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I usually skip over posts this long, but this was actually an entertaining read lol. nicely done. and some very good points.
Thank you. I do wish I could write more succinctly but I've long had difficulty with that. The funny thing is, in person, people complain I am too quiet and they never know what I'm thinking. :D On top of that, I suffer a couple of ailments, like TMJ problems, that prevent me from talking at all for days or even weeks at a time. Then I just shrug a lot and throw some stink eye around. o_O

Mostly, I'm thinking about chocolate and coffee. But everyone can keep on worrying I am plotting mischief! :p
 

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I’m hoping for Apple to turn things around. They have the money and resources to be so much more awesome than they are and it’s maddening.

I’m planning to always check out the rumors. I can’t guarantee I’ll always be active on this site. I did leave for a year before and may wander off again, but this site is my favorite morning coffee read.

But I feel Apple has been a bit untrustworthy of late. There was the whole thing with the batteries. A friend of mine almost really got screwed over with that. The news broke just in time and she then knew to just replace her battery instead of her whole danged phone that had gone completely batpoop after she updated to iOS 11.

They took away the headphone jack and tried to sell it as “courage” and “the future” and claimed they needed space and it would help with waterproofing. But Samsung manages to keep the headphone jack and keep the phones slim and waterproof. Teardowns revealed they didn’t even use the space saved at first. It is all too easy to suspect the whole move was just to sell more wireless Beats and AirPods. And the customer gets inconvenienced and left with one less option.

I just didn’t like the smell of the stuff they were shoveling to sell us on that decision. Also, many people pointed out this isn’t exactly an environmentally friendly move, which kind of makes Apple look a bit hypocritical on that front as well.

And then, well I have my doubts that they only ever meant to come out just with Face ID no matter what Hairforce One claims. Something about that just doesn’t ring true and some folks here swear they heard talk from Apple peeps to the contrary. Yeah that’s just hearsay, but it wouldn’t shock me if it were true. There’s just enough sheen of malarkey floating around from Apple these days that it’s easier to be more cynical about these things now.

I think they did know it was going to be cool, but I think they meant to also give us in-display Touch ID. I think a couple of things happened though to change the course of things. The bad news: they couldn’t get Touch ID to work in the display. They admitted that. What they won’t admit is that it was ever an important goal for them. The good news: Face ID didn’t suck. I’m sure they were relieved and sacrificed a few pocket calculators to the technology gods in thanks for that.

But when they couldn’t pull in-display Touch ID off, they went too far in my book by dissing the whole concept to the point they’d look like doofuses if they were to try to offer it now. And they also relegated other forms of Touch ID to the scrap heap of history. Which again leaves the customer with one less option. Such arrogance. Bah. It’s also a savvy marketing ploy to plant the idea that manufacturers who do still offer Touch ID and headphone jacks are dated and living in the past.

Pfft. I’m no sheep and I ain’t buying that marketing crap. I know what I like. I know what I want. I’m not paying more for fewer options or options that cost more to have and insure, but do only the same damn thing I did with the older refined and economical technology.

With Android you know somebody is going to try and give you everything and the kitchen sink. I’m very happy so far with my S9+. And Android OS just kept getting more smooth and reliable since I started trying it in the Marshmallow days.

Meanwhile so much of my time now is spent troubleshooting iOS shenanigans for myself and the kids. There’s some weird bugs happening to my kids’ iMessages I can’t even begin to sort out.

I also am tired of being channeled into an ecosystem that’s grown increasingly sloppy and less elegant and less user friendly. It’s confusing for a family with an iPhone 7 Plus, an iphone SE, and iPhone X and an IPhone 8 Plus to have all these different ways of rebooting a phone despite them all being on the same version of iOS. Good Lord, who thought that was a good idea?

Oh you don’t want to see the struggles the kids and I have with the new Apple TV. I’m glad many people like theirs but ours is just plain snakebit. Between that twitchy stupid remote and the bugs infesting that thing nobody wants to watch tv. We were a family of readers anyway and now we are even more so. Even my engineer husband cusses that thing out because we will sit down to watch a program or movie together and some bug will crop up with sound or something else. WTH? “It just works” my right butt cheek.

