I hope too that the next Mac Pro would have support for at least AMD GPUs. It'll let 5,1/7,1 users last a bit longer. Also reviving the trashcan would look cool, but I don't think this would be a good idea in terms of positioning given that the Mac Studio exists, and if a hypothetical trashcan turns out to be more expensive than the M2 Ultra Mac Studio, I could only fear what would be the cost of a big tower AS MP.
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MP All Models 40 core ASI with PCI-E slot is around the corner!!
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OMG not aware on this, make sense at least why "Chinese" euphoric on the WWDC23 Logo, now see this:The only reason why i don’t dismiss immediately this speculation:
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Apple Researching Mac Pro's 'Cheese Grater' Design for Other Devices Like iPhone
Apple is researching expanding the 2019 Mac Pro's distinctive "cheese grater" lattice design to other devices, including the iPhone and a...www.macrumors.com
Ladies and gentlemen, seems Apple doing what apple unapologetically does...
Hopefully maybe keep it black.
I have no big hopes on this new trashcan to include discreet ram modules but still possible as a trashcan easy allows installing discreet ram, maybe UpTo 8 LPDDR5 UpTo 384Gb on consumer ram and 4tb on server RAM, my sources soldier on discreet RAM coming also storage but not m.2 and maybe not STD DIMM neither.
The cheese grater/trashcan hybrid makes sense for such dense ram configuration.
The cheese grater/trashcan hybrid makes sense for such dense ram configuration.
Please let this be true. If it's another trash can, I'm buying the second it's on sale. I looove my 2013 trash can and the ONLY reason I would avoid the nMP is if it's a giant tower. That design is heavy, unnecessary, and antiqued.
Assuming apple opted this path, at least allows Year to year consistent updates, and likely much cheaper than mp7,1 close to the trashcan pricing.
The only reason why i don’t dismiss immediately this speculation:
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Apple Researching Mac Pro's 'Cheese Grater' Design for Other Devices Like iPhone
Apple is researching expanding the 2019 Mac Pro's distinctive "cheese grater" lattice design to other devices, including the iPhone and a...
That is a cheesy design patent that are relatively cheap to do that Apple can just add to their stack of 'stuff'. One of those "my patent pile is larger than yours" kind of moves.
An iPhone with gobs of holes in its cover is going to meet IPxx waterproofing standards how???? It is just not. Apple is trying to put fewer holes into the iPhone case not more ( e.g., haptic buttons for volume and mute. )
Very expensively drilling extra holes into the 'tube' case of the old Mac Pro isn't going to do diddly squat to avoid the 'painted into the corner' thermal problems it had. It would just be an even more expensive thermodynamic fail than the original.
What Apple is going for here is trying to keep the copy-cats on the applying the technique to other enclosures at bay. Not real Apple products.
The central core that requires uniformly three side thermal balance actually gets even more goofy with Apple Silicon and larger more single monolithic packages. Going to get even more likely won't have the same thermal output on all three sides. ( never-mind the ridiculous overlap with the Mac Studio. )
This is the crux of all the arguments for the trashcan fans. People say "Aw yeah what a great machine, love the trashcan". Okay, why? They say they love how it looks, but that's about it.
The device is completely polar opposite to the Mac Studio, which one could argue looks completely understated (can be either a good or bad thing) but is way more functional and has dramatically better cooling.
Can't but this guy seems also goes there
What I Think We’ll See at WWDC23 - Mark Ellis Reviews
Now we know WWDC23 Is taking place on June 5th, these are my predictions for everything from the Mac Pro to Apple VR!markellisreviews.com
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Does he really go there???? He labels his proceeding reference to a trash can as a joke.
Whatever even a factual mind like yours should admit too many coincidences not just on rumours which seem incoherent as no m2 extreme, instead two M2-Ultra (still 4 m2max but no m2 extreme), M2-max includes double sized buses indeed new UltraFusion foresee double capacity.
Still pending on what seems an eGPU or compute module what it would be. But this trashcan cheese grater hybrid perfectly fits everything apple wants from us, and admit the trashcan is so divisive something Apple marketing enjoy.
They're in a similar price range, and given that it could never fully replace the cMP (like the Mac Studio can't fully replace the MP7,1), that's enough reasons for me to compare them (even if the Studio is a better product than the trashcan ever was) and not want a new trashcan despite its looks.
First, the hemisphere rainbow is in the center of Apple's courtyard .. since the event is at Apple HQ ... some HQ reference.
Second, The front edge of the AR googles are far more a hemisphere than the MP 'tube" is.
Kuo: Apple Mixed-Reality Headset May Not Appear at WWDC as Mass Production Pushed Back Yet Again
Apple has again pushed back mass production of its mixed-reality headset and the device may not appear at this year's Worldwide Developers...
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Top down view of the headset leaving only the outer profile as to not reveal any details. It is a hemisphere to fit the front of a roundish human face. If there is any LIDAR/range finding sensor on the front even better symbolic fit with the 'waves' in front.
