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No. No no no.

There's a concept called common sense. You don't get to promote your highlights and leave behind weak points. The 8gb of ram of the MacBook Pro is a weak point. It's not hate.

You brought up a red herring argument as if that's what we are debating. Cool, every company promotes their highlights, because 16gb of ram is not as important of a marketing point as the latest display. Let's make up ridiculous arguments like the gold inlay computer with 8gb of ram instead.

As we are seeing, computers around the world are in significant needs of RAM as a result of AI, gaming, increasing OS demands, and companies phasing out of integrated solutions thanks to EU and Chinese laws. The 512mb comparison was made exactly to showcase how it was still poor back when I was kid (around 2009) and how it applies to 8GB of RAM today.

And you and Apple are basically pissing against the wind and saying 8gb of ram is fine because lots of people are fine with it and their workloads. Cool, based on this logic, may I direct you to Linux or perhaps an IBM AT?

I mean I can fake a customer satisfaction survey too by giving the right computer to a specific market.
Yeah, and it’s common sense to continue to offer a well-liked lower cost base model with 8GB of RAM…

It’s not a red herring to point out the other factors that drive the cost of the computer. You may deem display quality as inconsequential, but most buyers would likely disagree with you. I don’t think people would be lining up to buy a computer with a CRT display… And the computer that is the topic of this debate is very reasonably priced considering the cutting-edge hardware. The RAM is only a part of that value proposition, not the entirety, so you are making unreasonable claims when you try to ignore all of the other expensive hardware.

Recognizing the reality that 8GB is more than enough for a lot of people, and that they sell very well, is just recognizing reality. And many people prefer macOS over Linux…

Yeah, all of the data is just “faked” when it isn’t convenient for you… 😂🤣🙄🤦🏼‍♂️
 
Yeah, and it’s common sense to continue to offer a well-liked lower cost base model with 8GB of RAM…

You don't have any data on whether it's "well-liked". Nor on whether 6, 4, 2, or 1 GiB wouldn't be equally "well-liked". Nor on whether that still applies across the typical time of ownership, which is somewhere between 3 and 5 years for a laptop. Will 8 be as good an experience in macOS 18 as it is in macOS 15.0? No.

 
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You don't have any data on whether it's "well-liked". Nor on whether 6, 4, 2, or 1 GiB wouldn't be equally "well-liked". Nor on whether that still applies across the typical time of ownership, which is somewhere between 3 and 5 years for a laptop. Will 8 be as good an experience in macOS 18 as it is in macOS 15.0? No.
High sales and high customer satisfaction indicate that it’s very likely well-liked.
 
Yeah, and it’s common sense to continue to offer a well-liked lower cost base model with 8GB of RAM…

It’s not a red herring to point out the other factors that drive the cost of the computer. You may deem display quality as inconsequential, but most buyers would likely disagree with you. I don’t think people would be lining up to buy a computer with a CRT display… And the computer that is the topic of this debate is very reasonably priced considering the cutting-edge hardware. The RAM is only a part of that value proposition, not the entirety, so you are making unreasonable claims when you try to ignore all of the other expensive hardware.

Recognizing the reality that 8GB is more than enough for a lot of people, and that they sell very well, is just recognizing reality. And many people prefer macOS over Linux…

Yeah, all of the data is just “faked” when it isn’t convenient for you… 😂🤣🙄🤦🏼‍♂️
You haven't provided any data regarding the "customer satisfaction" and it's not correlated to how much ram a computer has so your argument is still dodgy.

16gb ram is just plain better, period. The 8gb ram model should not exist. RAM chips are some of the cheaper components to produce on a mass level.

High sales is just not an argument. Lenovo and the others have high sales too. You don't even provide concrete numbers, just say "high level of customer satisfaction" which can technically be 51%, too. Furthermore, who were the subjects of this "customer satisfaction" survey you keep citing?

This whole "customer satisfaction" thing reminds me of that referendum the russians did when annexing Crimea. The proponent of the "survey" was also the one in position of power. Same here.

Moving on, bringing up all the technology a MacBook Pro has is still irrelevant. Of course it's a good machine and useful for some people. The discussion was how moral was it that they're selling the 8gb model going forward. It just doesn't have any applications in real-life besides apple making money.

Build quality, sure, great, but it's not like other manufacturers were struggling with that in the first place. The display is one of the best in the market. That's great. But we were arguing the morality of Apple's business practices.
 
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No. No no no.

There's a concept called common sense. You don't get to promote your highlights and leave behind weak points. The 8gb of ram of the MacBook Pro is a weak point. It's not hate.

