Other All These People Said They Had Adapters Already...

[deeddawg]

If anyone has EarPods unused I want them lol. Los Angeles area! I need them for zoom calls. Mine are all lightning EarPods. I need 3.5 mm EarPods. Dammit.
I wish I had the too many headphone problem like many of you claims. Jeeez I can’t find any in my house. I have a ton of usb chargers through.

Amazon should be able to get them to you very quickly.

Apple EarPods Headphones with 3.5mm Plug, Wired Ear Buds with Built-in Remote to Control Music, Phone Calls, and Volume

Unlike traditional, circular earbuds, the design of the EarPods is defined by the geometry of the ear. Which makes them more comfortable for more people than any other earbud-style headphones. The speakers inside the EarPods have been engineered to maximize sound output and minimize sound loss, w...

www.amazon.com

 

[bradbomb]

You’re comparing batteries to a charging brick? Come on, man. Don’t be an asterisk. Maybe you don’t have parents. Were you adopted? Abused? Sure seems like it.

Take your meds. They might keep you out of jail.

I was not comparing specifically to the brick, the post I responded to specifically said all products should come with the items it needs to work and still to this day many products don’t come with batteries. Batteries will eventually cost more than a $20 power brick. A lot of TVs, Blu ray players, etc don’t include an hdmi cable either. You need an hdmi cable to use a Blu ray player.

 

[I7guy]

But, to that point, they did not only include updated headphones that would work with the Lightning port but also a separate adapter too when the change was made to remove the headphone jack to help with the transition.

Apple does have some history in disenfranchisement with these large scale changes. The removal of the headphone jack, caused issues posters claimed, with studio headphones and four square credit card readers that used the headphone jack. That seemed to be a permanent disenfranchisement.

This is a temporary, transitional stage. If one has absolutely no method for charging their Phone after the acquisition of an iPhone 12, a quick trip to almost any store... for a few bucks one can start charging their iPhone 12.

 

[C DM]

Apple does have some history in disenfranchisement with these large scale changes. The removal of the headphone jack, caused issues posters claimed, with studio headphones and four square credit card readers that used the headphone jack. That seemed to be a permanent disenfranchisement.

This is a temporary, transitional stage. If one has absolutely no method for charging their Phone after the acquisition of an iPhone 12, a quick trip to almost any store... for a few bucks one can start charging their iPhone 12.

But they did account for the transition when the headphone jack was removed (even if perhaps it didn't necessarily work the same way for a smaller number of people). They didn't quite do something like that in this case. There is a difference there, even if in the eyes of some it might not matter that much.

 

[Conutz]

This an an overall perspective.

• The number of devices that Apple sells is huge and the mountain of potential waste in unused chargers, cables, earphones and packaging is equally huge. Smartphones/devices have been around for a long time now and many people, owning multiple devices, already have multiple chargers, etc.
• We are consuming our natural resources at an incredible rate and are polluting our environment increasingly through our manufacture and by the waste we create. We do not have infinite resources, nor do we have a perfect means of disposing of our waste.
• Considering the above, a decision on whether to include these items with new devices is ripe for the making. Some people will be inconvenienced - in addition to an expensive smartphone, they will need to purchase an extra brick. Not great, but at least they have been discounted. Consider the other group now, those with existing accessories. Consider the savings all around that results by eliminating these items in the packaging. The gear effect is huge considering the iPhone sales volume - ±218m in 2018 alone. Let’s assume half of people already have accessories: that’s a saving of 109m bricks and earphones in a single year. That is huge.
• For many years now, many counties have required that plastic shopping bags are purchased. This, with the aim of discouraging waste and more responsibility on the part of the shopper. This results is less waste all around. Just look at how many people shop with their own re-usable shopping (purchased separately) - the introduction of a charge has had a positive effect (must be the anode ), making people more aware and making them more responsible. So maybe a similar approach is warranted in other parts of our lives and products we buy.

Why did Apple make the change?

• You’d probably find that Apple has been chewing on this for a while, and found this year a great time to make the change, for three reasons:
  1. 5G is expensive (amongst other items) and they needed to find an effective way to reduce overall costs.
  2. All the above points about waste, existing accessories, etc.
  3. Their environmental goals.
• The change is therefore a logical and effective solution to both problems - and it is a gift that keeps on giving with each device delivered.

For the two parties then:

• People with existing accessories: great, less of what you don’t need anyway!
• People without: it’s a bummer you have a spend a little more...don’t give them away! But, you are making a small sacrifice that helps us all - thank you.

In short then, I believe we all need to be a little more responsible about what we consume and how much waste we create. This is a good step in right direction.

 

[C DM]

• People without: it’s a bummer you have a spend a little more...don’t give them away! But, you are making a small sacrifice that helps us all - thank you.

