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Bazooka-joe

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You need more than 3 days to get used to a set of headphones lol.
Yeah I know where you’re coming from but I’ve not had a problem with previous sets of headphones and I am just not sure about the durability of the mesh. I will be interested to see any earlier adopters have any issues with the mesh after a few months. As I said I’ll wait to see you have the Sport variant comes out and try that and if not I’ll go back to the Max because they do sound fantastic
 

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Yeah I know where you’re coming from but I’ve not had a problem with previous sets of headphones and I am just not sure about the durability of the mesh. I will be interested to see any earlier adopters have any issues with the mesh after a few months. As I said I’ll wait to see you have the Sport variant comes out and try that and if not I’ll go back to the Max because they do sound fantastic
The mesh is fine, are you going to stick i knife through it, they sit on your head lol, they have warranty you know and ac+ is cheap for them.

ps if there is a mesh problem you would of heard about it by now.
 

artfossil

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So mine arrived on Thursday and I’ve been using them constantly. Fantastic sound and noise cancelling and so much better than my AirPods Pro. The cushions are very comfortable on my ears and I don’t feel any clamping. No battery draining issues either....but i’m going to send them back as I’m just finding them a little too heavy and I have to take a break every 30 minutes. I don’t like the way that the cups bang together either and I am not sure about the durability of the fabric mesh. I certainly don’t want to cover them with silicon cups and put a silicon cover on the fabric mesh.

So what I’m gonna do is send them back and I’m going to wait for the AirPods Max Sport which if the suggestions from the likes of Prosser are true, will launch in a couple of months and will have exactly the same functionality but with cheaper materials and will be a third of the price cheaper and a third of the weight lighter.
If rumours about the AirPods Max Sport turn out to be untrue then I will re-order the Max and learn to cope with the weight as the sound is amazing
I’m really sorry you are finding them to be heavy. Personally I find them to be supremely comfortable. I especially like how they just rest on that strip of mesh on the top of my head. To me, their design is brilliant.
 

Paninnguaq

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Yeah I know where you’re coming from but I’ve not had a problem with previous sets of headphones and I am just not sure about the durability of the mesh. I will be interested to see any earlier adopters have any issues with the mesh after a few months. As I said I’ll wait to see you have the Sport variant comes out and try that and if not I’ll go back to the Max because they do sound fantastic
One could have formed an idea of the mesh quality even without ordering the Max. There were plenty of pictures and videos on the internet.
 

Bazooka-joe

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Funny the reasons some are finding to return, you need to come to terms and make peace with the price before ordering.
The price isn’t an issue at all and I’ve never had buyers remorse about anything.
I change my watch and my phone every year and my house is littered with Apple equipment. I spend around 3k a year on Apple equipment. Aside from the 12 Pro Max that I exchanged for a Pro....again because of the weight, this is the only Apple item that I’ve ever considered returning. Everything else from MacBooks to Macs to AirPods Pro, I have always kept and enjoyed.
I’m just struggling with the weight as they are a third heavier than my previous headphones. Yes maybe I haven’t given it enough time to get used to it but you just don’t know about these things until you buy something and our Apple stores in the UK are closed at the moment so we don’t get the opportunity to go in and try new Apple products before purchasing.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Yeah I know where you’re coming from but I’ve not had a problem with previous sets of headphones and I am just not sure about the durability of the mesh. I will be interested to see any earlier adopters have any issues with the mesh after a few months. As I said I’ll wait to see you have the Sport variant comes out and try that and if not I’ll go back to the Max because they do sound fantastic
I’ve seen a few people question the durability of the earphone mesh now and at £69 to replace, that’s a hell of a service charge for a consumable. If the mesh on the headband is damaged, then it’s a different story. A couple of reviews I saw questioned this but I haven’t seen any reports it’s failed, yet. The rumoured sport variant sounds quite cool, especially if it’s inline cost wise with headphones of comparable performance. Prosser has got quite a bit wrong of late but I hope he is right on this one.
 
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Bazooka-joe

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I’ve seen a few people question the durability of the earphone mesh now and at £69 to replace, that’s a hell of a service charge for a consumable. If the mesh on the headband is damaged, then it’s a different story. A couple of reviews I saw questioned this but I haven’t seen any reports it’s failed, yet. The rumoured sport variant sounds quite cool, especially if it’s inline cost wise with headphones of comparable performance. Prosser has got quite a bit wrong of late but I hope he is right on this one.
There are a couple of reports on the Internet on sites such as iMore where there is some nervousness about the durability of the mesh as they say it’s so thin.. I’m sure it’s absolutely fine and i’m sure the Apple have tested it very thoroughly. But even though the mesh only rests on your head it does move and may be subject to wear and tear. The headphones have only been out for a few weeks so I’m sure we’ll know more about the durability of the mesh in a few months time.
That wasn’t a showstopper for me. It was the weight more than anything and maybe I’ve punked out a bit by not giving it more time to get used to it but that’s my bad.
I’m going to try the sport variant and I may yet come back to the max but if the functionality and sound quality of the sport is as good as the max and then I’ll stick with the sport.
 