You brought up a red herring argument as if that's what we are debating. Cool, every company promotes their highlights, because 16gb of ram is not as important of a marketing point as the latest display. Let's make up ridiculous arguments like the gold inlay computer with 8gb of ram instead.

As we are seeing, computers around the world are in significant needs of RAM as a result of AI, gaming, increasing OS demands, and companies phasing out of integrated solutions thanks to EU and Chinese laws. The 512mb comparison was made exactly to showcase how it was still poor back when I was kid (around 2009) and how it applies to 8GB of RAM today.

And you and Apple are basically pissing against the wind and saying 8gb of ram is fine because lots of people are fine with it and their workloads. Cool, based on this logic, may I direct you to Linux or perhaps an IBM AT?

I mean I can fake a customer satisfaction survey too by giving the right computer to a specific market.

Honestly no point wasting your energy. Either the other person is trolling or they're so far gone in this parasocial relationship with a corporation that there's no saving them lol.

When Apple Intelligence rlly picks up and we start to see features being left behind on these "just fine" 8GB machines that are barely a few years old, then I think people will finally change their tune.
 
8GB OR 16GB really doesn't matter for quite most of the people out there, its more then enough what they would ask for, but for heavy loader people it make so much sense to custome order or even start with 16G✌🏽
 
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Honestly no point wasting your energy. Either the other person is trolling or they're so far gone in this parasocial relationship with a corporation that there's no saving them lol.

When Apple Intelligence rlly picks up and we start to see features being left behind on these "just fine" 8GB machines that are barely a few years old, then I think people will finally change their tune.
It's not trolling, it's psychological. The folks who bought 8GB machines don't necessarily want to feel like they made a bad investment, so it leads to people being a little bit more biased in favor of their own use cases and hardware. It's understandable.

Objectively speaking, having used both 8GB and 16GB systems, the difference is noticeable. Apple really should be offering 16GB as a base for the price that the pro systems are priced at.
 
It's not trolling, it's psychological. The folks who bought 8GB machines don't necessarily want to feel like they made a bad investment, so it leads to people being a little bit more biased in favor of their own use cases and hardware. It's understandable.

Objectively speaking, having used both 8GB and 16GB systems, the difference is noticeable. Apple really should be offering 16GB as a base for the price that the pro systems are priced at.
Fair enough, then I understand tbh. Hard pill to swallow after spending that much and being at risk of being deprecated sooner than later.

I agree, it is even noticeable for casual use. So many people keep multiple browser tabs open. Just for that use case alone, more RAM is beneficial. And then for more power users who would benefit from 32+GB of ram and get priced out because the upgrade is so exorbitent...

Tbh, if Apple just made RAM upgrades more justifiably priced, I'd be able to swallow the rest of the cost because there really is no machine like it on the market. But the RAM pricing is so egregious, that it kinda ruins the rest of the product for me.

The worst part is, they know exactly what they're doing so I don't think we will ever see fair pricing.
 
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It's not trolling, it's psychological. The folks who bought 8GB machines don't necessarily want to feel like they made a bad investment, so it leads to people being a little bit more biased in favor of their own use cases and hardware. It's understandable.

Objectively speaking, having used both 8GB and 16GB systems, the difference is noticeable. Apple really should be offering 16GB as a base for the price that the pro systems are priced at.
What’s psychological is arguing you know better how to run Apple then Apple does, and insisting there aren’t uses for the 8GB models and they shouldn’t exist… If you want more, then buy more. But don’t raise the cost for all of us (which would likely be the result of raising the base spec RAM configuration), just for what? Status? Many of us are happy to save some money by getting the base spec because it’s more than sufficient for our needs. Why do you feel the need to take that option away? How does that benefit you, other than maybe saving $100 at most on the 16GB version?
 
The point is that Apple takes full advantage of this and saves a buck on every unit sold while knowing very well these machines have significantly shorter long-term values.

That people, inclunding posters here, use machines for a long time debunks that theory
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The labor theory of value implies more work for a 16GB slot, but we're at the point where it's not a big problem anymore.

Ricardo, Smith and Karl had some valid points but modern economics views value flowing to inputs rather than vice versa.

Plenty of people buy an 8GB model and use it all the way through its software support life of around 7 years.

There you go bring facts into an internet argument
Just because you couldn’t or wouldn’t do so doesn’t mean others wouldn’t. 8GB is more than enough for hundreds of thousands of base spec customers.

As many users prove every day.

