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sracer

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Linux is very user UNFRIENDLY and difficult to use and not many programs support Linux. So that's definitely a step down from Mac OS IMO.

I think the Google Nexus line is very lacking in user friendly features too. So Mac and iOS would be a ton better for sure. I think Android have improved a lot since.
User-friendliness is often a matter of what one is already accustomed to. MacOS is user-unfriendly to people who only have known Windows. For example: How many people (even those who have used macOS for a while) know that often the menu items in an app change if the Option key is held down?

There are quite a few Linux distributions that ARE user friendly (as much as anything can be). One example, Elementary OS is very clean, simple, and very, very macOS-like. So much so, that should we need to move on from out Macbook Airs and iMac, my wife would be comfortable with running Elementary OS. (with the way Apple has been over the past few years, I'm regularly planning our "exit strategy" from Appleland.)

When we switched from Windows to OSX over a decade ago, we had to "Think Different". There were not many programs that supported OSX. We had to think about WHAT we needed to get done (not HOW we did it) and select apps that accomplished the same task, often in a different way.

It is no different with Linux. There are some solid apps out there that can accomplish the tasks that most people do with their macOS devices. But if one is looking for, "I use app 'X' on macOS, and I want to use app 'X' on Linux" type of experience, then it will indeed fall short. That is generally true when switching from any OS to another.

The greatest issue with Linux is that there are no mainstream notebook manufacturers that provide a device with a fully installed and configured Linux distro preloaded. (Dell kinda, sorta does in a selling something out of the trunk of a Cadillac type of way)

I think many people would feel differently about Linux (in a positive way) if they could buy a system with Linux-preloaded (in a "style" they're familiar with... macOS-like, Windows-like, native Linux).
 
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4RunnerHeaven

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I'm not saying PC laptops didn't come a long way. They simply are "trade-off" machines.
They are not as good as desktops for serious gaming (think about modding games to the limit, overclocking, upgradability).
They are not as good as laptops for portability (weight, dimensions, poor trackpad, poor battery life).

Much better to have both. For people that cannot pay for it, they have to live with the trade-offs.

Actually PC laptops are better than MACs right now in battery life, weight, dimensions. TrackPad, it's hard to beat the Mac one, but some are very good like the XPS.
 

DanielDD

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Actually PC laptops are better than MACs right now in battery life, weight, dimensions. TrackPad, it's hard to beat the Mac one, but some are very good like the XPS.

PC laptops with dedicated GPUs (the ones that are better gaming wise) are worse in all those departments. If you look at ultrabooks (the ones that can compete in those departments), it's hard to beat the 15 inch MacBook Pro in terms of performance. The top of the line model has the best mobile CPU Intel offers for each generation
 

eltoslightfoot

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User-friendliness is often a matter of what one is already accustomed to. MacOS is user-unfriendly to people who only have known Windows. For example: How many people (even those who have used macOS for a while) know that often the menu items in an app change if the Option key is held down?

There are quite a few Linux distributions that ARE user friendly (as much as anything can be). One example, Elementary OS is very clean, simple, and very, very macOS-like. So much so, that should we need to move on from out Macbook Airs and iMac, my wife would be comfortable with running Elementary OS. (with the way Apple has been over the past few years, I'm regularly planning our "exit strategy" from Appleland.)

When we switched from Windows to OSX over a decade ago, we had to "Think Different". There were not many programs that supported OSX. We had to think about WHAT we needed to get done (not HOW we did it) and select apps that accomplished the same task, often in a different way.

It is no different with Linux. There are some solid apps out there that can accomplish the tasks that most people do with their macOS devices. But if one is looking for, "I use app 'X' on macOS, and I want to use app 'X' on Linux" type of experience, then it will indeed fall short. That is generally true when switching from any OS to another.

The greatest issue with Linux is that there are no mainstream notebook manufacturers that provide a device with a fully installed and configured Linux distro preloaded. (Dell kinda, sorta does in a selling something out of the trunk of a Cadillac type of way)

I think many people would feel differently about Linux (in a positive way) if they could buy a system with Linux-preloaded (in a "style" they're familiar with... macOS-like, Windows-like, native Linux).

There are vast differences in the quality of the programs for Mac and those that are for linux. That's the way it is. I mean, you can say use some linux writing program instead of Scrivener, but that doesn't make it a good idea. That is also true for graphics editing, etc. Couple that with their inability to keep up with things like the 10 series nVidia graphics cards (I know this from experience) and it leads to a subpar experience.