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There are a couple of reports on the Internet on sites such as iMore where there is some nervousness about the durability of the mesh as they say it’s so thin.. I’m sure it’s absolutely fine and i’m sure the Apple have tested it very thoroughly. But even though the mesh only rests on your head it does move and may be subject to wear and tear. The headphones have only been out for a few weeks so I’m sure we’ll know more about the durability of the mesh in a few months time.
That wasn’t a showstopper for me. It was the weight more than anything and maybe I’ve punked out a bit by not giving it more time to get used to it but that’s my bad.
I’m going to try the sport variant and I may yet come back to the max but if the functionality and sound quality of the sport is as good as the max and then I’ll stick with the sport.
A few weeks? It will be 2 months next week LOL
Just get Apple Care + and you’ll have accidental damage coverage.
 

artfossil

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A few weeks? It will be 2 months next week LOL
Just get Apple Care + and you’ll have accidental damage coverage.
Exactly.
And, the APM mesh appears quite durable. I can't imagine damaging it unless one were to deliberately take a knife or scissors to it.
In any event, $59 bought me peace of mind against cats and other headphone attacks for two years.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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There are a couple of reports on the Internet on sites such as iMore where there is some nervousness about the durability of the mesh as they say it’s so thin.. I’m sure it’s absolutely fine and i’m sure the Apple have tested it very thoroughly. But even though the mesh only rests on your head it does move and may be subject to wear and tear. The headphones have only been out for a few weeks so I’m sure we’ll know more about the durability of the mesh in a few months time.
That wasn’t a showstopper for me. It was the weight more than anything and maybe I’ve punked out a bit by not giving it more time to get used to it but that’s my bad.
I’m going to try the sport variant and I may yet come back to the max but if the functionality and sound quality of the sport is as good as the max and then I’ll stick with the sport.
I think concerns about durability is valid if you think it may be an issue over time. The headband of any headphone is then place most people grab and carry them by. It’s marketed as the carry handle by Apple too so I’d hope it is durable to be honest. The weight is something nobody can disagree with though. You can’t get a sense of weight via a YouTube video and need to try them out as you have. I was surprised when they were released that Apple chose aluminium cups as this is 30% heavier than commonly used plastics in electronics. A couple of reviews have mentioned the weight too. Let’s hope if Apple release a sport model as rumoured, they use a lighter material.
 
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Bazooka-joe

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I think concerns about durability is valid if you think it may be an issue over time. The headband of any headphone is then place most people grab and carry them by. It’s marketed as the carry handle by Apple too so I’d hope it is durable to be honest. The weight is something nobody can disagree with though. You can’t get a sense of weight via a YouTube video and need to try them out as you have. I was surprised when they were released that Apple chose aluminium cups as this is 30% heavier than commonly used plastics in electronics. A couple of reviews have mentioned the weight too. Let’s hope if Apple release a sport model as rumoured, they use a lighter material.
Yeah you’re absolutely right and a lot of the YouTube reviews said that they’re heavy out of the box. So I was aware of that but as you say you don’t really know until you try them and yeah okay I haven’t tried them for long and maybe not long enough but by returning them within the two week return window will give me an opportunity to try the sport model as they are rumoured to be just a couple of months away and if the sound isn’t as good as the Max then I shall return to the Max and persevere with the weight.
 
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artfossil

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I think concerns about durability is valid if you think it may be an issue over time. The headband of any headphone is then place most people grab and carry them by. It’s marketed as the carry handle by Apple too so I’d hope it is durable to be honest. The weight is something nobody can disagree with though. You can’t get a sense of weight via a YouTube video and need to try them out as you have. I was surprised when they were released that Apple chose aluminium cups as this is 30% heavier than commonly used plastics in electronics. A couple of reviews have mentioned the weight too. Let’s hope if Apple release a sport model as rumoured, they use a lighter material.
Except that when you grab the APM headband, you are grabbing polyurethane-wrapped stainless steel, not the mesh.

Users will have to make their own judgments about weight of the APM. For me, the tactile satisfaction of the premium materials and design is ALMOST as satisfying as the superb sound. And again, for me, the way the APM balance on one's head, with just the mesh making contact, makes the weight a non-factor.

I've been in bliss with headphones since the day I got them. But really, those interested need to try them for themselves. "Wearables" like this need to be worn to see if they will work for you.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Except that when you grab the APM headband, you are grabbing polyurethane-wrapped stainless steel, not the mesh.

Users will have to make their own judgments about weight of the APM. For me, the tactile satisfaction of the premium materials and design is ALMOST as satisfying as the superb sound. And again, for me, the way the APM balance on one's head, with just the mesh making contact, makes the weight a non-factor.

I've been in bliss with headphones since the day I got them. But really, those interested need to try them for themselves. "Wearables" like this need to be worn to see if they will work for you.
With any product I think the most important thing is the person who buys it is happy with it. You seem to have 100% satisfaction with these and that’s fantastic. We are a fussy species though and never assume our impressions are identical. It’s the same reason I suppose not everybody buys the exact same model of iPhone. Some features, aspects about the product are just more or less important depending on the person. It’s all good though :)
 

Mikeeee

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For people struggling with the weight you might want to consider some weight lifting. Seriously, I’m reading people complain about the Max being soooo heavy they have problems getting up and moving around, and I find it surprising. I’m experiencing none of this. I can only think strengthening exercises might be important for these people. Don’t @ me.


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The-Real-Deal82

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For people struggling with the weight you might want to consider some weight lifting. Seriously, I’m reading people complaint about too heavy to get up and move around and I find it surprising. I’m experiencing none of this. I can only think strengthening exercises might be important for these people. Don’t @ me.


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Or lighter headphones??
 

BF1M

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Also, am I having some sort of stroke, but isn't the arrow on the diagram for crown direction going the same way no matter which you pick?

Maybe my eyes are going...
 

Mikeeee

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Or lighter headphones??

Just to be clear, the extra weight is the equivalent of a couple of chocolate bars ?.

I personally have a bulging disc in my neck and experience no extra discomfort. For any people suffering with a physical impediment this is not directed towards you, but if you are healthy a couple of extra chocolate bars should not be a problem. If it is start those neck exercises for your own well being.
 

artfossil

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Also, am I having some sort of stroke, but isn't the arrow on the diagram for crown direction going the same way no matter which you pick?

Maybe my eyes are going...
Nope. The default is counterclockwise but you can change it to clockwise.
 
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