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AllergyDoc

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Always makes me laff when I read this, as if you are going to some niche barely heard of newbie software platform. Instead of a) the OS that runs the worlds computers and b) the mobile OS that runs 90 or so % of the world' mobile phones. Some risk, yeah..
Who said anything about risk? I didn't. People should pick the platform(s) that best suit their needs. Hopefully they'll be happy with their choice. I am. I wouldn't want to return to a Windows world for all my work (I run Win 10 in Parallels to run one app I need). I'm not sure about Android as I haven't had an Android phone since 2011.
 

kasakka

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I've been using nearly all the platforms on and off or simultaneously for years and each has their own set of issues.
  • Microsoft has incredible legacy baggage and constantly annoys users with the way Windows 10 is set up and makes no sense in many ways. Only reason I use it is gaming and being too lazy to boot to Hackintosh for desktop use at home. I like the Surface Pro hardware, it would be perfect for my work but the 12" model is just too small. If they made a 13-15" version I would buy one but I don't want the laptop Surface Book.
  • Google's Android is pretty dead on the tablet front but for phones it's my preferred OS. I like the way it works and it doesn't annoy me too often. Play Store is 90% crap with a poor layout but at least updates work. Phone manufacturers excluding Samsung are doing way, way too much of the exact same thing. There are barely any smaller phones available and the main differences are in how good their OEM software and updates are. I currently use a Oneplus 3 with LineageOS ROM and see very little reason to buy anything newer this year either.
  • Apple's OSX is a really good desktop OS. It has some occasional bugs and performance issues in some specific uses but overall it's easy to use, good looking and doesn't get in the way. For several years there have been no meaningful updates for the end user though so as a platform it's pretty stagnant.
  • iOS on the other hand is hit and miss. I can't believe that in 2018 it still does not support split screen multitasking on phone and on many apps on the iPad. Not having prediction for my native language (Finnish) is also ridiculous and likewise not requiring that 3rd party keyboards are properly iPad compatible is another flaw. I own an iPad Pro that works well enough but there's a lot of small quality of life things that could be done to make it easier to use. App Store is awful software that repeatedly stops downloading updates halfway through and is poorly designed.
  • Apple's hardware, excluding the iPad Pro, has taken a big nosedive over the last few years. I loathe my work 2016 MBP. Too big trackpad, awful quality keyboard, connecting anything quickly becomes dongle hell. iPhones are way, way too expensive for what they are. I think the iPhone X is a very good size for a phone but the notch business is not great and I'm not sold on using gestures over buttons. They really need to up their game to justify the pricing.
I think for future updates I would take a bigger Surface Pro tablet + 60% size mechanical keyboard for work, iPad Pro for traveling and an iPhone X size Android phone as..well, a phone. Unfortunately nobody makes two of these devices yet.
 

Applemaniac7

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Who said anything about risk? I didn't. People should pick the platform(s) that best suit their needs. Hopefully they'll be happy with their choice. I am. I wouldn't want to return to a Windows world for all my work (I run Win 10 in Parallels to run one app I need). I'm not sure about Android as I haven't had an Android phone since 2011.
So why the "good luck" remark?
 

4RunnerHeaven

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give me some good examples of why please.

How about you do that since you started it?
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Glad it works for you but what is superior is based on your needs. For me the x crushes any samsung phone. What fits my needs won't fit others.

Crushes? Smaller Screen, worse screen, smaller font, less battery life, no expandable memory, worse camera, no touch id, no headphone jack, worse audio, etc. Sorry, but the X is not as good.
 

apolloa

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Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
I like the X still overall, still don’t have one, in two minds now weather to just wait till the new ones are out? See if they do make them cheaper and if not pick up a cheaper X.
Not switching to Android anytime soon, like my Apple Watch integration too much :) and most of the iOS 11 bugs have been ironed out now even if my 6S battery can die in no time if I’m pushing the phone haha, but it isn’t magically turned off at 20 or 10% hmm funny that....
I see a new iPhone in my life this year. The new cameras are fantastic!
 