In short then, I believe we all need to be a little more responsible about what we consume and how much waste we create. This is a good step in right direction.

It's great that Apple decided to do something and have the consumer make a sacrifice (all while they not only cut costs but can even make more money off of those who end up needing to purchase a power adapter and decide to do it through them). It's quite an easy decision to make when someone else takes the burden and you end up even benefiting from it.

 

[mebehere]

I got spanked by the mods. Have a nice thread.

 

[shadyman]

This an an overall perspective.

• The number of devices that Apple sells is huge and the mountain of potential waste in unused chargers, cables, earphones and packaging is equally huge. Smartphones/devices have been around for a long time now and many people, owning multiple devices, already have multiple chargers, etc.
• We are consuming our natural resources at an incredible rate and are polluting our environment increasingly through our manufacture and by the waste we create. We do not have infinite resources, nor do we have a perfect means of disposing of our waste.
• Considering the above, a decision on whether to include these items with new devices is ripe for the making. Some people will be inconvenienced - in addition to an expensive smartphone, they will need to purchase an extra brick. Not great, but at least they have been discounted. Consider the other group now, those with existing accessories. Consider the savings all around that results by eliminating these items in the packaging. The gear effect is huge considering the iPhone sales volume - ±218m in 2018 alone. Let’s assume half of people already have accessories: that’s a saving of 109m bricks and earphones in a single year. That is huge.
• For many years now, many counties have required that plastic shopping bags are purchased. This, with the aim of discouraging waste and more responsibility on the part of the shopper. This results is less waste all around. Just look at how many people shop with their own re-usable shopping (purchased separately) - the introduction of a charge has had a positive effect (must be the anode ), making people more aware and making them more responsible. So maybe a similar approach is warranted in other parts of our lives and products we buy.

Why did Apple make the change?

• You’d probably find that Apple has been chewing on this for a while, and found this year a great time to make the change, for three reasons:
  1. 5G is expensive (amongst other items) and they needed to find an effective way to reduce overall costs.
  2. All the above points about waste, existing accessories, etc.
  3. Their environmental goals.
• The change is therefore a logical and effective solution to both problems - and it is a gift that keeps on giving with each device delivered.

For the two parties then:

• People with existing accessories: great, less of what you don’t need anyway!
• People without: it’s a bummer you have a spend a little more...don’t give them away! But, you are making a small sacrifice that helps us all - thank you.

In short then, I believe we all need to be a little more responsible about what we consume and how much waste we create. This is a good step in right direction.

That’s quite ”contradicting“. On one side you’re mentioning the environment issues and jump to the next part about 5G being expensive. So, did Apple ditch these accessories due to environmental reasons or was it simply because of reducing their costs? 🤔

 

[Conutz]

It's great that Apple decided to do something and have the consumer make a sacrifice (all while they not only cut costs but can even make more money off of those who end up needing to purchase a power adapter and decide to do it through them). It's quite an easy decision to make when someone else takes the burden and you end up even benefiting from it.

I think we all benefit, ultimately. The volumes and effect is just that big.

That’s quite ”contradicting“. On one side you’re mentioning the environment issues and jump to the next part about 5G being expensive. So, did Apple ditch these accessories due to environmental reasons or was it simply because of reducing their costs? 🤔

Ditching helps solve both. “Two birds with one stone”.

 

[kanga1622]

Has anyone found a charging block/station that has 2 or more USB-C and at least 3 USB-A plugs on it, and isn't $100? I'm currently using some older Anker blocks, and the USB A to C adapters I have are amazingly slow.

Have you seen this one? Seems to be mentioned often in articles rating charging stations.

Satechi 7-Port USB Charging Station Dock with 2 Type-C Ports - Compatible with iPhone 12 Pro Max/12 Mini/12, 11 Pro Max/11 Pro/11, iPhone Xs Max/XS/XR/X, 8 Plus/8, 2020/2018 iPad Pro (Black)

Satechi 7-Port USB Charging Station Dock with 2 Type-C Ports - Compatible with iPhone 12 Pro Max/12 Mini/12, 11 Pro Max/11 Pro/11, iPhone Xs Max/XS/XR/X, 8 Plus/8, 2020/2018 iPad Pro (Black)

www.amazon.com

 

[C DM]

I think we all benefit, ultimately. The volumes and effect is just that big.

Ultimately we all might, but on the way there someone pays a price while someone benefits even more. Seems like those who decided to do something about it and touted themselves for doing it should take on the burden of it rather than shifting it onto someone else.

 

[JUCJ85]

Wifi sync all the way, baybeee!

My only problem is with TV Shows I've purchased/downloaded from iTunes over the years, the file sizes have gotten much bigger, while the ones I had saved on my 2TB Passport HDD I have the older files that sometimes are 100MBs less. Just hate to have to also download everything when I could simply just sync them from my laptop to my iPhone. Just seems like a pain in the neck, I know a lot use iCloud, I have the 2TB option, but I like having my data on my devices.