I respect that ipads work pretty well because Android tablets are being left to die by Google. Chromebooks are cool but they are a different animal.

Yeah, I’m kind of over the walled garden for now. They can reel me back in. I’ll never say never. They just need to rededicate themselves to really giving the customer the best possible experience their engineers and designers can create. People will pay big bucks to have the best made by the best in the business. Steve Jobs knew that. Tim Cook forgot that.

They need to back off designing for the beans (and the shareholders). I’m sick of feeling shaken down for every last bit of loose change in my pockets and my sofa cushions. And for what? Less than I had in 2016? Pfft!
Well I agree with the others, damit Grumpy that was well said! Somehow you really managed to put the finger on a lot of things I've had trouble expressing. I bolded my fave parts.

The headphone jack removal was just cheap and is one of the big ones for me. I regret getting the 7+ last year mainly because of those moments especially while traveling where I simply can't continue listening to music on my sweet Bose noice cancellers because the battery runs out and oh right, I have to do it all using that one lightning port! And no I'm not about to shell out another $350 just to get a wireless version of the same headphones.

At those moments I've really felt cheated. That's unnecessary man, to force me into that situation just because you wanna make another buck on bluetooth peripherals. Boo. Because like you said, many other phones are just as slim but guess what they have both USB C and headphone jack.

As for my 15" MBP, I love it in many ways but man the supposed "ecosystem" benefits give me mostly headaches honestly. I can't tell you how many times I've had iMessage sync, password sync, Apple Watch unlock, even a simple thing as the hotspot, etc etc. start to glitch out on me. And no getting those to work again is not always as simple as some would have it. It was taking me so much time and was so un-straightforward in many cases that at this point I've simply dropped writing and reading iMessages on the MBP, that benefit is no longer worth all the headache I spent on fixing it.

And lastly, there's Siri. 90% of the time all she's good for is a joke. And I mean literally. I'll be having a dinner conversation, something comes up which I wanna do a quick fact check on, I whip up the AW to impress my dinner guests but mid sentence remember what usually happens and sure enough all I get is "I'm not sure I understand" or better yet some doofus version of what I just said that can only be used as a stupid little joke to deflect the embarrassment of what I just attempted. "Haha guys, look how stupid this god damn thing is!" is usually the result of my asking Siri something.

Except the egg timer. She pulls that one off very well.

Meanwhile, Google Assistant is just blowing it out of the water. Hey Apple, how's that for revolutionary future vision?

Anyway sorry, now I'm getting into rant mode. It's just that you hit such good points Grumpy that it made me realise how much crap I'm putting up with by keeping up my hope that my Apple stuff will just start delivering at some point. All this while I've been drooling over the Note 8 for some time but being held back by my slight dislike of the curved edges and previous frustration over Samsung's os... So it lead me to reassess my situation in public hah.

Speaking of which, as an aside, Grumpy I see that you really like the S9, did you like the Note 8 as much but just move to the S9 to get the latest n greatest or how was it? Just looking for all the takes on the Note 8 I can find before I possibly take the leap (would choose that one first because I want maximum display size + love the S Pen).
 

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Well I agree with the others, damit Grumpy that was well said! Somehow you really managed to put the finger on a lot of things I've had trouble expressing. I bolded my fave parts.

The headphone jack removal was just cheap and is one of the big ones for me. I regret getting the 7+ last year mainly because of those moments especially while traveling where I simply can't continue listening to music on my sweet Bose noice cancellers because the battery runs out and oh right, I have to do it all using that one lightning port! And no I'm not about to shell out another $350 just to get a wireless version of the same headphones.

At those moments I've really felt cheated. That's unnecessary man, to force me into that situation just because you wanna make another buck on bluetooth peripherals. Boo. Because like you said, many other phones are just as slim but guess what they have both USB C and headphone jack.