DiamonDecoden

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May 26, 2011
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I really like my note 8. If there's something I don't like, I just change it. I like that about android.

I just got the notice that my Rose gold HP 360 Spectre ( its a laptop and tablet in one- with the same surface stylus) shipped. . Yay. It comes with a free stylus- I upgraded to have tilt support!!! I have not regretted switching. I like getting most out of my electronics.

Apple is fine, its just very lacking for my use.
 

DiamonDecoden

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May 26, 2011
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The fact that Apple doesn't have a true 2-in-1 option is making me think i want to leave.
Yup. I have to have the iPad pro with a pencil and a macbook if I were to do that with apple . That is so heavy to haul around!

They have air drop but that's only a work around for having 2 devices. I have done that in the past but it does not beat the simplicity of an 2in 1 device. If it works out, I will sell my macbook and the pencil. I have not been disappointed with non Apple solution so far. So I am very hopeful.
 
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AustinIllini

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Oct 20, 2011
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Yeah, I'm trying a Yoga 920. So far I like it. The price is just so much better than the Mac I bought last year, so I can basically cover the entire cost of a 2-in-1 by selling the MacBook. I have two weeks to decide.
 
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SkyLinx

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Mar 24, 2018
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I switched away from everything Apple a couple of years ago and I regret it. I sold iMac/iPhone/iPad and switched to Linux and an Android phone (Google Nexus 6P) because I didn't want to "depend" on Apple for everything and for the costs. I regret it because I have missed macOS/iOS a lot in the meantime... I then used a Hackintosh for a while (for the macOS part) but I finally bought an iMac the other day and I may buy again an iPhone when I have the money. I really missed Apple products :)
 
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DiamonDecoden

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May 26, 2011
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I switched away from everything Apple a couple of years ago and I regret it. I sold iMac/iPhone/iPad and switched to Linux and an Android phone (Google Nexus 6P) because I didn't want to "depend" on Apple for everything and for the costs. I regret it because I have missed macOS/iOS a lot in the meantime... I then used a Hackintosh for a while (for the macOS part) but I finally bought an iMac the other day and I may buy again an iPhone when I have the money. I really missed Apple products :)
Linux is very user UNFRIENDLY and difficult to use and not many programs support Linux. So that's definitely a step down from Mac OS IMO.

I think the Google Nexus line is very lacking in user friendly features too. So Mac and iOS would be a ton better for sure. I think Android have improved a lot since.
 
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SkyLinx

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Mar 24, 2018
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Linux is very user UNFRIENDLY and difficult to use and not many programs support Linux. So that's definitely a step down from Mac OS IMO.

I think the Google Nexus line is very lacking in user friendly features too. So Mac and iOS would be a ton better for sure. I think Android have improved a lot since.

True.... Unfortunately at the time switching seemed a good idea :D
 

AustinIllini

macrumors G5
Oct 20, 2011
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Austin, TX
Well, I have mostly decided the Yoga 920 is just way too big in tablet mode, so I'll probably just stay with the MBP. I still do love the OS
 

ramram55

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Jul 27, 2012
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I switched away from everything Apple a couple of years ago and I regret it. I sold iMac/iPhone/iPad and switched to Linux and an Android phone (Google Nexus 6P) because I didn't want to "depend" on Apple for everything and for the costs. I regret it because I have missed macOS/iOS a lot in the meantime... I then used a Hackintosh for a while (for the macOS part) but I finally bought an iMac the other day and I may buy again an iPhone when I have the money. I really missed Apple products :)
Linux Mint 18.3 is what I am using with my decade old Laptops, with SSD drives and just keep my macbook pro for very few uses.
Samsung S8 is my main driver and never regret changing after using Iphones for the past few years.
 

TTTedP

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Nov 27, 2017
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Like any good drug, I think we all got hooked on Apple and depending on them for our next fix. When it was no longer doing the trick, we started to look around. I'm here to say it only goes downhill from there. Stick with what you know.
 

