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[Rodimus Prime]

Please, they are still getting panned for that one. Lets also not forget consumer affairs nice little article that was blasted all over the internet and even made the prime time news.

That is right, when do you hear about the lawsuits and deaths caused by the toyota fisasco. Oh wait that is right you don't.

Give me a break. You are just as bad as others, only difference is you are on the other side of the fence.

We don't hear to much about the nice little hole google dug themselves into regarding snagging the wifi names do we? Nope.... Hmmmm. Guess they too should be media darlings like Apple.

defrence on both of those is those companies did not try to go on the cover up like Apple did. Google more or less owned up to it and fix it. Toyota once it hit the media as far as I could tell they started owning up. The first part on Toyota were they knownly used a bad part while they looked for a fix is another matter but once it hit the media did either one of them go about trying to cover up and drag everyone else under the bus or try to. Now if they had try to cover it up and deny it then it would of been a much larger issue but it was Apple cover up that got them the heat.

Apple gets got heat and it was nice to see Apple cook over that one after all the stuff in the past they got away with.

With so many of them being DOA to the market? I'll wait until I see some that are actually competitive before I'll spend time (and in some cases money) on a longshot.

So for you it will be never because you live in Apple RDF. You have the Apple label=good. No Apple Label= Crap. No matter what it is. Also as multiple ones of us have pointed out you have failed to respond to the original question short of your canned not Apple label=crap answer.

 

[kdarling]

I think we all know how to take the CR review in retrospect. No point in even bringing it up.

Then it sounds like we're in agreement

Just because one or more sites pan a product, be it a phone or a movie, that does not always mean it's a commercial or popular failure.

If you want to evaluate reviews, you have to see and try things for yourself.

ANY non-iOS device that gets panned critically and is dismissed as a non-competitor does not deserve my attention.

Not all devices have to compete with the iPad. For instance, if you need a 7" tablet to take notes on, the iPad isn't even in the running.

 

[*LTD*]

Not all devices have to compete with the iPad. For instance, if you need a 7" tablet to take notes on, the iPad isn't even in the running.

That's absolutely right.

However, market-wise, nearly every device that bears any significant resemblance to the Apple product in the same market will be compared to the Apple product, unfortunately. Always. By the media, by users, by critics. In fact, we've also seen products in entirely different categories be compared to an Apple device that has some of the same functionality.

The comparisons usually favour Apple. In fact, if your device is compared to the Apple device in the same category, you face an uphill battle by default, unless you've introduced something earth-shaking.

Samsung and HP and RIM can scream at the top of their lungs that their devices are for "business users" (which is usually done after failing to gain traction in the wider market), but the comparisons will still be made. A side-effect of the Apple-led Post-PC era is that the line between "business users" and "average users" is becoming blurred. The whole "it's for business users" argument is making less sense by the day.

Then it sounds like we're in agreement

Just because one or more sites pan a product, be it a phone or a movie, that does not always mean it's a commercial or popular failure.

If you want to evaluate reviews, you have to see and try things for yourself.

No. You'll get the odd exception. However, critical reviews usually reflect market performance. This is why Consumer Reports' assessment was regarded as so odd.

The exception proves the rule.

So for you it will be never because you live in Apple RDF.

There is no such thing when Apple is the one defining reality.

You have the Apple label=good.

Because it is. Apple's reputation naturally precedes them.

No Apple Label= Crap.

Which has been the case so many times it's difficult to count.

Yet another one to add to the pile:

http://www.neowin.net/news/end-of-the-road-for-wi-fi-blackberry-playbook#comments

Also as multiple ones of us have pointed out you have failed to respond to the original question short of your canned not Apple label=crap answer.

I did respond. I'm sorry it's not enough for you. Where's the "multiple" part? You and someone else?

Tomorrow should be fun. More "reality defining" stuff to swallow.

 

[roadbloc]

Because it is. Apple's reputation naturally precedes them.

That is your opinion and does certainly not speak for the everyone, or even the majority of people, like you think it does.

 

[RWinOR]

That is your opinion and does certainly not speak for the everyone, or even the majority of people, like you think it does.

I would have to agree with LTD on this one. Most of my friends are NOT fans of Apple. But they all agree when it comes to quality, Apple is number one.

