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1. Why is the buyer more important than yourself? Are you saying you can't sell an iPhone without a charger, a Lightning cable and EarPods in the US? No-one will buy it?
2. That is something you have decided for you. Do you only have one USB-A or USB-C charger and only one Lightning cable? I have one USB-A charger (came with an iPad) and one USB-A to Lightning cable which charges two iPads and one iPhone. Which means I have two iPad chargers and one iPhone charger I don't use. You don't have any USB-A charger you can reuse or you can share with another device? Now, maybe you are one of the unlocking ones only having one charger and one lightning cable, yes, then you must buy a charger.
But think about next year. In 2021 you don't have to buy a new charger since you can reuse the charger you bought this year. And when you sell the iPhone 12, the buyer will not expect it to come with a charger since it never did. And every year going forward you can continue to use your charger with a continuing stream of new devices, whether they be iPhones or other devices.
No, the power adapter and lightning cable belongs to you right up until the point when you give it away.
Point being you have a charging solution in your hands - and it is your choice whether you force yourself to buy a new charging solution or tell the recipient of the iphone11 that they need to go buy a charging solution.
1. Without accessories, I have to sell at a reduced price.
2. Why would I buy an additional cable or charger if it came with one in the past? iPhone 11 has great battery life. I only need to charge it once a day.
You solution boils down to: spend money to buy some that should come with the device in the first place.
This is the crux of many people's differing views.
What should-be vs what-is.
Other than because that's how it's been or because some people might have to buy something, I'm not seeing any explanation of why it should be.
Lots of stuff requiring charging up - and some rather expensive stuff at that - doesn't come with a power adapter.
Why should a phone be one way or the other in today's world where USBA & Lightning are nearly ubiquitous, and USBC is increasingly commonplace?
Your solution results in a lower selling price for my iPhone 11. Or course I can keep the adapter. Or buy a new one. Both "solutions" cost money.
Apple passed down a problem and some of you guys are eating it with a grin.
This is not about the cost of a $20 adapter. It's about greed. If it's so cheap, then why doesn't Apple include it? Or at least include a voucher? If I have an existing power adapter, why should I subsidize Apple from my existing collection of adapters?
How do you know it results in a lower selling price? Have you actually experienced this in the past? In terms of the used market, price has always been subjective anyways. I have seen better cared for iPhones go for less than they should, and iPhones that have too much wear and tear go for quite a bit.
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That's the three most recent listings on eBay right now for iPhone 11 Pro (or Max). None including a charger or cable.
I don’t peruse that forum often, I will have a look. I have an Aukey 36W double USB-C brick.
I also have a couple of others that work too, although I didn’t do the actual speed test with those I haven’t noticed it being slow.
An iPhone cannot be used without a charger. So it is a mandatory item, not a nice to have. An iPhone sold without a charger is not a complete product.
It is like selling a car without tyres, because your old car has tyres that you can use.
All electric devices that I own, come with a charger.
I'm still on the fence about it. Part of me is upset with the type of cable Apple gave us. LTNG to USB-C is fine, but it's the cheaper one that will fray in a few months to a year.
Another part of me IS in the category that has a drawer full of adaptors from the iPod Classic all the way up to the last few iPhones we own (x3). Because of distance learning, we have about 3 more from the iPads our kids use.
Lastly, I have a bunch of USB-C adaptors and cables from Apple and IKEA and a wireless charger or four from IKEA.
I know some are mad, but I do still agree with Apple's choice. Just wish it was the braided version, or if the phone was $80-100 cheaper since the cable, adaptor, and headphones normally cost about that much.
Another part of me IS in the category that has a drawer full of adaptors from the iPod Classic all the way up to the last few iPhones we own (x3). Because of distance learning, we have about 3 more from the iPads our kids use.
Lastly, I have a bunch of USB-C adaptors and cables from Apple and IKEA and a wireless charger or four from IKEA.
I know some are mad, but I do still agree with Apple's choice. Just wish it was the braided version, or if the phone was $80-100 cheaper since the cable, adaptor, and headphones normally cost about that much.
It's a done deal. Now other vendors will likely follow suit and the world will adjust and everyone will start to ratchet down the entitlement.
They should include usb-c brick charger, i have ton of samsung/apple brick chargers but there is only one that has usb-c port...
They know their vast majority of iPhone users still have older iPhone with usb-a to lightning brick chargers
Like me who still own first gen SE, i have to buy new brick charger (the samsung usb-c isnt really mine)
Still 25 bucks to spend
Their choice is: making more profit ''buy our MagSafe charger'' (that doesnt even include brick charger)
They would push wireless charging at any cost because of MagSafe
As others have mentioned, it should be included because the power adapter is required for charging the device.
