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MAFcz

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Just checked Compressor can utilise both VCE and UVD
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It's definitely don't working. I tried compressor again base on monitor activity everything was doing CPU. I tried activation again and still It doesn't work. But why Final Cut use GPU during encoding (I think it use just 30% of GPU)? And base on video proc h.264 decoder and encoder is available.

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h9826790

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It's definitely don't working. I tried compressor again base on monitor activity everything was doing CPU. I tried activation again and still It doesn't work. But why Final Cut use GPU during encoding (I think it use just 30% of GPU)? And base on video proc h.264 decoder and encoder is available.

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What encode setting you use in Compressor?
 

h9826790

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Normally I use Publish to Youtube or Vimeo. I also have custom MPEG-4 but this setting is really similar to Public to Youtube.

I just tested Publish to Youtube preset (Up to 4K). It able to use hardware acceleration without any problem.

Are you using Compressor 4.4.2?
 

startergo

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Some strange results in:
Luxmark single RX-580 and multiple cards

Unigine (lower results with 3 cards)
single RX-580 and multiple cards
 

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h9826790

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Some strange results in:
Luxmark single RX-580 and multiple cards

Unigine (lower results with 3 cards)
single RX-580 and multiple cards

For Unigine Heaven, only single monitor is connected?

I spotted there is a little difference in setting (window vs fullscreen), but usually full screen will have better result. So, this shouldn't be the cause.

However, for multi card's case, you must connect the monitor to the RX580, and the Unigine window only stay on the screen that connected to the RX580. Otherwise, there is no guarantee that it's the RX580 handling the OpenGL.
 

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For Unigine Heaven, only single monitor is connected?

I spotted there is a little difference in setting (window vs fullscreen), but usually full screen will have better result. So, this shouldn't be the cause.

However, for multi card's case, you must connect the monitor to the RX580, and the Unigine window only stay on the screen that connected to the RX580. Otherwise, there is no guarantee that it's the RX580 handling the OpenGL.
2 screens connected. I started Unigine from the screen with the Titan, but for some reason the test performed on the next screen (RX-580)
 

orph

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I assume if you get activity monitor GPU use window open you can just see what GPU is working as a simple way to see what's going on (or istats, vram use will be interesting to).
if you want to test just drag it to display two see what happens, swap primary display in system prefs see what happens and so on.
 

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Could be. But Luxmark combines card's powers as it shows almost Vega64 performance.

Yeah, LuxRender can usually combine GPU compute power quite well.
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I assume if you get activity monitor GPU use window open you can just see what GPU is working as a simple way to see what's going on (or istats, vram use will be interesting to).
if you want to test just drag it to display two see what happens, swap primary display in system prefs see what happens and so on.

From memory, once the OpenGL window is opened, it will lock to that graphic card, move that windows across to another display won't change to another GPU.

I did this test something like 4 years ago. Not sure if anything change now, but since there is no OpenGL development in the last few years, I bet still the same.
 
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orph

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the video editing apps iv used let you chose what GPU to use for compute which makes life simple too.
plus iv never tryed or needed dual GPU.
 

stockholm80

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Happy to report that the latest beta 10.14.6 (18G59b) fixed my freeze issue when changing the desktop background. Everything is running smoothly so far.

I used the hexedit method and needed to reapply the patch after the OS update. It looks like the update reverted the framework to the previous version.
 
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Happy to report that the latest beta 10.14.6 (18G59b) fixed my freeze issue when changing the desktop background. Everything is running smoothly so far.

I used the hexedit method and needed to reapply the patch after the OS update. It looks like the update reverted the framework to the previous version.

Just did the update and no update for the AppleGVA.framework.
Screenshot 2019-06-26 at 5.49.45 AM.png


But of course, the update can still include that AppleGVA.framework, and replace your modded one.

I usually revert the framework to the original before apply update. So that I don't need to re-do the mod if no update for the AppleGVA file. Even it's replaced by the update, my modded backup file is already there, just swap it back in, and the hwaccel will be activated on the fly.
 
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stockholm80

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Just did the update and no update for the AppleGVA.framework.
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But of course, the update can still include that AppleGVA.framework, and replace your modded one.

I usually revert the framework to the original before apply update. So that I don't need to re-do the mod if no update for the AppleGVA file. Even it's replaced by the update, my modded backup file is already there, just swap it back in, and the hwaccel will be activated on the fly.

Good idea. Will definitely do that next time. I noticed that it was the same version as well. It just overwrote the modded one with the default one I guess.
 

MAFcz

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I just tested Publish to Youtube preset (Up to 4K). It able to use hardware acceleration without any problem.

Are you using Compressor 4.4.2?

I am finally back in office and I check it. I didn't notice that there is an update (I don't use automatic updates) and I had Compressor 4.4.1. Now I have Compressor 4.4.4 and it's working :)

I know that is stupid mistake and I should check it first. Thanks so much for helping!
 
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Chung123

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I've been running my 5,1 without the acceleration hack for a week now and while I miss the rush of speed, I get my stability back.

Such a shame not to be able to tap into the full potential. (And it appears the new upcoming 10.14.6 doesn't make any changes?)

I wish there is a way to turn on and off the acceleration on the fly.(without rebooting). Having the system lock up and requiring a reboot makes the system too untrustworthy.
 

