Buy the phone in Hong Kong and you will have TWO SIM trays! 💡Buy an iPhone outside the us and you will have a SIM tray. Sucks, but its a solution.
Buy the phone in Hong Kong and you will have TWO SIM trays! 💡Buy an iPhone outside the us and you will have a SIM tray. Sucks, but its a solution.
Apple understands it, but they also likely collect a cut from eSIM carriers, so it's an easy choice for Apple.
Apple quit the Chinese market? Yeah right.Since China doesn’t support esim, I’m curious if Chinese iPhone will be the last model that has physical sim in a few years. Or apple is forced to quit Chinese market.
Apple quit the Chinese market? Yeah right.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they expand that to more countries next year. They started in their home market where they are the dominant phone maker.Apple should have made this change a global one if they truly wanted to force Carrie’s hands. . Now they’ve just alienated international users.
Not ones sold in the USA.Will the Unlock version of the IPhone14Pro series have Physicial sim ?
Plus it gives the Apple consumer the opportunity to buy a second iPhone for when they are traveling. Why buy one when you can have two at twice the price?Apple understands it, but they also likely collect a cut from eSIM carriers, so it's an easy choice for Apple.
Best answer here 🤣👌🏼Buy the phone in Hong Kong and you will have TWO SIM trays! 💡
I have the prepaid plan as well. So really no option to continue that plan without a SIM card? I wasn’t planning on getting a new phone this year but will have to look at plans again next summer when my prepaid plan runs out.I’m on their prepaid plan too. Why can’t this be offered in eSim? Maybe they will offer it now that this is probably the direction companies will go?
Precovid I traveled for work extensively...250,000+ butt in seat air miles per year at least, and never used local sims. For the longest time I was on Google FI because I just loved being able to land anywhere and have full speed data. With the reduction in travel due to Covid, I have had time to reconsider my approach.Perhaps someone can talk me off the cliff here
I am not just posting this to be that person that says "THAT'S IT, I RAGE QUIT" so somehow virtue signal against what is popular.
I have family in the Philippines and when I travel, I immediately remove my SIM and put in one of the carriers there.
HECK, pre-covid they used to give you a sim ON THE PLANE for this purpose. Smart marketing for Globe (the carrier) for sure.
I pay about $50 US and get 40 gigs of data, then remove the card when I get back to the usa.
This is incredibly convenient because I can walk up to any vendor in the airport, shopping mall or street corner shop, immediately get service and then pop my own network sim back in when I am taxiing back on the runway in the USA.
Middle of nowhere and travel? Good freaking luck in getting a fancy eSIM in a developing nation.
I want the "dynamic island" and I want to have that new camera, but I also want to have the phone connecting without having to go through unnecessary steps.
Am I wrong in this?
edit - APPLE HAS A PAGE... Dedicated to carriers that use esim.
In my country case, both esim providers are POSTPAID.
Contract based. That sucks, and again will disqualify someone like me.
You can convert to an eSIM on an AT&T prepaid plan.I have the prepaid plan as well. So really no option to continue that plan without a SIM card? I wasn’t planning on getting a new phone this year but will have to look at plans again next summer when my prepaid plan runs out.
They absolutely did this for US carriers. They did the BS where you have to pay $30 MORE to have an unlocked regular non-pro iphone, and could only get that $699 price for mini if you got a carrier plan ($729 unlocked). Surprise, Surprise the Pro didnt have it, but most people buying unlocked I imagine would be people who buy a Pro anyways.I also wonder...
Is this an agreement apple signed with the carriers to drive folks away from MVNO's? They do not have eSim, and likely wont, but this is a way to force iPhone customers to a network that supports eSim.
Personally, I am currently using a verizon physical SIM and a mobile eSim, so I am not against big carriers since I need fast unlimited data, but this creates a pretty big rift between the have's and have nots.
In a way, this seems quite anti-competetive.
Nope, has a sim slot, says right on the Apple Canada page. Our version also doesn't have mmwave.I just saw a thread saying Canada hardware is the same as Yankee hardware
Carriers tried to tack on fees all the time in the physical SIM era. AT&T required a new SIM to activate VoLTE. In many cases (e.g. corporate discounts) it was and is easy to avoid those fees. If anything, carriers don’t like eSIM since it makes it easier to change carriers (everything can be done digitally without a trip to the store or waiting for a card to arrive in the mail).They absolutely did this for US carriers. They did the BS where you have to pay $30 MORE to have an unlocked regular non-pro iphone, and could only get that $699 price for mini if you got a carrier plan ($729 unlocked). Surprise, Surprise the Pro didnt have it, but most people buying unlocked I imagine would be people who buy a Pro anyways.
BS
I spent the entire month of July in Italy this summer. I used a local Wind SIM and paid 30 euros for 200 GB of data. For long stays when you need a lot of data something like Airalo isn't sufficient.I had an eSIM when I traveled to Italy recently with my iPhone 13 Max Pro. Really seemless. And the price seemed cheaper to me (paid $13 for a 10GB plan via Airalo). Had great service. I didn't have a local calling number, just data, but didn't need a local phone line anyway. Physical SIM cards are great, but there are good eSIM providers now. Betcha they'll be even more now.
My guess is that the MVNOs will adopt eSIMs. They won’t want to give up the iPhone market, though I‘d guess that the MVNO market is skewed toward cheaper models that still have the SIM card slot.I also wonder...
Is this an agreement apple signed with the carriers to drive folks away from MVNO's? They do not have eSim, and likely wont, but this is a way to force iPhone customers to a network that supports eSim.
Personally, I am currently using a verizon physical SIM and a mobile eSim, so I am not against big carriers since I need fast unlimited data, but this creates a pretty big rift between the have's and have nots.
In a way, this seems quite anti-competetive.
As a subscriber to two MVNOs (Fi, Visible) both have eSIM support. Mint Mobile also has eSIM support. Several other MVNOs probably have them too.Is this an agreement apple signed with the carriers to drive folks away from MVNO's? They do not have eSim, and likely wont, but this is a way to force iPhone customers to a network that supports eSim.
I agree with your point on the twisted view of the MVNOs, but the more important point the OP is twisted about is in your second paragraph.You got it all twisted here. .......
It might be mightily inconvenient in the short term but is probably for the better. The smaller carriers had been complacent with pSIMs till now but now they're strong-armed to implement eSIMs. Give it a year to two.
This. Hopefully enough of us do it that the SIM tray comes back as a US option. It's a supreme longshot, but its all we have at least until eSIM is truly universal.Buy an iPhone outside the us and you will have a SIM tray. Sucks, but its a solution.
This plus I have lines on Verizon, T-Mobile and prepaid on AT&T. I swap sims between phones all the time.There's a level of interoperability physical SIM provides that eSIM doesn't.
eSIM isn't convenient if you frequently switch between iOS and Android. I had to re-order either a physical SIM or a QR eSIM from AT&T when I got "locked" into a particular OS eSIM setup.
I use Tracfone as a prepaid plan; I don’t think I will be able to use e-sim with them. Maybe in a couple of years they will have it available. Meanwhile, I’m glad I got my iPhone 13 last year.I genuinely cannot make the switch to eSim as I’m on AT&T prepaid (until next July at least) and the process to convert is a NIGHTMARE.
I really cannot understand this at all. Do they really not think these things through when they consider their market?
High end users who travel globally, now being locked out of phones unless they are going somewhere with a carrier that does prepaid esim.
In my case, I looked up the two carriers that apple says do esim in the Philippines. both of them are POST PAID PLANS.
Suffice it to say, I am not going to be going that route and signing a contract for using my phone when I am there for 3-4 weeks.