it a bunch of times, in anticipation of QT7's imminent death. cut the front. then cut the back, 3 seconds (give or take a second).

Try cutting from the middle. How precise can your cut be?

 

[fisherking]

Try cutting from the middle. How precise can your cut be?

not sure what you mean.
in QT7 you highlight what you want to remove, in the newer QT you highlight what you want to keep. either way, you get the job done.

we did an art installation some years ago with video clips playing back in slow motion, looped... you can't do slow motion in the new QT. but otherwise, seems fine.

for real editing these days, i use FCPX; but try imovie, if you need something simple, but more precise...

 

[h9826790]

32bit is not completely dead in Catalina.

It's been tested with an input software Yahoo KeyKey.

If we make a clean Catalina installation, then try to install Yahoo KeyKey, then it won't work. A warning window pops up and says the software must be updated.

However, if we install Yahoo KeyKey in Mojave, and then upgrade the Catalina, then Yahoo KeyKey still work.

It will warn the user this software isn't compatible in Catalina during OS upgrade.

It will shows up in the Legacy software section.

But we can still use it.

So, Catalina actually able to run 32bit software. It's more like Apple just added an artificial lock, and not allow us to launch the software. If the system somehow try to load a 32bit software, it can still work.

 

[chrfr]

So, Catalina actually able to run 32bit software. It's more like Apple just added an artificial lock, and not allow us to launch the software. If the system somehow try to load a 32bit software, it can still work.

No, Catalina cannot run 32-bit software. What you’re showing is that the installer is 32-bit, but there’s no evidence that what you’ve actually installed is 32-bit.
See here: https://github.com/zonble/ykk_installer

 

[h9826790]

No, Catalina cannot run 32-bit software. What you’re showing is that the installer is 32-bit, but there’s no evidence that what you’ve actually installed is 32-bit.
See here: https://github.com/zonble/ykk_installer

Good catch up, I didn't realise that only the installer is 32bit. Thanks!

 

[J.Gallardo]

I accept 64bit is the way to go...
BUT, a lot of users will have to decide between Mojave [32/64bit compatibility] OR Catalina [only 64bit, plus "Sidecar" and minor cosmetic advances].
Mojave, I presume, is going to be a stop line for many (I don't remember such a milestone since I quitted my G5 iMac).
No problem for new Mac users, but a hassle -at least- for many, and I don't see any big advance in Catalina... something new and so useful to make me drop a few nice apps I love to work with.
32bit apps are still around! (even Apple sells them at their App Store.)
Of course, this is not the situation migrating to iOS13: nice new tricks and complete backwards compatibility.

 

[fisherking]

I accept 64bit is the way to go...
BUT, a lot of users will have to decide between Mojave [32/64bit compatibility] OR Catalina [only 64bit, plus "Sidecar" and minor cosmetic advances].
Mojave, I presume, is going to be a stop line for many (I don't remember such a milestone since I quitted my G5 iMac).
No problem for new Mac users, but a hassle -at least- for many, and I don't see any big advance in Catalina... something new and so useful to make me drop a few nice apps I love to work with.
32bit apps are still around! (even Apple sells them at their App Store.)
Of course, this is not the situation migrating to iOS13: nice new tricks and complete backwards compatibility.

we've been thru this numerous times: mac OS9 to OSX; scsi to usb; power pc to intel. etc. it's the way it is with tech. and down the line, everyone will be on a later OS; i mean, who's still running OS9??...

but the option, of course, is to stay with mojave (or whatever)... until your bank needs the 'current OS', or you want an app update that also requires that. and so on & so on....

 

[J.Gallardo]

we've been thru this numerous times: mac OS9 to OSX; scsi to usb; power pc to intel. etc. it's the way it is with tech. and down the line, everyone will be on a later OS; i mean, who's still running OS9??...

but the option, of course, is to stay with mojave (or whatever)... until your bank needs the 'current OS', or you want an app update that also requires that. and so on & so on....

mac OS9 to OSX; scsi to usb; power pc to intel. etc

Etc means "no more 32bit comp.", and just these you name are the big jumps. Just what I was pointing. It's not like jumping from HighSierra to Mojave (what I did with my last iMac).
I don't know people using OS9... but there're lots in SnowLeopard and Sierra!
It feels odd to me there's not much in the web about this big jump, no time for that detail in Catalina previews, though a lot of chatting about Catalyst and voice control (nice)...
Lets wait and see Catalina adoption rate (just betting will be the lowest in a decade).