As for my 15" MBP, I love it in many ways but man the supposed "ecosystem" benefits give me mostly headaches honestly. I can't tell you how many times I've had iMessage sync, password sync, Apple Watch unlock, even a simple thing as the hotspot, etc etc. start to glitch out on me. And no getting those to work again is not always as simple as some would have it. It was taking me so much time and was so un-straightforward in many cases that at this point I've simply dropped writing and reading iMessages on the MBP, that benefit is no longer worth all the headache I spent on fixing it.

And lastly, there's Siri. 90% of the time all she's good for is a joke. And I mean literally. I'll be having a dinner conversation, something comes up which I wanna do a quick fact check on, I whip up the AW to impress my dinner guests but mid sentence remember what usually happens and sure enough all I get is "I'm not sure I understand" or better yet some doofus version of what I just said that can only be used as a stupid little joke to deflect the embarrassment of what I just attempted. "Haha guys, look how stupid this god damn thing is!" is usually the result of my asking Siri something.

Except the egg timer. She pulls that one off very well.

Meanwhile, Google Assistant is just blowing it out of the water. Hey Apple, how's that for revolutionary future vision?

Anyway sorry, now I'm getting into rant mode. It's just that you hit such good points Grumpy that it made me realise how much crap I'm putting up with by keeping up my hope that my Apple stuff will just start delivering at some point. All this while I've been drooling over the Note 8 for some time but being held back by my slight dislike of the curved edges and previous frustration over Samsung's os... So it lead me to reassess my situation in public hah.

Speaking of which, as an aside, Grumpy I see that you really like the S9, did you like the Note 8 as much but just move to the S9 to get the latest n greatest or how was it? Just looking for all the takes on the Note 8 I can find before I possibly take the leap (would choose that one first because I want maximum display size + love the S Pen).


I'll just add to that rant with the lightning cables. I travel frequently, and nothing is worst than a lightning cable acting up or just plain not working anymore. It came to the point that I would bring at least 3 lightning cables with me, 2 used ones, and one still in it's package as an emergency. No matter how much I baby my lightning cables, they eventually give me problems on all my iOS devices.

With Micro USB cables, it's rare that I have an issue. With USB-C cables, I haven't had any issues yet.
 

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I'll just add to that rant with the lightning cables. I travel frequently, and nothing is worst than a lightning cable acting up or just plain not working anymore. It came to the point that I would bring at least 3 lightning cables with me, 2 used ones, and one still in it's package as an emergency. No matter how much I baby my lightning cables, they eventually give me problems on all my iOS devices.

With Micro USB cables, it's rare that I have an issue. With USB-C cables, I haven't had any issues yet.
With 10 years of iPhones I have never ever had a lightning cable breaking or stopped working. I wonder how one can even damage it :eek:
 

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Well I agree with the others, damit Grumpy that was well said! Somehow you really managed to put the finger on a lot of things I've had trouble expressing. I bolded my fave parts.

The headphone jack removal was just cheap and is one of the big ones for me. I regret getting the 7+ last year mainly because of those moments especially while traveling where I simply can't continue listening to music on my sweet Bose noice cancellers because the battery runs out and oh right, I have to do it all using that one lightning port! And no I'm not about to shell out another $350 just to get a wireless version of the same headphones.

At those moments I've really felt cheated. That's unnecessary man, to force me into that situation just because you wanna make another buck on bluetooth peripherals. Boo. Because like you said, many other phones are just as slim but guess what they have both USB C and headphone jack.

As for my 15" MBP, I love it in many ways but man the supposed "ecosystem" benefits give me mostly headaches honestly. I can't tell you how many times I've had iMessage sync, password sync, Apple Watch unlock, even a simple thing as the hotspot, etc etc. start to glitch out on me. And no getting those to work again is not always as simple as some would have it. It was taking me so much time and was so un-straightforward in many cases that at this point I've simply dropped writing and reading iMessages on the MBP, that benefit is no longer worth all the headache I spent on fixing it.