Headset not going into mass production until after WWDC is prefect fine it all getting is a "sneak peak". iPhone didn't go into mass production at the same time it was announced. iPad ... nope. Watch .. nope . Mac Pro 2019 ... nope. Mac Pro 2013 ... nope . Has there been any major new product with a hefty hardware component aspect the required a new OS that was cranking full blast when introduced in last 15 years ... no.
If Apple is going to introduce a new Operating system ... WWDC is the probably the best place to do that at this stage. Already have 5 other ones to cover.
Inventing a match of that invite to the Mac Pro is mainly just trolling for clicks from an audience desperate for information.
Two Big Apu (about 160W each) easy fits the old trashcan TDP (400W) while the cheese grater walls allow natural convection cooling on RAM modules which could be boosted by aerodynamic indirect suction from main cooling fan without detriment on thermal core airflow. Of course this new cheese grater trashcan hybrid will be fatter than 2013 on the same TDP. IMHO fits perfect, both apple philosophy, design language and ASi capabilities and design control.
Everything it's an Big homage to Steve Jobs inspiration; Apple Park was Jobs final project.First, the hemisphere rainbow is in the center of Apple's courtyard .. since the event is at Apple HQ ... some HQ reference.
Second, The front edge of the AR googles are far more a hemisphere than the MP 'tube" is.
Kuo: Apple Mixed-Reality Headset May Not Appear at WWDC as Mass Production Pushed Back Yet Again
Apple has again pushed back mass production of its mixed-reality headset and the device may not appear at this year's Worldwide Developers...
Top down view of the headset leaving only the outer profile as to not reveal any details. It is a hemisphere to fit the front of a roundish human face. If there is any LIDAR/range finding sensor on the front even better symbolic fit with the 'waves' in front.
Headset not going into mass production until after WWDC is prefect fine it all getting is a "sneak peak". iPhone didn't go into mass production at the same time it was announced. iPad ... nope. Watch .. nope . Mac Pro 2019 ... nope. Mac Pro 2013 ... nope . Has there been any major new product with a hefty hardware component aspect the required a new OS that was cranking full blast when introduced in last 15 years ... no.
If Apple is going to introduce a new Operating system ... WWDC is the probably the best place to do that at this stage. Already have 5 other ones to cover.
Inventing a match of that invite to the Mac Pro is mainly just trolling for clicks from an audience desperate for information.
Now explain what shadows over that rainbow Apple park inspired circles?
isn’t the image a clear reference to the horrible fresnel lenses in headsets? Oth I really hope apple has a better solution
RAM with some modest discretion ... ( i.e., no 'pimp my ride' LED lighting). Yeah that is pretty safe bet from Apple. Apple tends not to put any "pimp my ride' detailing inside of any of there systems.
Discrete RAM though ... very probably not.
Same thing here. No LED lighting GPU or 'pimp my ride' color scheme.
Apple sell a 'compute accelerator' maybe. Apple sell a primary display GPU ... I wouldn't bet on that. Apple's track record with highly optimized and smooth AMD hardware and driver stack is only a bit less bumpy than Apple's ride with Intel that caused them to part ways.
The thermal disconnect with Apple's plans for the MP 2013 was a much AMD's fault as it was Intel's. ( the very long gap to Polaris through the not so effect 'Fury' and missed deadlines rollout of RNDA sequence. In terms of overall execution not all that much better than how Intel was delivering. AMD was getting better in 2018-2020 , but at that point the dye was cast for full stream ahead on Apple Silicon. )
If Apple is going to run the Intel and Apple Silicon product side-by-side for a while in the market then 'forking' the case would be highly dubious. It isn't going to help either product to push them into a more expensive (lower economies of scale) case.
[ Apple kept the Mini line split between Intel and M-series for two years. One year split on Mac Pro wouldn't be odd. ]
Same thing for the rack mount case which has an even bigger need for better economies of scale cost controls.
What if we could choose chassis? Tube, tower or rack? Same basic compute module that can be housed in either? Then just buy and replace with new compute modules as time marches on.
Shadows? That whole imagery is layered on solid black. Most of the black there is because it is black.
The darker parts in the arcs? The arcs are a chroma spectrum ( not blocks of solid color like the rainbow amphitheater ) and are just a more artistic blend than the rigid simple chunks of color. Also again, it is more representative if there are multi-spectrum sensors mounted on this device. If headset can see in more than just 'normal' RGB light then it really can augment reality (that is limited to just normal human vision range).
I admit looking back it's hard to eat, but I've very strong cues on this, but maybe no STD ram modules but something proprietary or locked to apple maybe on the cards, workstation ram is where it needs more flexibility than "pimp my ride" as some people needs 4tb ram most likely will be happy with 32-64gb having a product appealingly so different needs quite difficult with soldered modules.