 

[fisherking]

Etc means "no more 32bit comp.", and just these you name are the big jumps. Just what I was pointing. It's not like jumping from HighSierra to Mojave (what I did with my last iMac).
I don't know people using OS9... but there're lots in SnowLeopard and Sierra!
It feels odd to me there's not much in the web about this big jump, no time for that detail in Catalina previews, though a lot of chatting about Catalyst and voice control (nice)...
Lets wait and see Catalina adoption rate (just betting will be the lowest in a decade).

we've known about the end of the 32bit era since before mojave dropped; and we've had the warning that cropped up in that OS.

meanwhile, am sure that the catalina adoption rate will be 'the lowest in a decade'. if you say so, it must be true.

what i am GUESSING will actually happen: lots of people will get hysterical when they do upgrade... and discover old apps that no longer work.

 

[Fishrrman]

" i mean, who's still running OS9??..."

I still run OS 9 once in a while, for my own amusement.
I use Sheepshaver and OS 9 boots and runs fine in Mojave!
Took this screenshot 60 seconds ago:

 

[TimothyR734]

I predict in the near future we will be going from 64 to 128

 

[antibolo]

So what’s the current status on Wine running 32-bit apps? Is macOS really going to lose this?

If so, my current iMac is definitely the last Mac I will ever own (and it will stay on Mojave until it dies).

 

[chscag]

So what’s the current status on Wine running 32-bit apps? Is macOS really going to lose this?

Yes. WINE is unable to run 32 bit apps in Catalina. You'll need to stick with Mojave.

 

[antibolo]

Yes. WINE is unable to run 32 bit apps in Catalina. You'll need to stick with Mojave.

This is ridiculous. I’m done with Macs. Catalina is a downgrade no matter how you look at it. None of the new features are worth the massive loss of app compatibility, all just because Apple can’t be bothered to maintain 32-bit support while making billions in profit.

 

[OS6-OSX]

Remember apple does not have a monopoly on intelligence!
They had SIP and there were posts on how to disable it
NO 10.12 and above for older Macs and then there were posts on how to patch and update (dosdude1)
There are people out there that LIVE for a good challenge!
They may not have any intention on using 32bit apps but:
1. Loves the challenge
2. Hates that apple did it
3. etc!
Remember apple does not have a monopoly on intelligence!

 

[Synchro3]

This is ridiculous. I’m done with Macs. Catalina is a downgrade no matter how you look at it. None of the new features are worth the massive loss of app compatibility, all just because Apple can’t be bothered to maintain 32-bit support while making billions in profit.

This is one of the reasons I bought a Mac Mini 2018 with two boot drives, one drive forever with Mojave/32 Bit support, and the other with the latest release of macOS. I have plenty of 32 bit apps and games I don't want to abandon.

And in my opinion not supporting 32 Bit apps will a significant caveat of every upcoming new Mac including the mMac Pro.

 

[dogslobber]

just as others have stopped with 10.6, 10.7, 10.8... and so on. then, several years from now, a good-number of those people will be on new macs, and will (have to) move forward.

No need to get a new Mac. Just put Window 10 on your old Mac and continue with OS support. Apple might have people with older Macs but Microsoft will happily give them a cuddle.
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What I don't understand is these devs lagging so far behind. They have seen 64 bit coming for a very long time!

That’s because OS upgrades that break legacy software is criminal. In the old days the media would slaughter the OS vendor for breaking backward compatibility. Now people cheer for it. Who knew?

 

[fisherking]

This is ridiculous. I’m done with Macs. Catalina is a downgrade no matter how you look at it. None of the new features are worth the massive loss of app compatibility, all just because Apple can’t be bothered to maintain 32-bit support while making billions in profit.

right, let's keep tech at a standstill, so you can use your 32bit apps. transitions are not easy but tech moves forward... whether we like it or not. apple has it's motivation to move us into a fully-64bit era. come along, or don't. but whining about change won't stop change from happening...

 

[antibolo]

right, let's keep tech at a standstill, so you can use your 32bit apps. transitions are not easy but tech moves forward... whether we like it or not. apple has it's motivation to move us into a fully-64bit era. come along, or don't. but whining about change won't stop change from happening...

Every other x86 operating system is keeping 32-bit app support while still moving forward so spare me the brainless Apple propaganda.

 

[fisherking]

Every other x86 operating system is keeping 32-bit app support while still moving forward so spare me the brainless Apple propaganda.

yes, it's 'brainless Apple propaganda'. and no other OS will ever move forward, ever. thanks for the tech update!


EDIT:
just got this from a 'close friend', minutes from an apple meeting 2 years ago:

engineer1: let's move the whole OS to 64bit in 2019.
engineer2: do you think that will make things better?
engineer1: who cares? but it will piss off 5 people on the macrumors forums. what better reason do we need?