And lastly, there's Siri. 90% of the time all she's good for is a joke. And I mean literally. I'll be having a dinner conversation, something comes up which I wanna do a quick fact check on, I whip up the AW to impress my dinner guests but mid sentence remember what usually happens and sure enough all I get is "I'm not sure I understand" or better yet some doofus version of what I just said that can only be used as a stupid little joke to deflect the embarrassment of what I just attempted. "Haha guys, look how stupid this god damn thing is!" is usually the result of my asking Siri something.

Except the egg timer. She pulls that one off very well.

Meanwhile, Google Assistant is just blowing it out of the water. Hey Apple, how's that for revolutionary future vision?

Anyway sorry, now I'm getting into rant mode. It's just that you hit such good points Grumpy that it made me realise how much crap I'm putting up with by keeping up my hope that my Apple stuff will just start delivering at some point. All this while I've been drooling over the Note 8 for some time but being held back by my slight dislike of the curved edges and previous frustration over Samsung's os... So it lead me to reassess my situation in public hah.

Speaking of which, as an aside, Grumpy I see that you really like the S9, did you like the Note 8 as much but just move to the S9 to get the latest n greatest or how was it? Just looking for all the takes on the Note 8 I can find before I possibly take the leap (would choose that one first because I want maximum display size + love the S Pen).
Hey that rant was a thing of beauty! We should never be afraid of a well written rant here or even on the main part of the forum. If we hadn't been loyal Apple customers we wouldn't care that Apple isn't holding up Steve's vision. Not that he was perfect, but I can't believe he would have allowed different models of iPhones to all be sold at the same time that have to be rebooted differently. I'm not even sure they all summon emergency services the same way. I am frankly too afraid to activate that feature because I've read right here on this forum that it caused so many unintended calls to emergency dispatchers.

At least you still have your iPhone 7 Plus. Mine had been a wonderful Christmas surprise. I thought it was a great phone, and it was with the version of iOS that it shipped with. Either the first or second update ruined battery life and it never really was quite the same afterwards. Then it became a bit buggy. I decided to trade it in while I could still get a lot back from Apple for it and get the 8 Plus, after I decided to return the iPhone X.

The thing about the iPhone X and 8 Plus is that their cameras take an actual step back from that of the 7 Plus by blowing out highlights persistently and obnoxiously. Flash photography with the X is problematic because of where the flash is positioned. You're pretty much guaranteed to have photos plagued with red eye or other weird discoloration of the eyes. This is very sloppy of Apple. And I'm surprised they still haven't issued an update that fixes the problem of the blown out highlights. I can't believe they wouldn't be aware this is a problem.

And if you ever compare audio from an iPhone video to that from several other Android phones that do audio well, even the Pixel 2 with its monoaural audio, you would be dismayed to realize what your videos have been missing.

With my S9+ that records in stereo audio, when I watch a family video with my headphones on I'm immediately transported back to the moment I am watching. Because I am not only seeing the moment replayed, I'm hearing it as I heard it the first time with the sounds of birds singing in a tree above me and a fountain tinkling behind me and the kids talking in front of me. Apple videos sound like muffled mush in comparison. On my Pixel 2 I don't get the immersive directional effect, but the sound is still clearer than what I get from my iPhone.

However, my husband has taken me through some of his business apps on his iPhone and explained what they do better than their Android counterparts. Apps for Android aren't as good at implementing the available biometric authentication. They don't even use fingerprints. They have more features and there are just more apps to choose from. Or at least that is his perspective so far. He's still finding his way around Android after being with Apple for so long.

As for why I didn't go for a Note 8, well my S8+ was just not a stellar example of what Samsung is capable of. I battled lags and stutters. So did my husband. My audio for video recording was actually much worse than what my S7 Edge was capable of. There were distortions and it was a bit muffled and just not calibrated right so that sounds from behind overpowered sounds from the front.

I didn't like the edge curvature and felt it took up too much of the display. My phone was plagued with a pink stain. I just was a bit salty on Samsung and wanted to put my money toward the Pixel around the time the Note 8 was released.