Now if we are talking web servers, then sure. :) Nothing beats a good LAMP server.
 

Dodgeman

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I was wondering the MacBook and MacBook Pro are so close in price. Is it because one has a smaller screen but more memory even though the processor is not the greatest?
 

lowendlinux

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Linux is very user UNFRIENDLY and difficult to use and not many programs support Linux. So that's definitely a step down from Mac OS IMO.

I think the Google Nexus line is very lacking in user friendly features too. So Mac and iOS would be a ton better for sure. I think Android have improved a lot since.
It depends on your perception of user friendly.
 
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4RunnerHeaven

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PC laptops with dedicated GPUs (the ones that are better gaming wise) are worse in all those departments. If you look at ultrabooks (the ones that can compete in those departments), it's hard to beat the 15 inch MacBook Pro in terms of performance. The top of the line model has the best mobile CPU Intel offers for each generation

You need to keep dreaming. I owned a 2017 MBP 15", and can tell you it's not hard to beat it. And the MBP doesn't have the latest processors 7th gen only. 8th gen is already out. The XPS 15 beats the MBP 15 without any issues in battery life 16 hours vs 6-8 on the MBP, and performance. Even the new HP Spectre x360 15 does as well. https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/all-day-strong-longest-lasting-notebooks
 

DiamonDecoden

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May 26, 2011
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Speaking of the HP spectre. I really like mine a lot. I use it to take notes in one note and the battery life is wonderful. I got the 1080p version which i can tell the difference from the retina display. I still like it for the 2 in 1 function.
 

mikef07

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How come?
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What do you like about it?

1). Perfect weight and size
2). Runs OS
3). Best trackpad by far over anything else
4). Perfect keyboard compared to anything else
5). Great screen
6). Great battery life

I have a work laptop that is made by Dell which is similar size and weight and it doesn't come close to being as good as my MacBook Air. I will probably replace this Air (mid 2011) with a new one once it comes out but this thing still runs flawlessly.
 

thekb

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May 8, 2010
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2. I miss having Google integrated directly into my hardware. Say what you want about privacy issues or whatever but Siri is just a terrible voice assistant, and it looks like Apple is fine with the way she runs.


This I don't understand at all. I've used Siri extensively with my iPhone 6s+ and have recently had about 3 months exposure to Google Assistant on the Pixel 2. Hand down, Siri is superior.

Yes, GA has a wider range of functions such as more interactivity with settings: "change screen brightness to 10%"

But I fought with GA *constantly* to get it to understand what I wanted and to actually follow through. Dictating hands free messages is SO much easier on Siri.

"Tell my wife I will be home in 10 minutes" on Siri. She reads it back and asks if I want to send it.

On Pixel, I had to break it into separate steps: "Text my wife", wait for voice response, "I'll be home in 10 minutes", wait for it to display the message but won't read it back to me.

It doesn't seem like much more effort but on Siri it was nearly effortless.
 

convergent

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This I don't understand at all. I've used Siri extensively with my iPhone 6s+ and have recently had about 3 months exposure to Google Assistant on the Pixel 2. Hand down, Siri is superior.

Yes, GA has a wider range of functions such as more interactivity with settings: "change screen brightness to 10%"

But I fought with GA *constantly* to get it to understand what I wanted and to actually follow through. Dictating hands free messages is SO much easier on Siri.

"Tell my wife I will be home in 10 minutes" on Siri. She reads it back and asks if I want to send it.

On Pixel, I had to break it into separate steps: "Text my wife", wait for voice response, "I'll be home in 10 minutes", wait for it to display the message but won't read it back to me.

It doesn't seem like much more effort but on Siri it was nearly effortless.

Glad it is working for you. I think you are probably in the vast minority of folks that prefer Siri over virtually any other assistant.
 

Michael Goff

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This I don't understand at all. I've used Siri extensively with my iPhone 6s+ and have recently had about 3 months exposure to Google Assistant on the Pixel 2. Hand down, Siri is superior.

Yes, GA has a wider range of functions such as more interactivity with settings: "change screen brightness to 10%"

But I fought with GA *constantly* to get it to understand what I wanted and to actually follow through. Dictating hands free messages is SO much easier on Siri.

"Tell my wife I will be home in 10 minutes" on Siri. She reads it back and asks if I want to send it.

On Pixel, I had to break it into separate steps: "Text my wife", wait for voice response, "I'll be home in 10 minutes", wait for it to display the message but won't read it back to me.

It doesn't seem like much more effort but on Siri it was nearly effortless.