You consider 8GB to be a “suboptimal conscious choice”, but that’s merely your opinion and nothing more… I think it’s a great choice. And apparently so do hundreds of thousands of base-spec customers who buy the 8GB models and have high customer satisfaction…

Exactly.
 
You haven't provided any data regarding the "customer satisfaction" and it's not correlated to how much ram a computer has so your argument is still dodgy.

16gb ram is just plain better, period. The 8gb ram model should not exist. RAM chips are some of the cheaper components to produce on a mass level.

High sales is just not an argument. Lenovo and the others have high sales too. You don't even provide concrete numbers, just say "high level of customer satisfaction" which can technically be 51%, too. Furthermore, who were the subjects of this "customer satisfaction" survey you keep citing?

This whole "customer satisfaction" thing reminds me of that referendum the russians did when annexing Crimea. The proponent of the "survey" was also the one in position of power. Same here.

Moving on, bringing up all the technology a MacBook Pro has is still irrelevant. Of course it's a good machine and useful for some people. The discussion was how moral was it that they're selling the 8gb model going forward. It just doesn't have any applications in real-life besides apple making money.

Build quality, sure, great, but it's not like other manufacturers were struggling with that in the first place. The display is one of the best in the market. That's great. But we were arguing the morality of Apple's business practices.
https://www.cultofmac.com/831288/mac-consumer-satisfaction-acsi-survey-2023/

There are others as well, basically Mac customer satisfaction scores have seen record highs over the past few years. If nobody found the base spec models to be useful, and everyone hated them, we wouldn’t expect to see them selling in such quantities and being the main models to be stocked in stores.

It’s relevant to the price you were criticizing. You’re arguing a $1400 laptop shouldn’t have 8GB of RAM, but that’s a silly argument because it completely ignores the other expensive hardware of the device. Most people don’t make their value assessment based on RAM, but rather things they find more important like display quality…

Most Windows craptops aren’t anywhere close to the same build quality…

Selling products is now immoral? They’re a business, not a charity. Nobody is forcing customers at gunpoint to buy a base spec model. There’s nothing immoral about selling a product that many people buy and find useful…
 
https://www.cultofmac.com/831288/mac-consumer-satisfaction-acsi-survey-2023/

There are others as well, basically Mac customer satisfaction scores have seen record highs over the past few years. If nobody found the base spec models to be useful, and everyone hated them, we wouldn’t expect to see them selling in such quantities and being the main models to be stocked in stores.

It’s relevant to the price you were criticizing. You’re arguing a $1400 laptop shouldn’t have 8GB of RAM, but that’s a silly argument because it completely ignores the other expensive hardware of the device. Most people don’t make their value assessment based on RAM, but rather things they find more important like display quality…

Most Windows craptops aren’t anywhere close to the same build quality…

Selling products is now immoral? They’re a business, not a charity. Nobody is forcing customers at gunpoint to buy a base spec model. There’s nothing immoral about selling a product that many people buy and find useful…
So let's say i buy a fridge and use it. Does it do its job? Yes, then I'm happy and forget about it. That's the problem with customer satisfaction surveys in general.

They're like such a small piece of the puzzle they might as well not matter. Your appliance, the macbook, does its job.

Ignoring the "expensive hardware of the device".... No. This is basically distracting from the business choice apple made. Raving about the screen when a laptop will start struggling pretty soon is disingenuous. 8GB of RAM is just too little for that price.

lol @ windows craptops. do you live in a corporate office with glass windows? No? then this argument can be thrown in the bin. Next

Selling products has always been moral as long as the manufacturer trusts you and has enough leverage. Apple doesn't satisfy either condition when they sell you a macbook pro for 1700 euros with 8gb of ram.
 
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What’s psychological is arguing you know better how to run Apple then Apple does, and insisting there aren’t uses for the 8GB models and they shouldn’t exist… If you want more, then buy more. But don’t raise the cost for all of us (which would likely be the result of raising the base spec RAM configuration), just for what? Status? Many of us are happy to save some money by getting the base spec because it’s more than sufficient for our needs. Why do you feel the need to take that option away? How does that benefit you, other than maybe saving $100 at most on the 16GB version?
but you? do you run apple?

It's wild people believe publicly traded companies like Apple have their consumers in mind when they design the same laptop for a while now. Yes, they take quite some time to make business decisions, but that's first and foremost in benefit of Apple, and their shareholders, and only then their consumers.