Dodgeman

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Nov 30, 2016
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I will give my .02 cents and it is long:

Been switching between Samsung & iPhones for last couple years.
Ended up with an iPhone 4 and you had to plug it in to do software updates said no thanks and switched to Galaxy S3.
That phone became laggy and froze a ton.
Switched to the 5s for 2 years and the 6s for another two and I had the iPad and as well with the Apple Watch and Apple TV.

Never used the Apple TV, liked the Apple watch a lot.

When the 6s started doing silly stuff with the battery and software updates and freezing and just random things happening I decided to make the jump.

1) Apple was too expensive.
2) Kept the same 4 year old design with a new design. Options right?
3) Really not at least a fast charging cable in the box?
4) More features in app store for the android and more features on the actual device. Real multi tasking and always on display!
5) Bettee water resistant and more durable. 6) CHEAPER!
7) Expandable memory.


Either way I miss the apple watch probably the most.
I switched to the Note 8 and my only complaints are SIZE & the fact I have too many options in settings.
I switched to the X to just try but I feel this year may be better for the X. (Bigger screen, cheaper, apps optomized for notch...)

Sent the X back and my only debate now is to go S9 or S9 Plus. Probably give the 8 to a relative due to size and the fact I do not use the S Pen or live messages.

I want the S9 due to size but the dual cameras are the biggest issue and battery life is a second if at all.
I do like the fact that the S9 has selective focus but the dual cameras and potrait mode on the s9 plus seem legit as well and that if the only thing holding me back from my final decision.

Last note: saw a mac book air on sale for $700 and wanted to buy it mainly due to price but then realized I would be tied to Apple again. DID NOT buy and price went up by $300 today so oh well I guess.

So whicb device the S9 or S9 Plus??
 

Dodgeman

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Nov 30, 2016
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The plus is not that much bigger. I know cause I have an S8 sitting right next to my S9+ as I type this. Go for the S9+, bigger battery, dual camera, and 6gb ram instead of 4gb.

Guess that what I have to do.
Will say the only downside I have seen is typing on the iPhone is so much more fluid by a long shot.
 

akuma13

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Honestly, I cannot take seriously laptop gamers. That's an horrible trade-off. Gaming laptops will never be good gaming computers because physics, and they are terrible laptops because of weight, dimensions, and poor trackpad. If you want to game, you will be better off with a desktop PC. Stick with a slim, lightweight, and ergonomic laptop for when you are on the move.

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A lot of PC laptop users would scoff at this. Believe it or not, PC laptops have come a long way and you can get a dedicated graphics cards that can play A+ PC games at a fraction of the cost of a barebones MacBook. They can be reasonably thin, lightweight and well designed. Of course the smaller the footprint, the higher the price.
 

DanielDD

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A lot of PC laptop users would scoff at this. Believe it or not, PC laptops have come a long way and you can get a dedicated graphics cards that can play A+ PC games at a fraction of the cost of a barebones MacBook. They can be reasonably thin, lightweight and well designed. Of course the smaller the footprint, the higher the price.

I'm not saying PC laptops didn't come a long way. They simply are "trade-off" machines.
They are not as good as desktops for serious gaming (think about modding games to the limit, overclocking, upgradability).
They are not as good as laptops for portability (weight, dimensions, poor trackpad, poor battery life).

Much better to have both. For people that cannot pay for it, they have to live with the trade-offs.
 

mib1800

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I'm not saying PC laptops didn't come a long way. They simply are "trade-off" machines.
They are not as good as desktops for serious gaming (think about modding games to the limit, overclocking, upgradability).
They are not as good as laptops for portability (weight, dimensions, poor trackpad, poor battery life).

Much better to have both. For people that cannot pay for it, they have to live with the trade-offs.

I bought the MBA and it was a piece of crap costing twice as much. It was the worst mistake I have made.
 
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