I did take a look at the Note 8 when the S9+ came out. I was impressed and came close to considering it, but the stereo speakers on the S9+ got me. I play games and watch videos and even movies on my phones. I appreciate good stereo audio. My iPhone X had the best external stereo audio I'd heard on my phones up to that point. I missed that. I'm very happy with my S9+ stereo sound but I still think the X sounds a bit richer.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the Note 9 has to offer.
 
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I would be surprised if Apple doesn't improve iPhone audio recording next fall. It's one of the most pointed out negatives.
 
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Well I agree with the others, damit Grumpy that was well said! Somehow you really managed to put the finger on a lot of things I've had trouble expressing. I bolded my fave parts.

The headphone jack removal was just cheap and is one of the big ones for me. I regret getting the 7+ last year mainly because of those moments especially while traveling where I simply can't continue listening to music on my sweet Bose noice cancellers because the battery runs out and oh right, I have to do it all using that one lightning port! And no I'm not about to shell out another $350 just to get a wireless version of the same headphones.

At those moments I've really felt cheated. That's unnecessary man, to force me into that situation just because you wanna make another buck on bluetooth peripherals. Boo. Because like you said, many other phones are just as slim but guess what they have both USB C and headphone jack.

As for my 15" MBP, I love it in many ways but man the supposed "ecosystem" benefits give me mostly headaches honestly. I can't tell you how many times I've had iMessage sync, password sync, Apple Watch unlock, even a simple thing as the hotspot, etc etc. start to glitch out on me. And no getting those to work again is not always as simple as some would have it. It was taking me so much time and was so un-straightforward in many cases that at this point I've simply dropped writing and reading iMessages on the MBP, that benefit is no longer worth all the headache I spent on fixing it.

And lastly, there's Siri. 90% of the time all she's good for is a joke. And I mean literally. I'll be having a dinner conversation, something comes up which I wanna do a quick fact check on, I whip up the AW to impress my dinner guests but mid sentence remember what usually happens and sure enough all I get is "I'm not sure I understand" or better yet some doofus version of what I just said that can only be used as a stupid little joke to deflect the embarrassment of what I just attempted. "Haha guys, look how stupid this god damn thing is!" is usually the result of my asking Siri something.

Except the egg timer. She pulls that one off very well.

Meanwhile, Google Assistant is just blowing it out of the water. Hey Apple, how's that for revolutionary future vision?

Anyway sorry, now I'm getting into rant mode. It's just that you hit such good points Grumpy that it made me realise how much crap I'm putting up with by keeping up my hope that my Apple stuff will just start delivering at some point. All this while I've been drooling over the Note 8 for some time but being held back by my slight dislike of the curved edges and previous frustration over Samsung's os... So it lead me to reassess my situation in public hah.

Speaking of which, as an aside, Grumpy I see that you really like the S9, did you like the Note 8 as much but just move to the S9 to get the latest n greatest or how was it? Just looking for all the takes on the Note 8 I can find before I possibly take the leap (would choose that one first because I want maximum display size + love the S Pen).

Why do people keep saying this? It’s not thickness that was the space issue. You can make it as thick as you want, but the height and width of the phone were still an issue. It was the increase in the size of the Taptic Engine that took that space.
 
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Why do people keep saying this? It’s not thickness that was the space issue. You can make it as thick as you want, but the height and width of the phone were still an issue. It was the increase in the size of the Taptic Engine that took that space.
Ah sorry, I had the information wrong then. Anyway that's a detail imo. The general question is whether it's possible to keep a dedicated headphone jack in a state of the art phone - Apple says no while many others say yes. And if maintaining a certain feedback functionality was the issue here, I'd honestly sacrifice that any day to keep my headphone jack.
 
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Sounds like you’ll be happy on Android and Windows. Good luck.
Thats what i use and its been working for me.

There are downsides to the 2 platforms as well, so it's kind of hard decision where I'm 50/50 on one side or the other.