We have seen apple release an 8gb model since I'd say they're hoping to attract students who aren't very interested in these intrincacities. That Xiaomi laptop for $500 meanwhile, has 16GB of RAM and does its job as an appliance (yeah yeah, bring up the screen and the battery life all you want, but the amount of RAM is more important for long-term functionality).
 
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It's wild people believe publicly traded companies like Apple have their consumers in mind when they design the same laptop for a while now. Yes, they take quite some time to make business decisions, but that's first and foremost in benefit of Apple, and their shareholders, and only then their consumers.

What I am trying to say ultimately is that faith in a corporation doesn't come out of nowhere. People believe in religion without seeing proof because they are taught to believe when they grew up. People trust their spouses because they are in love and want to believe that this feeling is mutual. I trust Apple as a company because they have earned that trust by offering me a significantly better user experience over the last 13 years. It's not a religion or life partner issue, but a purchasing decision. If one day I feel like this trust isn't there anymore, I simply sell my stuff and move on.

But for the moment at least, I will say from personal experience that my priorities are pretty aligned with Apple, which is why I have continued to purchase their products ever since I got my first iMac in 2011. And the reality is that 8 gb ram continues to suffice for me today because my computing needs haven't really changed since 2020, and I wager there are plenty more people like me. We are the majority, most don't browse Macrumours, and that just means that sentiments such as "everyone needs 16gb ram minimum" aren't really representative of user needs. What more when Apple also controls macOS and is able to optimise it to run on less ram compared to a windows PC manufacturer who can only bank on bundling more ram to power through any inefficiencies in windows.

A laptop with more ram but a crap display might perhaps fly with a company looking to cut costs, but as an individual consumer who gets to decide what matters and what doesn't in a product? I find it funny that people are claiming a good screen and trackpad don't matter when these are literally what I interact with every single day. To be honest, I believe this is the number one reason why so many people continue to read Apple wrong year after year. There is too much emphasis on raw specs (to them, a trackpad is a trackpad, regardless of quality) and not enough on the overall package and the end user experience (more ram isn't going to magically fix your windows trackpad issues).

And if the day ever comes that 8gb ram no longer suffices for me, I am okay with either buying a new MBA model with more ram, or getting a pro model that comes with more ram. I think too much digital ink has been spilt over what is really a reluctance to pay a little more money for better specs and an entitlement by some folks to free stuff. To which I say - the deal's the deal. You know what you are getting upfront. Buy or don't buy, the choice is entirely yours. But I don't think Apple is being dishonest here.

Finally, at the rate my MBA is going, I honestly feel I will sooner end up upgrading to a newer model simply because my fingers are itching to buy something new, rather than because 8 gb ram no longer works for me. It's really been a great 4 years, and I will say that Apple silicon has paid for itself many times over. 8 gb ram, 256gb storage and all.
 
What I am trying to say ultimately is that faith in a corporation doesn't come out of nowhere. People believe in religion without seeing proof because they are taught to believe when they grew up. People trust their spouses because they are in love and want to believe that this feeling is mutual. I trust Apple as a company because they have earned that trust by offering me a significantly better user experience over the last 13 years. It's not a religion or life partner issue, but a purchasing decision. If one day I feel like this trust isn't there anymore, I simply sell my stuff and move on.

But for the moment at least, I will say from personal experience that my priorities are pretty aligned with Apple, which is why I have continued to purchase their products ever since I got my first iMac in 2011. And the reality is that 8 gb ram continues to suffice for me today because my computing needs haven't really changed since 2020, and I wager there are plenty more people like me. We are the majority, most don't browse Macrumours, and that just means that sentiments such as "everyone needs 16gb ram minimum" aren't really representative of user needs. What more when Apple also controls macOS and is able to optimise it to run on less ram compared to a windows PC manufacturer who can only bank on bundling more ram to power through any inefficiencies in windows.

A laptop with more ram but a crap display might perhaps fly with a company looking to cut costs, but as an individual consumer who gets to decide what matters and what doesn't in a product? I find it funny that people are claiming a good screen and trackpad don't matter when these are literally what I interact with every single day. To be honest, I believe this is the number one reason why so many people continue to read Apple wrong year after year. There is too much emphasis on raw specs (to them, a trackpad is a trackpad, regardless of quality) and not enough on the overall package and the end user experience (more ram isn't going to magically fix your windows trackpad issues).

And if the day ever comes that 8gb ram no longer suffices for me, I am okay with either buying a new MBA model with more ram, or getting a pro model that comes with more ram. I think too much digital ink has been spilt over what is really a reluctance to pay a little more money for better specs and an entitlement by some folks to free stuff. To which I say - the deal's the deal. You know what you are getting upfront. Buy or don't buy, the choice is entirely yours. But I don't think Apple is being dishonest here.