They just like running windows because of the software choices, and the fact they can replace their own failed hardware.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I would have to agree with LTD on this one. Most of my friends are NOT fans of Apple. But they all agree when it comes to quality, Apple is number one.

They just like running windows because of the software choices, and the fact they can replace their own failed hardware.

deference is your friend at least can form their own opinion. LTD well uses Apple fan logic which makes apple Fans look like idiots. Thank you LTD for keeping that going. We really like looking like idiots because we do like Apple products.

I am honestly dreading his post tomorrow which I am expecting to be over the top and saying look look everyone else sucks.
He has failed to respond to the question. His link to playbook is not that the playbook sucks but more I would call it a massive marketing failure on RIM. They failed to really market the strengths of it and were it really shines. Instead they market Flash. Sorry but that is just one piece of it. People who used it more than just a quick review and I mean got to know it see were it is really good. Big time when you team it up with blackberry.

LTD logic is look at sells only but refuses to form a object opinion about trying to I don't know really uses the device or read reviews that lack a direct comparison with the iPad. Of all the different tablet devices the one that has me really the most interests is the Galaxy tab 10.1. It is running a tablet OS instead of a glorified phone OS. The HP one has my attention as well but Galaxy tab 10.1 would more than likely be the one I would buy. Motorola screwed up the Xoom launch.

 

[*LTD*]

That is your opinion and does certainly not speak for the everyone

It speaks for anyone who hasn't been living under a rock for the past 5 years.

Not liking reality is cool and all, but denying it wholesale is just bizarre.

deference is your friend at least can form their own opinion. LTD well uses Apple fan logic which makes the rest of us look like well idiots.

Apparently it's the closest thing to reality. It's just "logic"; no modifier needed. That last part is entirely up to the individual.

I am honestly dreading his post tomorrow which I am expecting to be over the top and saying look look everyone else sucks.

Reality can be a bitch, I know. Acceptance is your friend.

He has failed to respond to the question. His link to playbook is not that the playbook sucks

Uh yeah, it does. And does it ever. Everyone knows it. Except of course RIM. Which comes as absolutely no surprise, given what they've done to themselves. They've been committing slow suicide since June 2007.

but more I would call it a massive marketing failure on RIM.

But they told us "amateur hour" was over.

(when in fact they were giving an exclusive sneak preview to it.)

They failed to really market the strengths of it and were it really shines.

Probably because it doesn't really have anything worth making it an attractive choice.

Instead they market Flash. Sorry but that is just one piece of it. People who used it more than just a quick review and I mean got to know it see were it is really good. Big time when you team it up with blackberry.

Inform the market asap, because they aint listening. There's no amount of marketing any "strengths" that would have resurrected this thing. It was already dead in the womb.

LTD logic

Is your dose of reality. In clever prose. And it's free.

 

[RWinOR]

deference is your friend at least can form their own opinion. LTD well uses Apple fan logic which makes apple Fans look like idiots. Thank you LTD for keeping that going. We really like looking like idiots because we do like Apple products.

I am honestly dreading his post tomorrow which I am expecting to be over the top and saying look look everyone else sucks.

So if you are dreading LTD's post tomorrow, you are already expecting Apple to report over the top numbers. The only way Apple can keep the momentum going and increase quarter after quarter is if the general population agrees that Apples reputation precedes them. They are number 1 for quality.

I am looking forward to tomorrows numbers. It will prove very interesting indeed.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

So if you are dreading LTD's post tomorrow, you are already expecting Apple to report over the top numbers. The only way Apple can keep the momentum going and increase quarter after quarter is if the general population agrees that Apples reputation precedes them. They are number 1 for quality.

I am looking forward to tomorrows numbers. It will prove very interesting indeed.

oh I am fulling expecting them to have another great quater and I also fully expect them to do some standard Apple Level marketing BS in it that is well nothing more than BS. People like LTD will take that BS and treat the BS part as fact and not try to see threw it to the truth.

Marketing is well marketing which is BS at its best.

 

[*LTD*]

People like LTD will take that BS and treat the BS part as fact and not try to see threw it to the truth.

What's the truth?