I just used GA on my P20 Pro, and it worked with the tell command .
 

cmiller4642

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Update:

3 months in and my iPhone X's headpiece was not working today. I called my dad and had to talk to him on speaker. Eventually I got it fixed by resetting the phone and turning off bluetooth. Phone is dropping signal at work still, and the 4G will stop working sometimes. My cheap little pair of bluetooth wireless earphones don't connect right sometimes, and oh I also went over my data cap for the first ever time (never happened on my S7)

This will be my last Apple product. I have never been this disappointed in a piece of high end tech. This is without a doubt the worst smartphone I have ever owned.
 

Dodgeman

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Update:

3 months in and my iPhone X's headpiece was not working today. I called my dad and had to talk to him on speaker. Eventually I got it fixed by resetting the phone and turning off bluetooth. Phone is dropping signal at work still, and the 4G will stop working sometimes. My cheap little pair of bluetooth wireless earphones don't connect right sometimes, and oh I also went over my data cap for the first ever time (never happened on my S7)

This will be my last Apple product. I have never been this disappointed in a piece of high end tech. This is without a doubt the worst smartphone I have ever owned.

I was disappointed in apple in some respects.
Wish there was a way to enjoy the tablet and the mac and still have the android device..
 

eltoslightfoot

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Feb 25, 2011
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Update:

3 months in and my iPhone X's headpiece was not working today. I called my dad and had to talk to him on speaker. Eventually I got it fixed by resetting the phone and turning off bluetooth. Phone is dropping signal at work still, and the 4G will stop working sometimes. My cheap little pair of bluetooth wireless earphones don't connect right sometimes, and oh I also went over my data cap for the first ever time (never happened on my S7)

This will be my last Apple product. I have never been this disappointed in a piece of high end tech. This is without a doubt the worst smartphone I have ever owned.

You should get it exchanged when it isn't working. My X has none, exactly none, of those issues.
 

bgro

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Jul 6, 2010
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I have an iPhone 8 Plus and it’s been by far my worst Apple experience (had every phone since the 3G. Whether it’s hardware or software (probably software) related I really don’t care. Android has its own issues and there are reasons I prefer iOS but ultimately if they don’t fix whatever iscausing the glitches then I’m out. This phone supposedly has the most powerful processor but it runs like dogsh*t. The best specs in the world don’t mean anything, in fact that’s what the Android fanboys used to use as reasoning that their phones were better. Apple needs to get it together for sure.
 

Ralfi

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Dec 22, 2016
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Update:

3 months in and my iPhone X's headpiece was not working today. I called my dad and had to talk to him on speaker. Eventually I got it fixed by resetting the phone and turning off bluetooth. Phone is dropping signal at work still, and the 4G will stop working sometimes. My cheap little pair of bluetooth wireless earphones don't connect right sometimes, and oh I also went over my data cap for the first ever time (never happened on my S7)

This will be my last Apple product. I have never been this disappointed in a piece of high end tech. This is without a doubt the worst smartphone I have ever owned.
Another example of an internet extreme opinion slamming a hugely successful product...

Your "cheap little pair of Bluetooth wireless earphones" are a sign you're not making the most of the smartphone. Invest in some Airpods or another decent pair to prevent those dropouts.

As for your other reasons for this device being the "worst smartphone I have ever owned", it's clear you've either got a dud or you just have a craving to hate on the phone manufacturer...
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I have an iPhone 8 Plus and it’s been by far my worst Apple experience (had every phone since the 3G. Whether it’s hardware or software (probably software) related I really don’t care. Android has its own issues and there are reasons I prefer iOS but ultimately if they don’t fix whatever iscausing the glitches then I’m out. This phone supposedly has the most powerful processor but it runs like dogsh*t. The best specs in the world don’t mean anything, in fact that’s what the Android fanboys used to use as reasoning that their phones were better. Apple needs to get it together for sure.
Another extreme opinion based on a singular experience. Most iPhone 8 Plus owners aren't suffering from glitches. It's obviously a faulty device or you have a unique App that's not playing nice...
 

eltoslightfoot

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In their defense, this is exactly how Surface Pros and Samsungs felt to me. They were always glitching out, and I got tired of replacing them. Went back to Apple for laptop, tablet, and iPhone. Problem solved.

No, the weird part is not wanting to solve the problem, but instead complain on an internet forum. Dude, get it replaced, and switch to android. If I had as bad an experience as you, that is what I would do. And actually what I did in reverse.
 
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