 

[bradbomb]

My only problem is with TV Shows I've purchased/downloaded from iTunes over the years, the file sizes have gotten much bigger, while the ones I had saved on my 2TB Passport HDD I have the older files that sometimes are 100MBs less. Just hate to have to also download everything when I could simply just sync them from my laptop to my iPhone. Just seems like a pain in the neck, I know a lot use iCloud, I have the 2TB option, but I like having my data on my devices.

You can still sync them from your laptop to your iPhone. Do you have an older Lightning to USB-A cable? That should still work to sync to a laptop that has USB-A and not USB-C. Also, you may want to re-download them anyways as some movies and tv shows updated their files with new resolutions when the iTunes store started offering 4k

 

[deeddawg]

You can still sync them from your laptop to your iPhone. Do you have an older Lightning to USB-A cable? That should still work to sync to a laptop that has USB-A and not USB-C. Also, you may want to re-download them anyways as some movies and tv shows updated their files with new resolutions when the iTunes store started offering 4k

iTunes also still syncs with phone over WiFi once you’ve set it up with a wired connection

 

[Abazigal]

Ultimately we all might, but on the way there someone pays a price while someone benefits even more. Seems like those who decided to do something about it and touted themselves for doing it should take on the burden of it rather than shifting it onto someone else.

I understand that mentality.

 

[C DM]

I understand that mentality.

Seems like that might be in relation to something else.

 

[I7guy]

But they did account for the transition when the headphone jack was removed (even if perhaps it didn't necessarily work the same way for a smaller number of people). They didn't quite do something like that in this case. There is a difference there, even if in the eyes of some it might not matter that much.

Seems the $19 price of the 20w charger, is an Apple bargain. Reducing the price of the EarPods is something else...even if nothing was included in the box.

 

[tommyboy9996]

I understand their stance on not including the chargers but why not reduce the price minus the charger? I feel like that is only fair. I’m sure most of us that are upgrading will be buying the mag charger.

 

[QueenTyrone]

I understand their stance on not including the chargers but why not reduce the price minus the charger? I feel like that is only fair. I’m sure most of us that are upgrading will be buying the mag charger.

256/512 are 50 cheaper. Base is 128 instead of 64 for 999/1099 it is cheaper

 

[edhchoe]

So I received Anker PowerPort III nano USB-C charger today. Purchased for $15.99 during Prime Day.
It is smaller than Apple's so it will not take up extra room on my power strip.

 

[C DM]

Seems the $19 price of the 20w charger, is an Apple bargain. Reducing the price of the EarPods is something else...even if nothing was included in the box.

A bargain that is still an extra cost to the consumer for something that has always been included, and at the same time not only savings for Apple but also also extra profit on top of that.

 

[I7guy]

A bargain that is still an extra cost to the consumer for something that has always been included, and at the same time not only savings for Apple but also also extra profit on top of that.

Maybe you're right about the extra cost to whomever the universe of consumers are that will need an adapter/headphones or both upon purchase of an iphone 12. Shifting the burden to the consumer from the environment is what Apple did.

The alleged extra profit is coming from where? Did Apple make extra profit by eliminating the headphone jack? Was the extra profit the result of reduced manufacturing costs or the purchase of adapters, or the move "forced" apple customers to now buy airpods.

And one can also argue, since the base memory increased to 128 the consumer is getting back more their money.

 

[Illini Al]

Apple exists for ONE and only one purpose -- to make as much money for their shareholders as possible. They're doing what they believe they need to do to increase share, sales, and profits. If they believe they're losing too many sales over not including the AC adapter, they will somehow attempt to win those customers back. I'm guessing there will be virtually no one who refuses to buy the iPhone over this specific reason. Therefore, they accomplish their goal.
And by the way, if their environmental statement on this issue helps bring them new customers, then that's even better.

 

[shadyman]

256/512 are 50 cheaper. Base is 128 instead of 64 for 999/1099 it is cheaper

The fact that Apple sold 64 GB in 2019 is just ridiculous. Y’all can’t tell anyone that move was appropriate in 2019.

Also, how much does it cost to implement 128?

 

[mrklaw]

1) Stand on a roof made of solar panels, talk about being carbon neutral and the mountain of e-waste.
2) point out the billions of USB chargers we all have lying around in drawers.
3) Explain this is why you won’t be including a charger - saves waste, saves shipping cost and related carbon emissions..
4) include a charging cable which doesn’t connect to the billions of USB chargers you mentioned in (2)

Honestly if they’d not included a charging cable, or included a USB-A to lightning cable I’d have been totally onboard with their environmental pitch.