 

[rhett7660]

oh I am fulling expecting them to have another great quater and I also fully expect them to do some standard Apple Level marketing BS in it that is well nothing more than BS. People like LTD will take that BS and treat the BS part as fact and not try to see threw it to the truth.

Marketing is well marketing which is BS at its best.

How are the numbers going to be BS? If the number are there or not there how is this going to be BS? How are those numbers not going to be FACT??

 

[rhett7660]

defrence on both of those is those companies did not try to go on the cover up like Apple did. Google more or less owned up to it and fix it. Toyota once it hit the media as far as I could tell they started owning up. The first part on Toyota were they knownly used a bad part while they looked for a fix is another matter but once it hit the media did either one of them go about trying to cover up and drag everyone else under the bus or try to. Now if they had try to cover it up and deny it then it would of been a much larger issue but it was Apple cover up that got them the heat.

Apple gets got heat and it was nice to see Apple cook over that one after all the stuff in the past they got away with.

So for you it will be never because you live in Apple RDF. You have the Apple label=good. No Apple Label= Crap. No matter what it is. Also as multiple ones of us have pointed out you have failed to respond to the original question short of your canned not Apple label=crap answer.

Excuse me. Did you not see what toyota did to try and cover up the mistake? It took an act of congress to bring out the truth.

Maybe this will help you remember:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-g-baker/the-toyota-coverup_b_462187.html

From all of the evidence now coming to light, Toyota's instinct was not to fix the problems, but to minimize them, even negotiating with (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration ) NHTSA to get them to ignore some of the reports. Safety of their customers was clearly not their top priority. So let's call it what it was: a coverup.

There are plenty more like this if you just google them. Oh they did try to cover it up. But then again, since you are sooo opposed to anything Apple, I am sure you will spin this to your liking.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

How are the numbers going to be BS? If the number are there or not there how is this going to be BS? How are those numbers not going to be FACT??

Numbers is not what I was talking about. It will be from the qa part. I expect pop shots at everyone else. Numbers would be my 10% of it. Everything will be marketing.

 

[roadbloc]

It speaks for anyone who hasn't been living under a rock for the past 5 years.

I guess the majority of these 'average users' have been living under a rock then. I know many people who don't use any Apple product and are perfectly happy with their Windows laptop and their Android mobile. Because that is what the majority of average users are using and experiencing without any hiccups.

 

[MonkeySee....]

I guess the majority of these 'average users' have been living under a rock then. I know many people who don't use any Apple product and are perfectly happy with their Windows laptop and their Android mobile. Because that is what the majority of average users are using and experiencing without any hiccups.

These two words really don't belong in the same sentance

 

[AAPLaday]

They should have introduced a minimum spec or something. So that all phones have to have a minimum of 800 MHz CPU or similar. Kinda like MS with WP7. By setting minimum limits they can help improve the user experience of those on a budget. Let Bada or Meego have the low end market. But i guess they want it all.

 

[*LTD*]

Numbers is not what I was talking about. It will be from the qa part. I expect pop shots at everyone else. Numbers would be my 10% of it. Everything will be marketing.

None of what you're saying makes any sense.

 

[MonkeySee....]

This thread will be very interesting once this China Mobile thing is sorted.

 

[voonyx]

I guess the majority of these 'average users' have been living under a rock then. I know many people who don't use any Apple product and are perfectly happy with their Windows laptop and their Android mobile. Because that is what the majority of average users are using and experiencing without any hiccups.

They're using it because they have no choice. Coverage and carriers are more important to people then OEMs. The numbers on the earnings calls will show that the iPhone outsells all the 4G phones on Verizon combined.

Android needs numbers to defeat iOS, and even then they're only at 36% share. Apple has one phone that commands 26% share. I think the marketshare numbers are more a testament to Apple then Android.

 

[kdarling]

In related numbers:

Google just announced that the number of Android activations has hit 130 million.

Most of those are phones, so it's a good guess that total Android phone activations have, or are about to, come even with the total number of iPhone sales (*).

iOS still has the numerical activation lead with 80 to 100 million additional devices in the form of the iPod touch and iPad.

(*) 108 million iPhones as of 3/2011, plus sales of ~20 million per quarter = ~128 million now. Perhaps we'll find out from the earnings call for sure.

