Other All These People Said They Had Adapters Already...

[C DM]

Are you just rewording what I said? Because that's just a different way of saying the same thing.

Not quite given that what was said earlier didn't mention anything about consumers losing out in the process.

That's kind of irrelevant when the whole point is to continue using the ones that everyone has.

Which isn't consistent with a brand new and different cable now being included that doesn't work with those power adapters that everyone supposedly has.

 

[edhchoe]

Then don’t use that cable?
I’m you still have a charging brick with usb-a, and a usb-a to lighting cable. THIS IS ALL YOU NEED.

Correct. But do not tell me Apple did it for the environment.
This was genius business move but a **** move in terms of customer service.
When unpackaging a smartphone or any product, when do you see a company include a part that the consumer probably cannot use without buying another product? I paid for the cable I cannot use now. They made me pay for it and I would have to spend more money to be able to use it.
Don't tell me it was free.

 

[jr866gooner]

I think people are in the same boat as myself. I'll be returning to ios since the iphone 7 days. So I would have expected apple to maybe provide an online code in the phone box or maybe another means of obtaining a plug.

Its great we have a cable bit in my case I've got my old 5w plug so the cable is redundant lol

 

[eatrains]

Not quite given that what was said earlier didn't mention anything about consumers losing out in the process.

Which isn't consistent with a brand new and different cable now being included that doesn't work with those power adapters that everyone supposedly has.

Everyone already has cables for their power adapters too.

 

[Cookie18]

Not quite given that what was said earlier didn't mention anything about consumers losing out in the process.

Which isn't consistent with a brand new and different cable now being included that doesn't work with those power adapters that everyone supposedly has.

Do you think those bricks came on their own or something? Each brick came with a cable. If people have bricks then they have cables too.

 

[edhchoe]

Do you think those bricks came on their own or something? Each brick came with a cable. If people have bricks then they have cables too.

Are you denying that the cable neck breaks after repeated use while the bricks never die?

 

[Cookie18]

Are you denying that the cable neck breaks after repeated use while the bricks never die?

Have I alluded to that even once or are you just clutching at straws now? It’s pretty well known that Apple typically replaces broken cables and bricks for free.

I guess there’s not much point actually discussing this with you people. You’re only interested in whining about it

 

[edhchoe]

Have I alluded to that even once or are you just clutching at straws now? It’s pretty well known that Apple typically replaces broken cables and bricks for free.

I guess there’s not much point actually discussing this with you people. You’re only interested in whining about it

Millions of people with no way of utilizing the new cable that came with the phone are paying for the cable. If it was an option not to buy it, imagine how many would opt out.
Apple forced everyone to pay for it while killing the earth. 😂😂

Give me $19 back. And I will agree with you.

 

[C DM]

Everyone already has cables for their power adapters too.

Do you think those bricks came on their own or something? Each brick came with a cable. If people have bricks then they have cables too.

Then what's the reasoning to include USB-C cables almost randomly? The point is that there's disconnect in logic there.

 

[C DM]

I guess there’s not much point actually discussing this with you people. You’re only interested in whining about it

It seems somewhat strange that some consumers would find it odd that other consumers might not feel all that good about getting less than what they always got for what they were purchasing.

 

[itsmilo]

Funny enough I just unwrapped the cable of my AirPod Pro after nearly a year and to my surprise it was a usb-c to lightening cable 😅

 

[ani4ani]

I think the volume of people who have pre-ordered, just in the two most active threads on here also suggest that people are fine without a charger being in the box.

Maybe if it bothers people, start a poll to see who has ordered a charger with their new phones.... bet it's a very small number (apart from those upgrading to the MagSafe charger but that is different).

I think on the whole, folks are perfectly fine for it not to be in the box, just not fine for having to still pay for it [which in essence they are] and they certainly don't see what Apple is doing is as environmental as they say, given they are promoting a completely new way of charging your phone that needs an adapter the vast majority wont own and also including a cable that requires an adapter the vast majority don't own.

 

[ClarkKent35]

You can get a USB-C charging brick from Amazon for $10. That's assuming you don't have a spare cable and brick laying around after nearly a decade of them being included with every iPhone and iPad. Most people do have something. Those 2 billion charging bricks and cables have to be somewhere and they're not just in the drawers of Apple enthusiasts on MacRumors.