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I've been running my 5,1 without the acceleration hack for a week now and while I miss the rush of speed, I get my stability back.

Such a shame not to be able to tap into the full potential. (And it appears the new upcoming 10.14.6 doesn't make any changes?)

I wish there is a way to turn on and off the acceleration on the fly.(without rebooting). Having the system lock up and requiring a reboot makes the system too untrustworthy.

The hex edit method can turn hwaccel ON / OFF without reboot.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/activate-amd-hardware-acceleration.2180095/page-9#post-27442938

I made two simple apps by Automator to turn them ON / OFF on the fly.
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I am now running 10.14.6 beta 2 as my primary OS. And keep hwaccel ON 24/7. All I can say is zero freeze so far. However, unless there is a reproducible way to create system freeze for RX580, I really can't tell if it's more stable or nothing change. My system seems belongs to the "stable group". I tried many many FCPX / Compressor / AE tests, still can't get it freeze.

I know you tried the hex method already, still unstable. But may be you missed the part that we can turn ON / OFF hwaccel without reboot (I edited that post).

Anyway, another users reported that the latest beta fixed his freeze issue. Not sure if that means anything to you, but at least a sign that something is changed.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...re-acceleration.2180095/page-12#post-27491463
 
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Kubat

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The hex edit method can turn hwaccel ON / OFF without reboot.


I am now running 10.14.6 beta 2 as my primary OS. And keep hwaccel ON 24/7. All I can say is zero freeze so far. However, unless there is a reproducible way to create system freeze for RX580, I really can't tell if it's more stable or nothing change. My system seems belongs to the "stable group". I tried many many FCPX / Compressor / AE tests, still can't get it freeze.

I know you tried the hex method already, still unstable. But may be you missed the part that we can turn ON / OFF hwaccel without reboot (I edited that post).

Anyway, another users reported that the latest beta fixed his freeze issue. Not sure if that means anything to you, but at least a sign that something is changed.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...re-acceleration.2180095/page-12#post-27491463

It looks like you have Pixlas mod on your rx580, I believe it could be power management thing
I ordered Vega 56 which doesn't have any of such problems - will see, if not I'll do the pixlas mod
 

h9826790

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It looks like you have Pixlas mod on your rx580, I believe it could be power management thing
I ordered Vega 56 which doesn't have any of such problems - will see, if not I'll do the pixlas mod

No, definitely not power management issue.

The RX580 only has single 8pin, Pixlas mod or not makes no difference.

So far, all evidence points to this freezing issue only exist on Polaris GPU. More likely driver / OS issue.
 

bazza5938

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Also having some issues, I changed from Lilu/WhateverGreen to the hex edit method, as I was getting some lockups, both using FCPX, and just generally using h264 acceleration, skipping ahead in videos in VLC caused it, along with random things within Final Cut, adding titles, skimming, no one thing in particular, and it was a strange lock up, mouse movement still worked, but no display updates, no caps lock etc. Anyway, changed over, and things were working great, then one day it just stopped, checked my AppleGVA.framework and the changes were still in there, but nothing was showing I could get hardware acceleration, so re did it, and things started working again, however the one thing I'm having an issue with is the Aerial screensaver (I know, 3rd party, not really a big issue, but still) it streams video and downloads it for playback, but it just doesn't work, can't even use the screensaver system prefs pane when it's selected, disable the mod by moving the old one back in and it's fine. I will do some debugging on this myself, start logging from it and see where we're getting the crash, not that it's likely to be fixable by me, just would be interesting to see what the issue is.
 
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h9826790

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Also having some issues, I changed from Lilu/WhateverGreen to the hex edit method, as I was getting some lockups, both using FCPX, and just generally using h264 acceleration, skipping ahead in videos in VLC caused it, along with random things within Final Cut, adding titles, skimming, no one thing in particular, and it was a strange lock up, mouse movement still worked, but no display updates, no caps lock etc. Anyway, changed over, and things were working great, then one day it just stopped, checked my AppleGVA.framework and the changes were still in there, but nothing was showing I could get hardware acceleration, so re did it, and things started working again, however the one thing I'm having an issue with is the Aerial screensaver (I know, 3rd party, not really a big issue, but still) it streams video and downloads it for playback, but it just doesn't work, can't even use the screensaver system prefs pane when it's selected, disable the mod by moving the old one back in and it's fine. I will do some debugging on this myself, start logging from it and see where we're getting the crash, not that it's likely to be fixable by me, just would be interesting to see what the issue is.

Thanks for the report, any info helps.

If you have spare drive, may be you can try 10.14.6 beta (18G59b). One of the user here reported this beta fixed his freezing issue. Not sure if make any difference in your case. But since it's just a beta OS. You better only do this on your spare drive.
 

donvito4ever

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At this moment I was revert the change in AppleGVA.framework becouse my systems turns very unstable... I will wait till 10.14.6 arrives to turn on the hack again...

If I try to change the background image, system freezes (mouse works, but nothing more) and I have to poweroff by power button... and when system restart, if i'm not fast and change the window's prefs to other settings than image's background, system freezes again...

At this moment I have the Sapphire Pulse RX580 Gb reference card but I don't know if will be best solution to change to Vega64 (288€ at this moment) or the problems will be the same...
 
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