 

[*LTD*]

They're using it because they have no choice. Coverage and carriers are more important to people then OEMs. The numbers on the earnings calls will show that the iPhone outsells all the 4G phones on Verizon combined.

Android needs numbers to defeat iOS, and even then they're only at 36% share. Apple has one phone that commands 26% share. I think the marketshare numbers are more a testament to Apple then Android.

This is the real story behind the numbers.

 

[roadbloc]

They're using it because they have no choice. Coverage and carriers are more important to people then OEMs.

What do you mean they have no choice? People are held at gunpoint to buy Android based phones and Windows based laptops?

Carriers have nothing to do with it, or at least, not here in the UK. The carriers have pretty much equal coverage to one another (some are marginally better than others, but essentially it pales into insignificance, I've never heard of anyone worry about signal coverage when buying a phone.)

I'll tell you why people choose Android and Windows over iOS and OS X. It is the price. People see a Android phone and an iPhone. Android phones usually have no initial price when signing onto a contract, I had to pay an additional £99 for my iPhone when signing onto the contact. On top of that, the data plan is usually cheaper despite providing the same content. And finally, the iPhone cannot do anything an Android phone can't.

Why should people pay more for essentially the same thing?

 

[kdarling]

The numbers on the earnings calls will show that the iPhone outsells all the 4G phones on Verizon combined.

Nice number manipulation.

If you're going to leave out all the 3G Android phones in such a comparison, why not do that for both and compare how well the 4G iPhones are selling against all the 4G Android phones?

Oh, wait.

 

[voonyx]

What do you mean they have no choice? People are held at gunpoint to buy Android based phones and Windows based laptops?

Carriers have nothing to do with it, or at least, not here in the UK. The carriers have pretty much equal coverage to one another (some are marginally better than others, but essentially it pales into insignificance, I've never heard of anyone worry about signal coverage when buying a phone.)

I'll tell you why people choose Android and Windows over iOS and OS X. It is the price. People see a Android phone and an iPhone. Android phones usually have no initial price when signing onto a contract, I had to pay an additional £99 for my iPhone when signing onto the contact. On top of that, the data plan is usually cheaper despite providing the same content. And finally, the iPhone cannot do anything an Android phone can't.

Why should people pay more for essentially the same thing?

What I mean is the iPhone wasn't available on their carriers and so they opted for Android phones. The minute the iPhone went to Verizon it shattered every record, and when the earnings call is done you'll see that it's still shattering every record.

Maybe saying "they had no choice" was not the best way to word it, but what I meant is people are not going to leave their carrier to get a phone. As iPhone expands to other carriers you can clearly see that they're still on top. There are 300+ android phones worldwide and the iPhone is still outselling hundreds of them COMBINED. Only an fool (or an android fanboy) would try to ignore that fact.

Oh and I apologize, I was speaking about the US as far as carriers were concerned. That's the reason why Android has been such a force in the US.

Nice number manipulation.

If you're going to leave out all the 3G Android phones in such a comparison, why not do that for both and compare how well the 4G iPhones are selling against all the 4G Android phones?

Oh, wait.

You can include the 3G Android phones too...not going to make a difference. All the 3G and 4G android phones will barely outsell one iPhone (if they even do outsell them). I only used the 4G example because android fanboys swear that everyone cares about 4G...

 

[MonkeySee....]

What do you mean they have no choice? People are held at gunpoint to buy Android based phones and Windows based laptops?

Carriers have nothing to do with it, or at least, not here in the UK. The carriers have pretty much equal coverage to one another (some are marginally better than others, but essentially it pales into insignificance, I've never heard of anyone worry about signal coverage when buying a phone.)

I'll tell you why people choose Android and Windows over iOS and OS X. It is the price. People see a Android phone and an iPhone. Android phones usually have no initial price when signing onto a contract, I had to pay an additional £99 for my iPhone when signing onto the contact. On top of that, the data plan is usually cheaper despite providing the same content. And finally, the iPhone cannot do anything an Android phone can't.

Why should people pay more for essentially the same thing?

Are you mad? Anybody who wants any sort of signal will not touch 3 Mobile. Step out of a city and you can kiss Orange goodbye. T-Mobile are worthless. o2 are good but their 3g coverage is appalling.