However, people are obviously right that Apple is making more money from this by not including them. That's just a fact no matter how much it might be. It's also a fact that these phones will be a lot greener by not including the bricks and headphones. Something can be two things at once.

I for one am fine with Apple making a little extra money if it means that the equivalent of 450,000 cars worth of emissions are not put into the atmosphere. The world needs to change and companies need to change. The way we save our planet is, in part, by companies figuring out how to profit off of saving the planet.

I don't disagree with you, but the question is how many of those 450,000 cars are put back onto the road with the purchase of a USB-C brick, their new MagSafe (which requires a usb-c brick sold separately)? That's my only issue with it as they make it seem like they are removing those emissions, which is great, but they are putting them right back into the air on the other side.

Its equivalent to me saying "I recycle my plastic at home for the environment" but when I go to work I do the opposite and go use plastic cups and plates and throw it in the river. You can't be green on one end while being the opposite of that on the other in my opinion.

I live out in California and I get questioned all the time regarding the products my company makes and if they are green for the environment. Many times I'm being asked that question by someone drinking from a styrofoam cup which always find humorous.

 

[deeddawg]

I don't have MacBook. What percentage of new iPhone buyers will have a MacBook? It is like giving Civic buyer a Tesla charging cable.

My work Lenovo has USBC.

My wife's work HP has USBC.

It's no longer the sole domain of Apple Macbooks.

 

[ani4ani]

Oh I see people like you whining all through this thread thread and other about what you think Apple should do.

I'm just trying to understand why you're expecting a major for-profit corporation to behave differently than exactly what they are, and why you have such an emotional response when those unrealistic expectations aren't met.

Feel free to link to where you've already posted that answer if you don't wish to retype it. I looked but haven't seen that post.

I think it would be reasonable, in the first instance, for Apple to just do what they always claim. The way they act is exactly the way a "for [massive]-profit" orgainsation does; they just claim to be something entirely different.

 

[deeddawg]

If they were less green on money and more green on Earth, they would offer trade in /buy back of old bricks.

Right here - doesn't specify bricks but does have a spot for cables. I imagine if you send in your stash of bricks using the prepaid shipping label they'll put them into the recycle process.

Apple Trade In

Trade in your iPhone, iPad, Mac, Watch, or any other device for credit toward a new one, or recycle it responsibly for free with Apple Trade In.

www.apple.com

They also reduced the price of the 20W USBC charger from $29 to $19 with free shipping (here in US at least).

And you don't even have to send in your old brick if you don't want to.

 

[Cookie18]

I don't disagree with you, but the question is how many of those 450,000 cars are put back onto the road with the purchase of a USB-C brick, their new MagSafe (which requires a usb-c brick sold separately)? That's my only issue with it as they make it seem like they are removing those emissions, which is great, but they are putting them right back into the air on the other side.

Its equivalent to me saying "I recycle my plastic at home for the environment" but when I go to work I do the opposite and go use plastic cups and plates and throw it in the river. You can't be green on one end while being the opposite of that on the other in my opinion.

I live out in California and I get questioned all the time regarding the products my company makes and if they are green for the environment. Many times I'm being asked that question by someone drinking from a styrofoam cup which always find humorous.

This is the kind of discussion that actually needs to be had. You’re absolutely right. I think if we look at it long term then the 450,000 car statement would, on balance, be accurate. It might not be quite that much this year as people buy a USB-C charger from Amazon but with each passing year the number of people buying bricks will go down until in 2-3 years almost nobody is buying them. So on Apple’s side they might reduce the equivalent of 450,000 cars this year but (let’s say) the equivalent of 100,000 cars might go back when those who don’t have chargers purchase them. That’s still a net positive but I would hope it will get much closer to the actual 450,000 as time goes on.

 

[deeddawg]

And yet with the removal of the power adapter they also decide to change the cable that is included that doesn't work with those older power adapters.

... thus giving you a cable you can use in the future when you wish, and meanwhile you use your old chargers with your existing Lightning cables.