You can always punch down and say, well device X doesn't include an adapter. Is that really the standard Apple follows?
Not new here. The complaints would have been only 5w, which has been common on previous generations. I normally use my 18w charger, or my 7.5w Samsung wireless charging stand (for overnight)
We’ve already done the car analogy - it fails because virtually nobody has spare wheels and tires of the correct size, and they’re exceptionally expensive.
Contrast to an iphone12. Charges from anyone’s existing Lightning cables and power adapters. Charges from anyone’s existing Qi pads. Even my four year old pickup came with a Qi pad in it. Cars are coming with USBC ports now and have come with USBA for years.
Yet even with all that, there will be the random person who absolutely has no existing charging capability - and the solution is right down the street at your nearest store - and costs little. Or go on eBay or to OWC and buy OEM for low prices
I find it had to believe you truly own no electric devices that didn’t come with a power adapter. Tons of stuff comes without since USBA is so ubiquitous. Each year even more will come that way. GoPros, Garmin watches, Apple Watches, Bluetooth headphones including expensive ones (Aftershokz Aeropex).
Better buckle up, this is likely the start of a trend.
Exactly. Your existing Lighting cable and USBA brick will work just fine on an iphone12. Same for everyone else except those folks who literally possess just one single Lightning cable and power adapter and feel they must include them when selling on eBay or whatnot...
I’ve not quite figured out the true point of MagSafe yet, but I‘ve been using Qi changing for years - and the 12 will work with those pads just fine too. EDIT: mostly...
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Noooo ...... that never happens here in the forums!
No, there is a limit to what each device will accept. On top of that each power adapter has a particular set of voltage and amperage outputs, not all of which work with every device. It’s all in the fine print and adds even more complexity regarding which power adapter to get for what device. Welcome to the world of multiple standards in electronic devices. ENJOY!!!I don't need any more chargers thank you.
I have way too many: 29W Apple Macbook Retina, 61W Apple Macbook Pro, 81W Apple Macbook Pro, 100W Apple Macbook Pro 16".
Will the 100W charge 5 times faster than the 20 W ?
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Bet you buy the 20W Apple power adapter if you have the MagSafe charger. Betcha
And you thought you didn’t need another power adapter, let that be a lesson to you, Apple get that last few bucks from your wallet!
Oh and by the way, they are not chargers. They are transformer/rectifiers (power adapters). The actual charger is built into the phone. Just sayin......
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Well because you are helping increase my Apple stock price, if you buy more stuff from Apple, that’s why. Thank you
I was just saying this elsewhere on the forum. I really don't get the point of MagSafe. I guess it's a good idea and another accessory "ecosystem" for Apple. Maybe we just need to wait for more third party manufacturers to come up with ideas.
I am happy for you that you will like to enjoy weak old chargers instead of the latest Apple chargers. But new flagship phones have different ”wheel sizes“ as they can support more wattages.
The iPhone 11 Pro Max charger for example is much more powerful than the charger of older iPhones.
Not really sure of your point?
Those folks who truly want higher charging rate can readily get such power adapters. Those who have no use for such things needn't have to stuff them in a drawer unused.
I dislike single port power adapters. They waste power outlets for no good reason. Multiport power adapters are so much nicer for setting up desktop or side-counter charge points. Here are a couple good ones I've owned these for a while now.
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I typically charge overnight or while doing other stuff and my 7.5W Qi pads work great. I expect the same will work fine with a 12Pro given the 10.78Wh battery is only 6% greater than my XS's 10.13Wh battery.
Perhaps if I was one of those folks who can never remember to charge my phone until it's out of juice and I need to use it then perhaps I might need something different than my "weak old chargers" ... but that's simply not been a scenario I've put myself info.
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Old Lightning cables will also charge the new phones just fine, so perhaps it's just not a big deal to a lot of people.
The EU's common charger legislation is about exactly what Apple is doing, untying the charger from the device. The purpose of this legislation is to reduce e-waste and make sure that all chargers works with all kinds of electronics. And the only way to reduce e-waste without reducing the number of devices is to produce fewer chargers than devices.
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If a family has 20 devices they need to charge, they should not get 20 chargers. Maybe they can get away with 10.
When I travel I can travel with one charger which will charge a MacBook, an iPhone, an iPad, an Apple Watch, an Apple Battery Case, a power bank and even the remote controller for a drone. I don't need 7 chargers.
Also chargers usually has much longer lifetime than devices themselves. You can buy a charger today and probably use it for 10 years if not more. So instead of getting a charger for every device maybe you can get one for every third device you own.