I agree, but Apple is working on new GPU or compute accelerators for the Mac Pro (widely known), so it either comes as an egpu-like device or as an maintenance upgrade for old MP7,1
Rack mountable Mac Pro 7,1 didn't sell, actually seeing one it's like seeing a ultra rare unicorn. I doubt Apple even recycling or up-cycling the cheese grater to bother on offering the most niche among the most ultra niche product they sell.
Highly unlikley to happen. The only way go to choose tower/rack is because got zero choice on what the main motherboard looked like. A completely shared logic board.
Apple is not likely to do 3 different logic boards for three different subsegments of what is already a relatively highly niche market.
The "tube" has been covered by the Studio. There is no huge desktop footprint differential there. ( 6.6x6.6 vs 7.7x7.7 inches approximately an inch isn't a show stopper difference. ). The 9.9 height of the tube limited the GPU card length also ( e.g., pragmatically a thermal and memory capacity limiter ) .
Big 'if' of Apple putting the SoC into a socket. It is even more unlikely though that would get long term longitudinal compatibility between sockets even if on odd chance Apple used one. There is about zero good reason for Apple to build something like that. Apple isn't in the same business as Intel/AMD of selling CPU packages to 3rd parties so they can build systems. The packages that Apple builds goes into an extremely limited set of systems also completely designed by Apple. Apple has zero need limit next-iteration performance in order to sell "compute modules" to 3rd parties.
I am more thinking in the line that the compute module would be the whole
“Raw” computer with the chassis only adding IO and slots. Need no slots? Got for the tube! New need: add a card? Just buy a new chassis and plug in the compute module. Need a power server? Just use the 4u rack that takes 4 compute modules…. Hehe. Would be cool anyway 😂
“Raw” computer with the chassis only adding IO and slots. Need no slots? Got for the tube! New need: add a card? Just buy a new chassis and plug in the compute module. Need a power server? Just use the 4u rack that takes 4 compute modules…. Hehe. Would be cool anyway 😂
Decoupling the Studio's Ultras from the Mac Pro's Ultra makes about zero economic sense . Apple's primary strategy overall with their spectrum of silicon efforts is NOT to make as many SoCs as possible. Apple's strategy has been to use SoCs in as many systems as they can. "build once , use in multiple systems".
A 'dead end' M2 Ultra for Mac Pro and then skip Studio do M3 and then go back to Mac Pro Ultra M4 ... when did they get to take a break to recoup Ultra design investment? They don't. All that does is thin out the recoup even thinner.
I can certainly see Apple either staying on the odds ( M1 , M3 , M5 ) or evens ( M2 , M4 , M6) for the larger SoCs. The relative volume is so low that need a 18-24 cycle to get to economies of scale product to amortize the development over . ( large die GPU and mega package CPUs aren't really moving faster than that either. )
If both systems are on a M (n+2) update cycle then there is plenty of time during that extended cycle to update both systems with some gaps inbetween to that don't overwhelm M n Ultra production. Do one of those .... wait 5-6 months to get out of initial demand bubble and then do the next one. Still going to have another 6-12 months to go until a new SoC is coming along.
And with long cycles like that it would make more sense to time the update with the process shrink moves, IMHO. Unless trying to absolutely minimize risk by picking the trailing edge node implementation each time ( M2 , M4 ) . I suspect that is so low risk though that will fall behind competition over the long term with the extended length update cycles.
If the original of this thread was correct and there was an "just around the corner" M1 Ultra/Extreme that Apple abandoned in 2022 then a M2 solution doesn't seem likely. If following the (n+2) cadence then the M3 Ultra/Extreme would have been the "next man up" to recover from that cancellation. The longer this drags into 2023 pulling an M3 Ultra 'forward' for release makes far more sense than trying to quickly do a M2 Ultra that may have never planned to do in the first place. By Q4 of 2022 engineering samples for a M3 Ultra on TSMC N3 would be very feasible given N3 was going into HVM status in Q4. It likely could have made some high quality packages a 1-2 months before HVM started.
The iMac is skipping the M2 because Apple is cheap ( i.e., Scrooge McDuck reasons that a comatose product that is allocated zero R&D has better margins ) far more so than the M3 is bring something 'magically necessary' to the iMac. If there was a technology sticking point it would more likely be the panel/screen technology availability problem at the price point that the iMac needed to be profitable at target levels that was the issue. That delay would be the primary 'cause' of synching up with the M3; not the M3 in and of itself.
I would not buy it. How is it different than a studio? And the studio is just a worse version of the trashcan. I don't think this rumor works at all. The rumor is it will use the same case. Perhaps they will ALSO update the Studio to have the better processor, because why not.
Anyway, if this is all they offer, A that is not a Mac Pro anymore than the trashcan was (which was a disaster requiring an actual apology tour from apple, so I see this rumor as totally not making sense), and B, not something I'll be buy-in. And lastly C, that is the end of apple as a professional option.
That said, apple likely will not care and continue it's better funded "John Sculley" decline.