Finally, at the rate my MBA is going, I honestly feel I will sooner end up upgrading to a newer model simply because my fingers are itching to buy something new, rather than because 8 gb ram no longer works for me. It's really been a great 4 years, and I will say that Apple silicon has paid for itself many times over. 8 gb ram, 256gb storage and all.
Exactly, very well put! 👍🏻
 
So let's say i buy a fridge and use it. Does it do its job? Yes, then I'm happy and forget about it. That's the problem with customer satisfaction surveys in general.

They're like such a small piece of the puzzle they might as well not matter. Your appliance, the macbook, does its job.

Ignoring the "expensive hardware of the device".... No. This is basically distracting from the business choice apple made. Raving about the screen when a laptop will start struggling pretty soon is disingenuous. 8GB of RAM is just too little for that price.

lol @ windows craptops. do you live in a corporate office with glass windows? No? then this argument can be thrown in the bin. Next

Selling products has always been moral as long as the manufacturer trusts you and has enough leverage. Apple doesn't satisfy either condition when they sell you a macbook pro for 1700 euros with 8gb of ram.
And the fridge seems to be doing it’s job perfectly fine for lots and lots of people. So claiming this is some kind of scandal or Apple is being “dishonest” somehow makes absolutely no sense… You essentially seem to be upset that there’s a fridge configuration available without an ice-cube maker built-in…. But not everyone cares about that…

“…when it will start struggling soon…”. So do you have a crystal ball you haven’t told us about? My 8GB Mac is running macOS Sonoma just fine, and not anywhere close to struggling. It doesn’t even struggle running Blender. This is just you stating your opinion as fact again. But it’s merely opinion and nothing more…

And again, average customers tend to care more about display quality than they do RAM spec. It doesn’t require gobs of RAM to stream shows and games. A good quality display will make a bigger difference for those things. Again, you can try to pretend that the other hardware doesn’t factor into the cost, but that isn’t reality. And while you seem to think things like sound system quality, battery runtime, and display quality aren’t important, many many average customers would disagree with you.

Do you do professional graphic design and create 3D projects for a living? No? Then this argument can be thrown in the bin. Next. This is actually a logical fallacy, btw, it’s a faulty appeal to authority. Don’t get me wrong, Windows works ok for some, but I consider it crap. That’s my subjective opinion, not a fact.

As long as the manufacturer trusts you? What the heck is that supposed to mean, lol! 😂. The business provides a product or service. You as the customer evaluate whether you would like to buy said service or product from them. If you think the product they provide is worth the asking price and want to purchase it, you purchase it. If you don’t think it’s worth the asking price, you can move on and look at other options. Nobody’s holding customers at gunpoint and forcing them to buy something that’s supposedly a “bad value”. And “bad value” is a fairly subjective thing. Because it depends on the aspects of the product the customer values. If the RAM chip is the only thing the customer values, then they should get a computer with the RAM chip they want. If someone values the display, the ecosystem, the hardware quality, etc., then they will value an option that offers those things. Some people value Windows running as the native OS on their computer. Others like myself value macOS. There’s nothing “immoral” about Apple providing a lower cost option for those who want the nicer display, sound system, more ports, and longer battery runtime, but don’t need gobs of RAM. It’s really very simple. If people like you want more RAM, you can buy one of the many upgrade configuration options that exist, or you can buy a computer from someone else you like better and don’t think is “immoral” and “misleading” people… 🙄
 
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but you? do you run apple?

It's wild people believe publicly traded companies like Apple have their consumers in mind when they design the same laptop for a while now. Yes, they take quite some time to make business decisions, but that's first and foremost in benefit of Apple, and their shareholders, and only then their consumers.

We have seen apple release an 8gb model since I'd say they're hoping to attract students who aren't very interested in these intrincacities. That Xiaomi laptop for $500 meanwhile, has 16GB of RAM and does its job as an appliance (yeah yeah, bring up the screen and the battery life all you want, but the amount of RAM is more important for long-term functionality).
I don’t claim to know how to run Apple better than Apple is running itself… I trust they’ll do what they believe they need to in order to succeed. I don’t think I know better than they do what configurations of their products they should be offering…

I believe Apple has their consumers in mind because they have their own interest also in mind. As a business owner myself, you don’t attain success by not caring at all about your customers. Apple consistently scores among the highest for customer satisfaction. That’s part of why people choose to go with Apple over other computer companies in the first place. Because they make a quality product that lasts and offers unique advantages over the competition.