I hate bloatware, I hate not getting the latest OS on my phone right away, I hate the way that Windows gets laggy after a while (although I haven't used it for over 5 years, so maybe 10 isn't as bad), I hate the way I can't get text messages on my laptop like I can with my MacBook and iPhone. It's just a double edged sword of features vs functionality.
[doublepost=1522690545][/doublepost]I would have to note that the Pixel 3 XL to win me over from possibly going with the Note 9/S10 or sticking with the iPhone is going to have to have some things done to it:

Little to no bezels and wireless charging are the biggest things. Those are what kept the Pixel 2XL out of my hands this go around. It just feels like 2015 phone with 2017 specs.
Hmm, i dont notice lag on Windows 10. As for the latest updates, if it is working fine i dont care about 8.1 or 8.2 because its usually just a fix for something that isnt working right. Ill get the next major update to 9 and whenever that is, so be it. Functuality is king.
Im also on TMobile and there is very little bloatware. Bare minimum really. Just a few apps they put on and i disabled two of them.
 
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4. I just honestly don't want to be tied down to one tech company going forward. If I permanently made the switch to Android/Windows I could get by with having Alexa or Google Home as my smart speaker in the future, I can move to Spotify and have it work on all of my devices, I can use different headphones rather than Airpods and Beats and get full functionality, and the list goes on and on and on. It's not that I hate Apple at all (I love my iPhone and my MacBook honestly), it's that I just don't want to be tied down to one company that I know is always going to have the most expensive items on the market. I'm getting to the point where I think that cutting edge tech should be getting cheaper. Look at Echo (much more functional) vs Home Pod (not as functional) $99 vs $349. Apple is just going to remain expensive because they're Apple and that's fine, but for me I'm looking at items that have the same functionality that are half as cheap.

While I am in the apple camp, with no plans to leave, I am also not a die-hard. It sounds like Android/Windows might be a better fit for you & I wish you good luck in your journey. The one thing I wanted to point out is a flaw in your logic. with regards to the headphones, you can actually use any bluetooth headphones you want & get the exact same functionality on iOS that you do on Android. IF you choose to use AirPods or Beats, you gain additional features that are not available at all on Android, so in making the move, you are actually limiting your choices, rather than expanding them.

Either way, I understand your larger point & at the end of the day it's about making the best choices for us, not blindly buying what someone sells us.
 
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Just playing devil's advocate:

1. The iPhone is just too expensive (the X is the max that I would ever pay for a device, and IMO it's not worth it). I literally could have gotten a Pixel 2 XL, a Note 8 (a ridiculously expensive phone to begin with), or an S9+ for cheaper than my X. You could make a case for the 8, but the 8 is the lesser model and the X is the iPhone you want for 2018.

This is a very fair point. I'm quite happy with my 8Plus but Apple has been price creeping their phones for a couple of years now. I'd say to wait until October to see if they drop the price of X-sized phone with the introduction of the X Plus model.

2. I miss having Google integrated directly into my hardware. Say what you want about privacy issues or whatever but Siri is just a terrible voice assistant, and it looks like Apple is fine with the way she runs.

iPhone users can enjoy Apple/Google/Amazon services on their devices. Going Android you will not be able to use Apple services (except for Apple Music).
Besides, you say that you may go with Surface Pro and a Samsung phone. Both do not have Google integrated directly in their hardware.

3. My MacBook is getting dated, and I honestly don't see a compelling reason to spend $1,000 dollars on a laptop that can't do PC gaming like I want. I'm not into video editing, and I use Google Chrome as my primary browser.

1.
Honestly, I cannot take seriously laptop gamers. That's an horrible trade-off. Gaming laptops will never be good gaming computers because physics, and they are terrible laptops because of weight, dimensions, and poor trackpad. If you want to game, you will be better off with a desktop PC. Stick with a slim, lightweight, and ergonomic laptop for when you are on the move.

2.
You said you want to go with a Surface Pro. You're paying 1000 bucks for a tablet device that cannot game at all. If you wanna go with a SurfaceBook you'll be paying even more than for a MacBook Pro and still get horrible gaming specs.

