Other All These People Said They Had Adapters Already...

[hans1972]

It’s about profit not the environment. They just say that so people will go along with it. Some people are willing to pay more if they think it “helps.”
In reality now someone is going to have to take one off of the shelf and buy it. That one is wrapped in packaging and had to be shipped. Not everyone wants or knows about or cares about aftermarket chargers.

Apple ships 200 million iPhones each year. That's 2 billions for the next decade. iPhone users will not need to buy 2 billion chargers the next 10 years.

If you buy a charger today, you can still use it for your next 2-4 iPhones and now people are not expected to get a charger when you sell it or hand it down, since Apple no longer includes a charger.

 

[C. Robert]

People on macrumors will probably have a way of charging the phone. It doesn't change the fact that millions of people with old iPhones or buying their first iPhone, need a way of charging it. That isn't provided in the box. Example: My mother in law has a iPhone 6 and an iPad for a computer. If I bought her a new iPhone, I would also have to buy her a plug, if I bought her a MagSafe, I would have to buy her a plug. If it is just carbon foot print for apple, then put a flat gift card with enough money to buy a plug for people who need one. If you don't need one then buy something else from apple. Carbon footprint saved and everyone is happy.

 

[jdb8167]

People on macrumors will probably have a way of charging the phone. It doesn't change the fact that millions of people with old iPhones or buying their first iPhone, need a way of charging it. That isn't provided in the box. Example: My mother in law has a iPhone 6 and an iPad for a computer. If I bought her a new iPhone, I would also have to buy her a plug, if I bought her a MagSafe, I would have to buy her a plug. If it is just carbon foot print for apple, then put a flat gift card with enough money to buy a plug for people who need one. If you don't need one then buy something else from apple. Carbon footprint saved and everyone is happy.

Why can’t she just use the charger and cable that came with the iPhone 6?

 

[bransoj]

Why can’t she just use the charger and cable that came with the iPhone 6?

Or the quicker charging plug from the iPad as she has one of those as well it seems.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It will increase the likelihood that those who needs to buy a charger will buy an USB-C charger. Apple doesn't want customers to be buying USB-A chargers anymore.

Also this cable can be used with a Mac, many PCs, some iPad chargers, most new Macbook chargers and other USB-C chargers.

I think Apple have ensured users will be using USB-A chargers for some time now by encouraging users to recycle older chargers. The introduction of wireless charging however has pushed business away to third parties anyway.

 

[C. Robert]

Why can’t she just use the charger and cable that came with the iPhone 6?

Its a USB-c to lightning and she has a usb to lightning. The thing is that they needed to include a complete charging system if they want to sell something that needs to be plugged in

 

[deeddawg]

Example: My mother in law has a iPhone 6 and an iPad for a computer. If I bought her a new iPhone, I would also have to buy her a plug, if I bought her a MagSafe, I would have to buy her a plug. If it is just carbon foot print for apple, then put a flat gift card with enough money to buy a plug for people who need one. If you don't need one then buy something else from apple. Carbon footprint saved and everyone is happy.

No, you wouldn't have to buy a plug. She could simply use the Lightning cable that charges her ipad.

... and this is assuming you take away her existing cord&brick when you resell the iphone6 - which isn't really required given the phone's age, and often isn't necessary when trading in.

 

[deeddawg]

Its a USB-c to lightning and she has a usb to lightning.

Bingo. She's already set.

The thing is that they needed to include a complete charging system if they want to sell something that needs to be plugged in

There are various scenarios where this doesn't occur. Go buy a clothes washer/dryer set - doesn't come complete with the stuff to "plug it in".

In the electronics world we're seeing various companies move in this direction as well. GoPro doesn't include a power adapter with the Hero9. Garmin doesn't provide a power adapter with the Fenix6. Aftershokz doesn't include a power adapter with the Aeropex headphones. Various powerbanks don't include power adapters. Plenty of examples if you look around.

... and now Apple is moving in this direction with the phones. While Samsung might mock this now, in a year or two I'd bet they'll follow.

IMHO it's high time to begin separating devices from power adaptation. USBA is nearly ubiquitous. Lightning is nearly so. USBC is becoming increasingly common. For the few people caught out without any existing Lightning charging ability, the solution is inexpensive and as near as the closest convenience/grocery/drug store.

 

[C. Robert]

Bingo. She's already set.



There are various scenarios where this doesn't occur. Go buy a clothes washer/dryer set - doesn't come complete with the stuff to "plug it in".

In the electronics world we're seeing various companies move in this direction as well. GoPro doesn't include a power adapter with the Hero9. Garmin doesn't provide a power adapter with the Fenix6. Aftershokz doesn't include a power adapter with the Aeropex headphones. Various powerbanks don't include power adapters. Plenty of examples if you look around.

... and now Apple is moving in this direction with the phones. While Samsung might mock this now, in a year or two I'd bet they'll follow.

IMHO it's high time to begin separating devices from power adaptation. USBA is nearly ubiquitous. Lightning is nearly so. USBC is becoming increasingly common. For the few people caught out without any existing Lightning charging ability, the solution is inexpensive and as near as the closest convenience/grocery/drug store.

You need to read and digest.
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No, you wouldn't have to buy a plug. She could simply use the Lightning cable that charges her ipad.

... and this is assuming you take away her existing cord&brick when you resell the iphone6 - which isn't really required given the phone's age, and often isn't necessary when trading in.

Her iPad uses lightning

 

[JPack]

1. You don't have to include the adapter if you sell.
2. The 5W USB-A charger will still charge an iPhone 12.

Or, you can just buy a new charger and you kan keep that for 10 years during multiple iPhones.

1. Why should I shortchange the buyer of my iPhone?
2. My work has a 5W USB-A adapter. It no longer works with the USB-C/Lightning cable included with iPhone 12.