For YOU that may be true that RAM “matters more for longterm functionality“, but that is not true for everyone. You may not care about the quality of display you interact with every day and want to watch shows on, and stream games on, but many many people actually do care about the display quality, battery runtime, and sound system quality. A computer that doesn’t get me through a busy work day is worthless to me. One with a poor quality display that I can’t use for my design work is also useless. You clearly don’t care about these things, but also clearly don’t represent most average customers…
 
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So let's say i buy a fridge and use it. Does it do its job? Yes, then I'm happy and forget about it.
It's the same with a computer, and for many users 8GB is enough of a fridge.

To use your fridge analogy, the 16GB argument is like someone saying:

"Yes, the fridge works for you today because you only use it to keep things cool and open it a few times. But in the future you may want to buy a lot more stuff and open it every few minutes so you should only be able to buy one 2x as big ; because well, you may need that in 4 or 5 years. It doesn't matter if your current one is fine, because I need a bigger one you do to."

That Xiaomi laptop for $500 meanwhile, has 16GB of RAM and does its job as an appliance (yeah yeah, bring up the screen and the battery life all you want, but the amount of RAM is more important for long-term functionality).

The amount of ram is irrelevant when the battery's dead.
 

Apple: 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD is fine in 2024.
Professionals: Not really, we need 512 GB SSD 64 GB RAM now so NO DEAL.
Apple: OK FINE, then we will increase the minimum RAM to 16 GB.

Well Apple finally listened and will make 16 RAM and 512 GB SSD the minimum base specs in the cheapest M4 Macs.
 
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It's the same with a computer, and for many users 8GB is enough of a fridge.

To use your fridge analogy, the 16GB argument is like someone saying:

"Yes, the fridge works for you today because you only use it to keep things cool and open it a few times. But in the future you may want to buy a lot more stuff and open it every few minutes so you should only be able to buy one 2x as big ; because well, you may need that in 4 or 5 years. It doesn't matter if your current one is fine, because I need a bigger one you do to."

The amount of ram is irrelevant when the battery's dead.
Exactly, what good is a computer with excess RAM that I don’t need, but less battery runtime, an OS I don’t find suitable for my workflow, and a display that’s dreadful and I won’t be able to use for my design projects and enjoy my content on? This hyper-fixation on one chip spec at the expense of all other considerations makes no sense…

And your fridge analogy is better than mine. Essentially some are insisting that we all need a larger fridge size that they want, and there shouldn’t be a smaller capacity fridge option because they don’t consider that enough for anyone. It’s silly. If the smaller capacity fridges are selling well, and many customers are buying them, then why should they not continue to be an option?
 
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Apple: 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD is fine in 2024.
Professionals: Not really, we need 512 GB SSD 64 GB RAM now so NO DEAL.
Apple: OK FINE, then we will increase the minimum RAM to 16 GB.

Well Apple finally listened and will make 16 RAM and 512 GB SSD the minimum base specs in the cheapest M4 Macs.

What’s the starting price of these 16gb ram Macs?
 
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What’s the starting price of these 16gb ram Macs?
I hope they stick with 8GB RAM base spec for the M4 Macs. I take these rumors about the base specs for M4 Macs as 16GB with a heavy dose of salt because they’re from the same sources who’ve been whining and crying about 8GB and I think they were claiming similar things before the M3 Macs released.
 
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I hope they stick with 8GB RAM base spec for the M4 Macs. I take these rumors about the base specs for M4 Macs as 16GB with a heavy dose of salt because they’re from the same sources who’ve been whining and crying about 8GB

It will be interesting to see what Apple does with RAM and pricing; as well as the Air and Pro differentiation. It's inevitable they move to 16 at some point, just as they did from 4 to 8 or 16k to 64k. RAM demands increase over time, but that does not mean 8GB is somehow insufficient for many current users.

I think they were claiming similar things before the M3 Macs released.

Clickbait
 
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It will be interesting to see what Apple does with RAM and pricing; as well as the Air and Pro differentiation. It's inevitable they move to 16 at some point, just as they did from 4 to 8 or 16k to 64k. RAM demands increase over time, but that does not mean 8GB is somehow insufficient for many current users.

Clickbait
Yeah, eventually when Apple deems it time they will up the base spec, I just hope they don’t up the base spec price for everyone who doesn’t need extra RAM just because of all the whining from the clickbaiters. 👍🏻
 
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