4. I just honestly don't want to be tied down to one tech company going forward. If I permanently made the switch to Android/Windows I could get by with having Alexa or Google Home as my smart speaker in the future, I can move to Spotify and have it work on all of my devices, I can use different headphones rather than Airpods and Beats and get full functionality, and the list goes on and on and on. It's not that I hate Apple at all (I love my iPhone and my MacBook honestly), it's that I just don't want to be tied down to one company that I know is always going to have the most expensive items on the market. I'm getting to the point where I think that cutting edge tech should be getting cheaper. Look at Echo (much more functional) vs Home Pod (not as functional) $99 vs $349. Apple is just going to remain expensive because they're Apple and that's fine, but for me I'm looking at items that have the same functionality that are half as cheap.

You don't have to stick with Apple-branded accessories. iPhone users can enjoy different third-party accessories and get full functionality. It's actually Android users that are more constricted with the available options because they cannot use Apple accessories. You will actually lose options.
 

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Thank you. I do wish I could write more succinctly but I've long had difficulty with that. The funny thing is, in person, people complain I am too quiet and they never know what I'm thinking. :D On top of that, I suffer a couple of ailments, like TMJ problems, that prevent me from talking at all for days or even weeks at a time. Then I just shrug a lot and throw some stink eye around. o_O

Mostly, I'm thinking about chocolate and coffee. But everyone can keep on worrying I am plotting mischief! :p
Some Men would call that a blessing lol. Im kidding of course. My Wife has had that before but its been a while.
She goes thru this whole spew to get to the point of what she really wants to get across. It takes a while and she gets mad if i ask her...."is there a point to this"? lol
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While I am in the apple camp, with no plans to leave, I am also not a die-hard. It sounds like Android/Windows might be a better fit for you & I wish you good luck in your journey. The one thing I wanted to point out is a flaw in your logic. with regards to the headphones, you can actually use any bluetooth headphones you want & get the exact same functionality on iOS that you do on Android. IF you choose to use AirPods or Beats, you gain additional features that are not available at all on Android, so in making the move, you are actually limiting your choices, rather than expanding them.

Either way, I understand your larger point & at the end of the day it's about making the best choices for us, not blindly buying what someone sells us.
Such as?
Personally i think those Ear/Air pods are awful. Why would they make them the shape of wired buds? I dont like them just sitting on my ear with the bottom hanging down like that. I much prefer the buds that fit in the ear.
 
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Some Men would call that a blessing lol. Im kidding of course. My Wife has had that before. She goes thru this whole spew to get to the point of what she really wnts to get across. It takes a while and she gets mad if i ask her...."is there a point to this"? lol
Lol, we women love our words!

I’m told when the topic is smartphones that I have a tendency to run off at the mouth at home. Lord help me, I used to be this way about catfish, of all things. One would think there’s not much to be said about corydoras catfish, but for a few years I was a fanatic. Before that it was robots. I’m sure there’s a trail in Google or some other aggregation of data somewhere that will bear witness to my various obsessions in life.

I do still have catfish but I finally ran out of things to say and think about them. :p
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With 10 years of iPhones I have never ever had a lightning cable breaking or stopped working. I wonder how one can even damage it :eek:
Oh wow you’ve never had the experience of having the cord gradually turn a scorched brown (sort of like watching bread get toasted). Then it swells and sometimes frays. This usually happens right where the cord joins to the base of the lighting connector. I’ve had this happen a few times now. I’m not rough at all. I don’t grab the cord and pull. I use my delicate little lady fingers to grasp the connector and pull it out that way so I don’t stress the cord. It happens anyway. I don’t know why. I just periodically check all the lightning chargers in the house for signs of this wear and tear and replace them. Well not the whole charger, just the frayed cord.
 
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Sounds like you’ll be happy on Android and Windows. Good luck.