When consumers change what they do in some way companies generally have a whole bunch of meetings, focus panels, presentations, etc. about it all. Seems strange that consumers should somehow not have feelings about changes a company makes, in particular when they are basically at the cost to them, and not discuss them in places that are basically set up for that sort of thing (like online discussion forums).

You seem to assume Apple didn't have focus groups and use other ways to measure consumer reaction? Why is that?

When I've been on focus panels I've had to sign an NDA, so I'd probably suggest not assuming absence of evidence of soliciting consumer input as evidence of absence of that.

 

[deeddawg]

Which other companies do you spend time defending like this? Sounds very tiring.

I'm stating facts of the world to folks who seem not to understand such matters.

Why do you assume anyone not actively agreeing with you is "defending" Apple?

Do you really perceive the world in such a binary fashion?

 

[dz5b609]

By the same logic 4G/LTE was similarly a big thing for Apple in that respect, yet when iPhone models supporting that came out accessories weren't removed.

And sure, it's a win for Apple, and perhaps some sort of a positive for the environment, but basically at the cost of the consumer -- it's kind of easy to do something if the burden of doing it is shifted on someone else (and in the process you even end up profiteering from it on top of it all).

Dude newsflash it's always at the cost of the consumer. Who do you think pays for the phones?

 

[ClarkKent35]

This is the kind of discussion that actually needs to be had. You’re absolutely right. I think if we look at it long term then the 450,000 car statement would, on balance, be accurate. It might not be quite that much this year as people buy a USB-C charger from Amazon but with each passing year the number of people buying bricks will go down until in 2-3 years almost nobody is buying them. So on Apple’s side they might reduce the equivalent of 450,000 cars this year but (let’s say) the equivalent of 100,000 cars might go back when those who don’t have chargers purchase them. That’s still a net positive but I would hope it will get much closer to the actual 450,000 as time goes on.

Yeah that's true and hopefully correct. I do think it also needs to be remembered that people are always going to want more than one of these charging bricks. I myself like to have them at several points in my house as well as a few for when I travel. Its taken many years for the usb a chargers to get to the point where people have many of them in their homes. There are a lot of people who will continue to buy more and more of the usb-c bricks as Apple has essentially phased out usb-a and with MagSafe introduced a new way to charge. People are going to want more than one MagSafe charger, which means they will most likely want several more USB-C charging bricks.

 

[ClarkKent35]

You seem to assume Apple didn't have focus groups and use other ways to measure consumer reaction? Why is that?

When I've been on focus panels I've had to sign an NDA, so I'd probably suggest not assuming absence of evidence of soliciting consumer input as evidence of absence of that.

This is also an excellent point. Apple isn't stupid. They knew there would be backlash against this the same as there was backlash against removing the headphone jack. In the end they know that while people won't really care for the decision (like myself) its not going to prevent them from buying a device. I don't like what Apple did here, but I'm not outraged over it. Big companies do stuff like this all of the time and we as the consumer can either choose to purchase it, or take our money elsewhere. Apple knows that people are still going to buy their devices in spite of this decision.

 

[minik]

I'm currently using the iPhone 11 Pro. My nightly charger is the Belkin contactless 7.5W charging mat however I still prefer to use the USB-A 5W charger. It's compact enough and I never ran down the battery at all. The 18W USB-C charger and cable are still in the box untouched. Fast charging is not something for me.

There are a lot of confusion out there and I am happy Apple keeps the Lightning port on this year iPhone models.

 

[C DM]

Dude newsflash it's always at the cost of the consumer. Who do you think pays for the phones?

Yes a generic statement like that is a given, but that's not what was being said there it's about a change where consumers are getting less than before for what is being purchased. And, you can say, sure that's what business is about. And, sure, that's fine, but then let's not try to make it out like it's really about something else and that it's really somehow all that great for the consumers and that consumers shouldn't feel a need to talk about it.

 

[C DM]

You seem to assume Apple didn't have focus groups and use other ways to measure consumer reaction? Why is that?

I didn't assume anything in relation to that in that reply. In fact if anything what I said would fit in with that in respect that if Apple spent time discussing it all why is it a surprise somehow that consumers would?