 

[jbachandouris]

You need to read and digest.
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Her iPad uses lightning

The iPhone 12 has a lightning port. The charger from her iPad will work just fine.

 

[deeddawg]

You need to read and digest.
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Her iPad uses lightning

So does the iPhone 12. Plug the phone into that iPad Lightning cable. Easy Peasy.

Maybe you should do some more reading and digesting before instructing others to do so?

 

[deeddawg]

1. Why should I shortchange the buyer of my iPhone?
2. My work has a 5W USB-A adapter. It no longer works with the USB-C/Lightning cable included with iPhone 12.

Yet it'll work with any Lightning/USBA cable - which are easily and inexpensively obtained in the event that you truly have no other Lightning cables at your disposal.

One might be salty that Apple no longer includes stuff that's practically ubiquitous for much of the customer base, or that the include a forward looking cable ahead of folks moving towards USBC, but this is NOT a difficult problem to solve when the solution is sitting on the shelf at virtually any convenience/drug/grocery store.

Edit - remember too that macbooks for years have had USBC, and the port is on at least some current Lenovo and HP systems today.

 

[HEK]

People are getting all confused because of the included cable. Apple should not have included the cable. My prediction is Apple will not supply cable or power adapter on iPhone 13. Issue resolved. Since I own stock and am a good capitalist I applaud Apple decision as makes me more money.

 

[jbachandouris]

I did notice a cart with the 20W adapters on it outside the store where they line up for store pickup.

Since I already have the charger and cable from the 11 Pro Max (USB A), I'm good. I also have an iPad Pro 11" (2020), so that has the power brick I need for the included cable.

 

[deeddawg]

People are getting all confused because of the included cable. Apple should not have included the cable. My prediction is Apple will not supply cable or power adapter on iPhone 13. Issue resolved. Since I own stock and am a good capitalist I applaud Apple decision as makes me more money.

Honestly, I think there's be people complaining regardless of which path Apple were to take...

 

[rawCpoppa]

Honestly, I think there's be people complaining regardless of which path Apple were to take...

The sad part is there would be people complaining about the complaints.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

People are getting all confused because of the included cable. Apple should not have included the cable. My prediction is Apple will not supply cable or power adapter on iPhone 13. Issue resolved. Since I own stock and am a good capitalist I applaud Apple decision as makes me more money.

It also encourages iPhone owners to use third party companies to buy USB-C plugs too. I’ve noticed the Anker and Belkin plugs are top sellers on Amazon right now.

 

[I7guy]

Good for the company, not so good for the consumers. Will it really affect things overall on the scale that they are? Unlikely. Does that change the part that it's still not that good for consumers (even if some might not really care about it)? Not really.

The headphone jack wasn't good for consumers. The switch to cds from cassette wasn't good for consumers. The switch to unleaded fuel from leaded fuel wasn't good for consumers. There are other examples of "anti-consumer" moves that could be seen to be "not good for consumers." Sometimes things need to be done for the greater-good, even if one or more people are inconvenienced by it or suffer some financial harm.(which could be defined as $.01 or more)

 

[edhchoe]

Its a USB-c to lightning and she has a usb to lightning. The thing is that they needed to include a complete charging system if they want to sell something that needs to be plugged in

I agree.
It is not right for Apple to leave it to you to explain to your mother in law why the charger is missing from the gifted iPhone box.
You are a good son in law and Apple should not create this kind of awkward situations for good people.

 

[hans1972]

1. Why should I shortchange the buyer of my iPhone?
2. My work has a 5W USB-A adapter. It no longer works with the USB-C/Lightning cable included with iPhone 12.

1. Because apparently you need every charger you have, since you don't want to buy any new chargers. Also know, that Apple has changed the paradigm, less and less customers will expect to get a charger when they buy a used phone.
2. It will work with your existing USB-A to lightning cable which you use to charge your current iPhone.

 

[deeddawg]

The sad part is there would be people complaining about the complaints.

This is MacRumors. It's what we do.

(and is it time to start complaining about the forum update? asking for a friend... )

 

[deeddawg]

The headphone jack wasn't good for consumers. The switch to cds from cassette wasn't good for consumers. The switch to unleaded fuel from leaded fuel wasn't good for consumers. There are other examples of "anti-consumer" moves that could be seen to be "not good for consumers." Sometimes things need to be done for the greater-good, even if one or more people are inconvenienced by it or suffer some financial harm.(which could be defined as $.01 or more)

You forgot -- eliminating optical drives...

 

[edhchoe]

1. Because apparently you need every charger you have, since you don't want to buy any new chargers. Also know, that Apple has changed the paradigm, less and less customers will expect to get a charger when they buy a used phone.
2. It will work with your existing USB-A to lightning cable which you use to charge your current iPhone.

Less and less would need ok if the price went down as well. Is it cheaper than last year's price?

I looked it up and iPhone 11 started at $699.
Economy growth is projected to be negative this year due to Corona so I don't expect inflation.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The headphone jack wasn't good for consumers. The switch to cds from cassette wasn't good for consumers. The switch to unleaded fuel from leaded fuel wasn't good for consumers. There are other examples of "anti-consumer" moves that could be seen to be "not good for consumers." Sometimes things need to be done for the greater-good, even if one or more people are inconvenienced by it or suffer some financial harm.(which could be defined as $.01 or more)

The difference with some of those historical changes though is the switches were done due to being replaced with superior technology. Leaving a charger out is for totally different reasons as is leaving out headphones. Neither have been replaced with superior technology and the reasons were purely financial with a bit of environmental marketing spin.

One major advantage of this which I hadn’t considered before is Apple are promoting third party companies as these are now benefitting from sales of cables, chargers and headphones. Not sure that was Apples aim but it appears to be playing out like that.