Always makes me laff when I read this, as if you are going to some niche barely heard of newbie software platform. Instead of a) the OS that runs the worlds computers and b) the mobile OS that runs 90 or so % of the world' mobile phones. Some risk, yeah..
 

mk313

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Such as?
Personally i think those Ear/Air pods are awful. Why would they make them the shape of wired buds? I dont like them just sitting on my ear with the bottom hanging down like that. I much prefer the buds that fit in the ear.
The styling is certainly up for debate, but I was referring to the better connection between the device and headphones, and the multi-device syncing that apples w1 chip provides.
 

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go to target and put your X next to literally any other phone and you will see why it is superior.
 

Vegastouch

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The styling is certainly up for debate, but I was referring to the better connection between the device and headphones, and the multi-device syncing that apples w1 chip provides.
So your saying Android don't connect well? Lol, I've never had a problem and I use all kinds of different devices I connect to. Bose, JBL, Beats, Roland, my car, Motorola, etc.
So what are these additional features I'd gain that I am missing that "Android doesn't have at all"?
 

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They have the money and resources to be so much more awesome than they are and it’s maddening.

Apple, Google, Microsoft... they ALL have the money to be more awesome, but they all kind of suck. I've been waiting several years for someone to go "Look! Look at the whole new way of doing things that suddenly makes a lot of sense and beats the competition."

But they keep just giving us crap like smart speakers.
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So your saying Android don't connect well?

Brilliant.
 

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So your saying Android don't connect well? Lol, I've never had a problem and I use all kinds of different devices I connect to. Bose, JBL, Beats, Roland, my car, Motorola, etc.
So what are these additional features I'd gain that I am missing that "Android doesn't have at all"?
Nope, no one said that Android doesn't connect well, but straw men arguments are always in vogue on internet message boards. It's easy enough to go back up the thread and read what i wrote.

Apple devices connect to bluetooth headphones the exact same way that Android ones do. They all connect about equally well. Apple also offers a W1 chip in their headphones that allow a more solid connection than bluetooth. It also offers the ability to transfer your connection seamlessly between different apple devices. These are facts. It doesn't make Android bad, but if you're defensive about Android, then I'm sure you'll feel attacked.

IF you've ever experienced dropouts with bluetooth headphones, then you might appreciate the better connection, if not, then you won't. Just like some phones offer a longer lasting battery than others, but if your current battery is big enough for your needs then you'd probably not notice the difference.

Either way, this is my last comment on the subject. No sense wasting a weekend arguing technological minutiae with someone who it intentionally trying to misrepresent what you've said.
 

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Apple, Google, Microsoft... they ALL have the money to be more awesome, but they all kind of suck. I've been waiting several years for someone to go "Look! Look at the whole new way of doing things that suddenly makes a lot of sense and beats the competition."

But they keep just giving us crap like smart speakers.
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Brilliant.
Yeah but Apple had a visionary leading them and plotting out a roadmap for them to follow even after his death. He also left behind talks and speeches about how to focus on product and cautioned against the bean counting mentality that nearly destroyed Apple the first time around. One would have hoped all of that would have taken root and been nurtured. But a lot of it seems to have been paved over.

Google and Microsoft never had that.
 

Vegastouch

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Nope, no one said that Android doesn't connect well, but straw men arguments are always in vogue on internet message boards. It's easy enough to go back up the thread and read what i wrote.

Apple devices connect to bluetooth headphones the exact same way that Android ones do. They all connect about equally well. Apple also offers a W1 chip in their headphones that allow a more solid connection than bluetooth. It also offers the ability to transfer your connection seamlessly between different apple devices. These are facts. It doesn't make Android bad, but if you're defensive about Android, then I'm sure you'll feel attacked.

IF you've ever experienced dropouts with bluetooth headphones, then you might appreciate the better connection, if not, then you won't. Just like some phones offer a longer lasting battery than others, but if your current battery is big enough for your needs then you'd probably not notice the difference.

Either way, this is my last comment on the subject. No sense wasting a weekend arguing technological minutiae with someone who it intentionally trying to misrepresent what you've said.
Nope, not defensive at all. I just wanted to know what it is that Android doesn't have that Apple does when connecting to Bluetooth devices.
I've not experienced drop outs unless the battery on the device died.
 
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